Fruits and Gifts of the Spirit

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In RCIA, the director spoke about gifts of the holy spirit. He listed seven. I didn’t write them all down, but two of them were understanding and piety.

I grew up in a charismatic background and the list he gave was not familiar to me at all. I was more familiar with the spiritual gifts mentioned at the beginning of 1 Corinthians 12.

I asked him about these and he rudely brushed me off. When I told a Catholic friend about this, she said Spiritual Gifts and gifts of the holy spirit are different? How are the two different and how do the fruits of the spirit as defined in Galatians fit into that as well?

Where does the Catholic Church stand on spiritual gifts such as tongues and prophesy and visions?
 
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III. The Gifts and Fruits of the Holy Spirit

1830 The moral life of Christians is sustained by the gifts of the Holy Spirit. These are permanent dispositions which make man docile in following the promptings of the Holy Spirit.

1831 The seven gifts of the Holy Spirit are wisdom, understanding, counsel, fortitude, knowledge, piety, and fear of the Lord. They belong in their fullness to Christ, Son of David.109 They complete and perfect the virtues of those who receive them. They make the faithful docile in readily obeying divine inspirations.

Let your good spirit lead me on a level path.110

For all who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God . . . If children, then heirs, heirs of God and fellow heirs with Christ.111

1832 The fruits of the Spirit are perfections that the Holy Spirit forms in us as the first fruits of eternal glory. the tradition of the Church lists twelve of them: "charity, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, generosity, gentleness, faithfulness, modesty, self-control, chastity."112

109 Cf. ⇒ Isa 11:1-2.

110 ⇒ PS 143:10.

111 ⇒ Rom 8:14 ⇒ 17.

112 Gal 5:22-23 (Vulg.).

From the Baltimore Catechism

Q. 700. Why do we receive the gift of Fear of the Lord?
A. We receive the gift of Fear of the Lord (Awe and Wonder of the Lord) to fill us with a dread of sin.
Q. 701. Why do we receive the gift of Piety?
A. We receive the gift of Piety (Reverence) to make us love God as a Father, and obey Him because we love Him.
Q. 702. Why do we receive the gift of Knowledge?
A. We receive the gift of Knowledge to enable us to discover the will of God in all things.
Q. 703. Why do we receive the gift of Fortitude?
A. We receive the gift of Fortitude (Courage) to strengthen us to do the will of God in all things.
Q. 704. Why do we receive the gift of Counsel?
A. We receive the gift of Counsel (Right Judgment) to warn us of the deceits of the devil, and of the dangers to salvation.
Q. 705. How is it clear that the devil could easily deceive us if the Holy Ghost did not aid us?
A. It is clear that the devil could easily deceive us if the Holy Ghost did not aid us, for just as our sins do not deprive us of our knowledge, so the devil’s sin did not deprive him of the great intelligence and power which he possessed as an angel. Moreover, his experience in the world extends over all ages and places, while ours is confined to a few years and to a limited number of places.
Q. 706. Why do we receive the gift of Understanding?
A. We receive the gift of Understanding to enable us to know more clearly the mysteries of faith.
Q. 707. Why do we receive the gift of Wisdom?
A. We receive the gift of Wisdom to give us a relish for the things of God, and to direct our whole life and all our actions to His honor and glory.
 
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saribee said:
In RCIA, the director spoke about gifts of the holy spirit. He listed seven. I didn’t write them all down, but two of them were understanding and piety.

I grew up in a charismatic background and the list he gave was not familiar to me at all. I was more familiar with the spiritual gifts mentioned at the beginning of 1 Corinthians 12.

I asked him about these and he rudely brushed me off. When I told a Catholic friend about this, she said Spiritual Gifts and gifts of the holy spirit are different? How are the two different and how do the fruits of the spirit as defined in Galatians fit into that as well?

Where does the Catholic Church stand on spiritual gifts such as tongues and prophesy and visions?
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Hey there,

According to my personal experiences there are many gifts of the Holy Spirit depending on your relationship with the good Lord. Yes there are seven listed by the church but each gift has a dozen gifts or so of its own. Btw charismatic masses are an amazing way to witness the gifts of the Holy Spirit!!!

God Bless and praise to Jesus!!
 
Non-denominationalism, as with all of Protestantism generally, depends upon the private interpretation of scripture. Thus, you see the incredibly wide variation in doctrines and beliefs that exist today. There is the true meaning of scripture, and then there is what each individual pastor thinks it is. Some are very close, but how can you know? Catholic (and Eastern Orthodox) doctrine and belief have never changed. You are now being exposed to Christian theology and practice as it was originally founded.

Do you have a copy of Catholicism for Dummies? Excellent help for all Catholics and those in RCIA. I learn something each time I read it.
 
po18guy said:
5300+ posts and no opinion? Come on!
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Ok, I’ll bite–but please do not bite back. Officially, Rome has given it’s approval to the Charismatic Renewal and many Dioceses have liaisons to oversee it, as the Church wishes it’s activities to be carried out in decent order.

Catholics have always believed in healing, prophecy, faith, discernment, and wisdom-all of which are listed in 1 Corinthians. What most people who object to the Charismatic Renewal object to is the speaking in tongues and the interpretation of tongues. It seems too sensationalistic to them or phony. So there is much controversy in this area. Many people do not like the fact that Rome has given it’s approval, or do not agree with it, or won’t even admit to it. But the fact is, it has, and there are many priests, deacons and even some Bishops and a Cardinal involved in it.

Many people do not like the raising of hands, or the obvious enthusiasm , or the lively singing, or the hand-clapping,etc. They are offended by it. Again, more controversy.

My opinion? I don’t like to tell the Holy Spirit where and where He can’t operate, and what gifts He can give and which He should withhold. I see nothing in Scripture that forbids their use, only that they should be used to build up the Church, not ourselves, and all things should be done in an orderly fashion. And if the Church has said it’s OK, within Biblical limits, than who am I to tell the Church it is wrong. I also am in no position to judge another’s relationship with the Lord. I can, however, see the fruits of the Spirit in the life of a person.

I believe in these charismatic gifts and most are accepted by most Catholics–after all, we believe God can heal, that He can use people to heal. We have an overabundance of prophets and people claiming to be prophets, and a that is accepted by most Catholics; and so forth, so I can’t see where people say the gifts are not operative today, when we have plenty of proof of that. The big hangup seems to be tongues and the style of worship, at least in this country.

So have at it.
 
CB_Catholic said:
Ok, I’ll bite–but please do not bite back. Officially, Rome has given it’s approval to the Charismatic Renewal and many Dioceses have liaisons to oversee it, as the Church wishes it’s activities to be carried out in decent order.

Catholics have always believed in healing, prophecy, faith, discernment, and wisdom-all of which are listed in 1 Corinthians. What most people who object to the Charismatic Renewal object to is the speaking in tongues and the interpretation of tongues. It seems too sensationalistic to them or phony. So there is much controversy in this area. Many people do not like the fact that Rome has given it’s approval, or do not agree with it, or won’t even admit to it. But the fact is, it has, and there are many priests, deacons and even some Bishops and a Cardinal involved in it.

Many people do not like the raising of hands, or the obvious enthusiasm , or the lively singing, or the hand-clapping,etc. They are offended by it. Again, more controversy.

My opinion? I don’t like to tell the Holy Spirit where and where He can’t operate, and what gifts He can give and which He should withhold. I see nothing in Scripture that forbids their use, only that they should be used to build up the Church, not ourselves, and all things should be done in an orderly fashion. And if the Church has said it’s OK, within Biblical limits, than who am I to tell the Church it is wrong. I also am in no position to judge another’s relationship with the Lord. I can, however, see the fruits of the Spirit in the life of a person.

I believe in these charismatic gifts and most are accepted by most Catholics–after all, we believe God can heal, that He can use people to heal. We have an overabundance of prophets and people claiming to be prophets, and a that is accepted by most Catholics; and so forth, so I can’t see where people say the gifts are not operative today, when we have plenty of proof of that. The big hangup seems to be tongues and the style of worship, at least in this country.

So have at it.
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I was trying to prod TrueLight into action, but hey, OK! The charisms we are each given. There is a parallel in the parable of the talents. We are expected to use our charisms for the building up of the Church. That is their purpose. One day, we will be asked what we did with the charism that the Holy Spirit gave to us. We do not want to reply “I was afraid, so I hid it. Here it is back” I do not want to tell Jesus, when I am sitting in the judgment seat, that I lived a very well-controlled and sober faith that I kept to myself.

Personally, I am not affiliated with the charismatic movement, but I go about every three years just for a tune-up. I can tell you that my dormant faith life simply exploded once I received the baptism in the Holy Spirit (BITHS). I was drawn to adoration of the Blessed Sacrament and to the Rosary. I have seen miracles in prayer before the Blessed Sacrament. I lost my fear of the faith. I began evangelizing. I came here.

I know of no one who has ever submitted to the BITHS that was left unaffected, or that saw no benefit. In my case, it was night and day. He prepared me for the fight of (and for) my life. He turned near fatal cancer into a blessing.

Well, you get the idea.
 
po18guy said:
…Personally, I am not affiliated with the charismatic movement, but I go about every three years just for a tune-up. I can tell you that my dormant faith life simply exploded once I received the baptism in the Holy Spirit (BITHS). I was drawn to adoration of the Blessed Sacrament and to the Rosary. I have seen miracles in prayer before the Blessed Sacrament. I lost my fear of the faith. I began evangelizing. I came here.

I know of no one who has ever submitted to the BITHS that was left unaffected, or that saw no benefit. In my case, it was night and day. He prepared me for the fight of (and for) my life. He turned near fatal cancer into a blessing.

Well, you get the idea.
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Could you offer some practical tips for submission? If you know of any good source for guidance, please give.
 
Pitcharan said:
Could you offer some practical tips for submission? If you know of any good source for guidance, please give.
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Contact a charismatic Priest for spiritual guidance (your local charismatic renewal will know one). Check in your area for a “Life in the Spirit” seminar. That is where it all began for me.
 
But what is the difference between the gifts of the Holy Spirit that my RCIA instructor listed and the spiritual gifts listed in 1 Corinthians 12?
 
saribee said:
In RCIA, the director spoke about gifts of the holy spirit. He listed seven. I didn’t write them all down, but two of them were understanding and piety.

I grew up in a charismatic background and the list he gave was not familiar to me at all. I was more familiar with the spiritual gifts mentioned at the beginning of 1 Corinthians 12.

I asked him about these and he rudely brushed me off. When I told a Catholic friend about this, she said Spiritual Gifts and gifts of the holy spirit are different? How are the two different and how do the fruits of the spirit as defined in Galatians fit into that as well?

Where does the Catholic Church stand on spiritual gifts such as tongues and prophesy and visions?
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I cannot comment on the rudeness except I hope you misinterpreted his manner, as no RCIA catechist should be rude for any reason.

The 7 gifts of the Holy Spirit are those given through Confirmation (the second part of what Jesus meant by baptism by water and the Holy Spirit) are those described in Isaiah and proverbs, Wisdom, Understanding, Knowledge, Counsel or Right Judgment, Fortitude or Strength, Piety, and Fear of the Lord (or Awe and Wonder in God’s presence). The are primarily to build up the individual for living the Christian life.

The charismatic gifts are those summarized in Corinthians, sometimes called the Corinthian gifts and as Paul says are primarily to build up the Church.

The Fruits of the holy spirit are drawn from Galatians, and are actions and attitudes by which one may identify a Christian who lives in the Holy Spirit.
Fruits of the Holy Spirit (cf Galatians 5:22-23)
The fruits of the Spirit are the perfections that the Holy Spirit forms in us as the first fruits of eternal glory. The apostolic tradition of the Church lists 12 fruits:

Charity, Gentleness, Modesty Chastity Goodness Peace Faithfulness
Joy Patience Generosity Kindness Self-control
 
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