Frustrated with RCIA

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Thanks everyone for your responses. No, I didn’t know about the Coming Home Network, but I Googled it and it sounds interesting. As for the class teacher, she is the DRE so she is an employee - she is working on her Master’s in theology at a Catholic college. I am working on meeting new people in our parish who might be a little more conservative. I just am not comfortable complaining about RCIA when I am still a student. Since I have antagonized my family and friends by converting, I just can’t bear the thought of having no Catholic friends either…I guess I’m a wimp!
Good for you! You’re showing proper humility as a Christian (cf. 1 Tim. 3:6 – a neophyte should not seek to be a bishop, lest his pride lead him to fall). Conversely, by recognizing the leaders’ mistakes, you’re fulfilling your duty as a Christian to catechize yourself properly.

Don’t worry about Catholic friends; they will follow as you become more involved in your Catholic community. And, sooner or later, your current (former?) non-Catholic friends will start to see that you aren’t turning into a devil, and (I would hope) will see some sort of improvement in you ('cause we should all improve from year to year, yes?). So they might come back.

You aren’t being wimpy. There is a lot of validity to the theory of “Don’t rock the boat when you’re still learning to row.” It will all come together in the end.

For what it’s worth, I get the feeling that they might be trying to help you, just not very well. There is a concept in Catholic theology of different levels of belief. At the basic level, if you can’t accept that Jesus was divine, you’re in the wrong church, right? As you delve more deeply into Catholic teachings, you start to find more and more complex things that require more and more thought and prayer. Sooner or later, you may well stumble across a teaching that just doesn’t make sense to you. At that point, the Church’s teaching is that – even if you can’t agree that the particular teaching in question makes sense – you should simply accept it in good faith (relying on the Church’s authority to interpret Scripture and Tradition) and pray for a better understanding of God’s will. Maybe that’s what your DRE is trying to say. In any event, I agree with her about one thing: RCIA is a “basic” level course; it will never give complete answers about anything. They should try to help you, but it’s possible your questions exceed the scope of their mandate. Remember, we’re all stumbling along the path in our own ways, and it’s entirely possible that you know more than they do about any particular subject (which would mean they would be unable to answer you).

I agree with you: you should stick it out, then pursue further learning that helps you to resolve the questions you have. Perhaps you could enroll in the local theology classes. Or you could seek out a spiritual adviser. Or bring your questions to the priest, with a preface of “I just didn’t understand the RCIA leader’s response, and I was wondering whether you could help me.”

But, above all, welcome home!
 
Thanks everyone for your responses. No, I didn’t know about the Coming Home Network, but I Googled it and it sounds interesting. As for the class teacher, she is the DRE so she is an employee - she is working on her Master’s in theology at a Catholic college. I am working on meeting new people in our parish who might be a little more conservative. I just am not comfortable complaining about RCIA when I am still a student. Since I have antagonized my family and friends by converting, I just can’t bear the thought of having no Catholic friends either…I guess I’m a wimp!
Coming Home Network is great - they have forums that were really helpful when I was converting (it was before I found out about Catholic Answers Forums.🙂 )

It takes time to get there - your journey won’t end after Easter Vigil (it’s only just starting and it is a wonderful one.) God is so good and His Church is really a wonderful place to be.

I know what you mean about “complaining” about RCIA. What you might consider is simply asking them. If it was me I would say something like “I’m still confused by our discussion on birth control - can you show me in the Catechism what the church teaches on this?” Sounds like you are a bit like me and would probably know which section of the Catechism addresses this - if they go off on a tangent, I would just say something like, “You know, I was reading this in section xyz of the Catechism -can you address that?” That way, there is no sense that they are being attacked or complained about and it may give them an opportunity to clarify things (or possibly be educated on something.) If you decide to approach your priest, that may be a way to go. I hate complaing to people or calling people on things and I would feel comfortable doing this. I figure I have a built in excuse as a convert (I don’t know everything yet. :rolleyes:)

If you need someone to talk to, can PM me. :hug1::console:
 
Dear Tiber Swim Team of any year:
I stopped watching TV and continue to discover the riches of the Church by reading classic spiritual writings (Interior Castles, The Screwtape Letters, Introduction to the Devout Life etc.) and listening to faith filled talks on CDs and downloading talks from Catholic Answers. Why dip my toe in a puddle when I can swim in an ocean? Have a blessed Easter. Anthony
 
Dear Tiber Swim Team of any year:
I stopped watching TV and continue to discover the riches of the Church by reading classic spiritual writings (Interior Castles, The Screwtape Letters, Introduction to the Devout Life etc.) and listening to faith filled talks on CDs and downloading talks from Catholic Answers. Why dip my toe in a puddle when I can swim in an ocean? Have a blessed Easter. Anthony
The Coming Home Network is not a TV show. It’s a group of Catholic converts who used to be active in various Protestant traditions. 😉

Networking is good, right? 😃
 
I posted the following and then realized the original and responses were dated in '06 (I’m new to this forum and still learning) but it is more appropriate here. I am the type of person who asks numerous questions during RCIA (and generally answered by the instructors) but I also like to know details and what to expect during this process. e.g. Receiving of Candidates; Rite of Elections; etc., but never get a complete answere - more likely the instructors will say “don’t worry about it”.

I am a candidate in RCIA. We went through “Catholic” specific issues early on in September when we started. Then RCIA began to become a bible study (which is not in itself bad) but we discussed the readings after early dismissal and then again during our regular Wednesday meetings. I would have liked to have more info on what it means to be a Catholic. But throughout this process, there was a definate lack of what we as candidates should expect during various rites. At tonight’s meeting I asked the instructors to go over what we will be required to do during Easter Vigil and was told they didn’t want to give us the details as they wanted us to experience the Vigil first hand without preconceived notions. (However, they are having a rehersal with sponsors and godparents before the Vigil). My feeling is that my knowing what to expect would enhance my experience as I wouldn’t have to be thinking about looking at my sponsor for cues, etc.
 
I posted the following and then realized the original and responses were dated in '06 (I’m new to this forum and still learning) but it is more appropriate here. I am the type of person who asks numerous questions during RCIA (and generally answered by the instructors) but I also like to know details and what to expect during this process. e.g. Receiving of Candidates; Rite of Elections; etc., but never get a complete answere - more likely the instructors will say “don’t worry about it”.
I got burned on this. I explained it ahead of time to some people, and they never showed up for it.

So after that experience, I just tell people, “You will know what to do when the time comes. Don’t worry about it.”
I am a candidate in RCIA. We went through “Catholic” specific issues early on in September when we started. Then RCIA began to become a bible study (which is not in itself bad) but we discussed the readings after early dismissal and then again during our regular Wednesday meetings. I would have liked to have more info on what it means to be a Catholic. But throughout this process, there was a definate lack of what we as candidates should expect during various rites. At tonight’s meeting I asked the instructors to go over what we will be required to do during Easter Vigil and was told they didn’t want to give us the details as they wanted us to experience the Vigil first hand without preconceived notions. (However, they are having a rehersal with sponsors and godparents before the Vigil). My feeling is that my knowing what to expect would enhance my experience as I wouldn’t have to be thinking about looking at my sponsor for cues, etc.
There really isn’t that much to it. Father and your sponsor do all of the actual work. It will become obvious what you are supposed to do, when you are supposed to do it. There is no point in getting you anxious with trying to remember all the details ahead of time - or going into “critic mode” when someone doesn’t do it quite how the book says to do it.

It will just flow naturally - answer any questions they ask you honestly. “Do you … ?” “I do,” “Will you … ?” “I will,” etc.

If a response is required to something that is not a question, it’s either “Amen” or “And also with you.” Listen carefully, to know which of those is most appropriate to the situation. 🙂
 
Oh for Heaven’s sakes! This doesn’t sound at all like someone who is “worrying” about it, just someone who would like to know what to expect/anticipate.

It’s not a mystery, though it is a Mystery 😃

usccb.org/liturgy/eastervigil.shtml

liturgyoffice.org.uk/Resources/Rites/RCIA.pdf

As you’ll see there is some flexibility built into the structure, and your parish team will sort out the precise 1-2-3, but this will give you an overview, which I expect is what you’re looking for?

Generally the structure is-

Easter Fire/Service of Light (during which you will probably be seated in the church with your sponsor, although I have seen the catechumens and candidates in the procession)
Liturgy of the Word
Baptism of catechumens
Reception of candidates
Confirmation (excluding infants/young children who may have just been baptised with parents)
Creed (which you can now proclaim!)
Liturgy of the Eucharist (First Communion of all newly initiated before the rest of the congregation)

hope that helps?
 
Hey Debbie! Your post moved me deeply!
I have great empathy for you, and can relate to you… I thought it might help a little if I tell you a short blurb about my own experience with Mary;

First I want to say that I too come into the Church this April 11/09, and have been very blessed to belong to a Cathedral. Our RCIA courses are outstanding and explainations are thorough and compassionate. It sounds as if you are being tested by a zealot! 🤓 In my opinion you should stand up (politely but firmly) to the statements that imply you don’t have to understand. I couldn’t agree with you more that you need to understand to stick up for your Faith! (Remember our dear St.Thomas who had to question everything?). It has been my experience (in fact I had one today) that God allows others to test us the closer we get (even in our own Church). I am sure that Mary is not offended by your questions!👍

I too, a Convert, have a very strict Protestant background as my Father raised us alone and his father was a Presbyterian Minister and my Mother before she died was a Sunday School teacher in our church. Jesus was always a very big part of my life. My parents were not only Protestant, but “Anti-Catholic” and Mary was just not part of my learning! After my mother died (I was almost 13 years old) I studied the lives of the Saints without my family knowing; an unforgettable experience in the Catholic Church when I was 8 years old and stayed overnight at a friends I had always carried with me. However I found a real discomfort with regard to Mary at first. For me as well, Jesus was the only one I communicated with. I have had the honor of associating personally with a few priests and between the pastorial association, research and the RCIA I now have a crystal clear understanding of Marian teachings that make PERFECT SENSE to me. It was NOT easy however at first… For me, Mary represented an inbread “misunderstanding” of the Catholic Faith that I had to work out with God in my own time. Not only was I taught Protestant dogma but also the misunderstanding that Catholic “worship” Mary (NOT TRUE)… We revere Mary because she was a “human being” Chosen to be the Mother of God!; a Perfect Human without ‘original Sin’! God’s Mother. Furthermore I personally had an awkwardness with Mary because I had lost my Mother on earth and on some level didn’t feel I “deserved” a mother. The thought of Mary made me feel ashamed on some level. Between the FEAR and the SHAME that the Protestant Church teaches I didn’t have a chance with Mary UNTIL I got to know the TRUTH. For the past 4 years I say the Rosary and I am now very devoted to Our Lady, and She in turn is teaching me much about coming Home to Her Son and doing His Wishes! My suggestion: Take the time you need to find the answers you need to find, and the fact you are asking the questions shows that Jesus must be guarding your heart toward His own! Mary IS INDEED Amazing and I pray you come to know her as I have (and am).:extrahappy:

Us Converts do tend to start ‘fires’ that make some luke warm Cradles uncomfortable. God Bless us All!👋
 
Dear 7before: Welcome Home! The Angels and Saints in Heaven will roar with joy when you are received into the Church. Enjoy the swim. I also teach RCIA. I wish I had more questioners like you in my class. Anthony
 
LOL! 👋 Thank you Anthony for your very warm welcome!

I use to think that I gave my life to Jesus, but I discovered after my first (general) Confession that I didn’t!! … Now I KNOW I gave my Life to Jesus because this time HE TOOK IT!!:bowdown:

I wish that EVERYONE in the World could feel the Joy and Excitement I do! :extrahappy:

In RCIA we of course studied the topic of the Sacrament of Reconcilliation but until one actually participates in it, it is difficult to understand the POWER it has! Oh My, Anthony!! I am BLOWN AWAY COMPLETELY at the scales God has lifted from my eyes!!:love:

I am SO PROUD to be Roman Catholic!! SOOOO THANKFUL!! I pray with all my heart that I NEVER loose this FIRE Christ has lit in my heart!! :bounce:
 
LOL! 👋 Thank you Anthony for your very warm welcome!

I use to think that I gave my life to Jesus, but I discovered after my first (general) Confession that I didn’t!! … Now I KNOW I gave my Life to Jesus because this time HE TOOK IT!!:bowdown:

I wish that EVERYONE in the World could feel the Joy and Excitement I do! :extrahappy:

In RCIA we of course studied the topic of the Sacrament of Reconcilliation but until one actually participates in it, it is difficult to understand the POWER it has! Oh My, Anthony!! I am BLOWN AWAY COMPLETELY at the scales God has lifted from my eyes!!:love:

I am SO PROUD to be Roman Catholic!! SOOOO THANKFUL!! I pray with all my heart that I NEVER loose this FIRE Christ has lit in my heart!! :bounce:
Wonderful!! :dancing:
 
Dear 7before:
Congratulations on receiving the redemptive joy of Jesus. Tonight is Holy Thursday. Let me know what happens- both inside and out. Now is the time to start reading spiritual works that will lead you further into the heart of Jesus. Borrow (or buy) a copy of Confessions by St. Augustine. Read it a piece at a time. I also have more suggestions, if you would like me to suggest more.

In Jesus Crucified,
Anthony
 
Thank you dearly Anthony for your support in Christ.
I will for sure read Confessions of St Augustine. 🙂 and I would be very grateful for any other suggestions! I am off to the Cathedral now for Holy Thursday ‘Celebrations’. I bought a book a while back because it’s title moved me and it is by Saint Thomas More called, The Sadness of Christ. I have not yet had a chance to read it and will bring it with me because I have some time before everything starts. Have you read it?
Blessing to all in Jesus.
 
Hi Debbie,
I’m a revert coming into full communion on Sat. at the Easter Vigil & husband is being baptized into the faith on same day.
We have had some anti-catholic moments from friends, one daughter, husband’s bro. (he told husband that if becomes C. he will have to pray to statues) and other family members just totally ignore the whole thing.
We are so blessed with our RCIA group however:) And the priests & the deacon are wonderful.
I have picked up that though they are kind & caring & have given their all for us there is a bit of casualness in some of the beliefs. I am more traditional then they are but this is actually good for husband.
I say that I am an EWTN/Father Corapi Catholic!
I have noticed the the ones who help with RCIA who have always been Catholic are clueless as to the anti-catholic feelings out there among the “others”.
Maybe once I feel more at home I will try & get this point across to some of them.
May our dear Lord & Savior love you & keep you in His loving Heart & protect you from the trials & tribulations of the anti-catholics!
Love in Christ,
Agatina
 
I would just like to say Congratulations!! to everyone who is receiving their Sacraments of Initiation tonight. May the Lord bless you abundantly, and protect you from the machinations of the Devil, and may you persevere in His grace until you reach Heaven at last. 🙂
 
To all Candidates and Catechumens- YOU ARE NOW CATHOLIC!!! WELCOME HOME!!! (And Yes, I meant to shout that one out loudly!!) God bless you all!!!:D:thumbsup::cool:
 
To all Candidates and Catechumens- YOU ARE NOW CATHOLIC!!! WELCOME HOME!!! (And Yes, I meant to shout that one out loudly!!) God bless you all!!!:D:thumbsup::cool:
What about those who must wait until next year???
 
*Originally Posted by joamy
To all Candidates and Catechumens- YOU ARE NOW CATHOLIC!!! WELCOME HOME!!! (And Yes, I meant to shout that one out loudly!!) God bless you all!!!

What about those who must wait until next year??? *​

I have just been officially accepted into God’s Church. You have MUCH to look forward too!! In my experience God pulls you closer and closer until the Big “Marriage” Day when one is FINALLY invited to His Table!!! :extrahappy:

Blessings to all the Candidates and Catechumens ‘still in waiting’, and may we ALL stay strong in our desire for Jesus and grateful for our Path of Narrow Road. :o

Thank you in Christ for all your good wishes. It is truly amazing to belong to His Body on Earth! HAPPY BLESSED EASTER TO ALL!!! :love:
 
What about those who must wait until next year???
Enjoy the journey. 🙂

I took the scenic route, too. (17 years.) Wouldn’t have missed a minute of it. (Could have probably used another year, actually.) I have no regrets - I came into the Church when I was supposed to. You will, too. 🙂
 
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