FSSP and SSPX

[ProVobis]

If the SSPX wants postitions of leadership in the Catholic Church, they first need to get on board completely.

Based on the chain of events involving the Vatican, the SSPX, and the many other bishops who have had hardened feelings against them since 1970, I don’t see this happening. The best you can hope for is for the priests to come in one at a time, even if the bishops were to get canonical status tomorrow. High probability of another split. But that’s my opinion.

 

[pnewton]

Based on the chain of events involving the Vatican, the SSPX, and the many other bishops who have had hardened feelings against them since 1970, I don’t see this happening.

Perhaps, but it is something I pray often for. What a wonderful boon to the Church it would be.

 

[ProVobis]

Perhaps, but it is something I pray often for.

It certainly could be a miracle, worthy enough to canonize a few, I’m sure.

 

[paramedicgirl]

Here is a picture taken three weeks ago of a “borderline schismatic” priest of the SSPX offering the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass on perhaps the most privileged altar in the Vatican - in St Peter’s Basilica on the Clementine altar in the crypt below the main altar over the bones of St. Peter.

Apparently the Pope doesn’t hold quite the same views of the SSPX as some of the posters at C.A. I don’t think you’ll find many heretics or schismatics saying Mass down there.

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I personally can’t wait until the Pope resolves the outstanding issues with the SSPX. Then all this back and forth bickering over the SSPX will stop. On a side note, I attend the Mass of the FSSP, but I was drawn to the Traditional Mass through exposure to the SSPX. I often wonder why some Catholics seem so threatened by the SSPX. Thank God they preserved tradition when it was being tossed by the wayside.

 

[paramedicgirl]

I’m not a part of the SSPX.

The SSPX stayed faithful to the traditions of the Church not adopting the modernist novelties and improvisations of the past forty years. Now the Church is slowly working its way back to where it began.
Yep. I’d say God blessed those ardent defenders of the faith. Jesus told us the path would be narrow.

And this is largely thanks to Pope Benedict. God bless him!

 

[Ockham]

Do you attend Holy Family church in Vancouver?

Someone once described the SSPX as a life raft put out when the mother ship went into stormy waters. Hopefully there are now blue skies ahead.

 

[pnewton]

Someone once described the SSPX as a life raft put out when the mother ship went into stormy waters. Hopefully there are now blue skies ahead.

I like that comparison. Then the FSSP and the Holy Father are the tough old salts that stay with the ship through the storm and keep it afloat so the SSPX can come back on board.

 

[Ockham]

I like that comparison. Then the FSSP and the Holy Father are the tough old salts that stay with the ship through the storm and keep it afloat so the SSPX can come back on board.

Time will tell.

 

[pnewton]

Time will tell.

Maybe. Let me put a more charitable spin on this analogy. To the SSPX way of thinking, the see themselves as more of an icebreaker, making transit of the storm possible. I think by and large they have the best of motives.

 

[paramedicgirl]

Do you attend Holy Family church in Vancouver?

Someone once described the SSPX as a life raft put out when the mother ship went into stormy waters. Hopefully there are now blue skies ahead.

Yes, I do. We are blessed with two amazing and very holy priests - Father Deprey and Father Geddes. Their sermons are always about faith and morals. There is no bubble gum stuff on how much Jesus loves us. It is all about how to get to heaven. Father Geddes often tells us that he is not going to hell for any one of us, so we will have to sit through yet another sermon on how to avoid hell!

 

[Aramis]

Maybe. Let me put a more charitable spin on this analogy. To the SSPX way of thinking, the see themselves as more of an icebreaker, making transit of the storm possible. I think by and large they have the best of motives.

The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

 

[pnewton]

The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

Hezekiah 4:7? Or is that from the Catechism?

From CCC #1778

In all he says and does, man is obliged to follow faithfully what he knows to be just and right. It is by the judgment of his conscience that man perceives and recognizes the prescriptions of the divine law:

 

[Ockham]

Yes, I do. We are blessed with two amazing and very holy priests - Father Deprey and Father Geddes. Their sermons are always about faith and morals. There is no bubble gum stuff on how much Jesus loves us. It is all about how to get to heaven. Father Geddes often tells us that he is not going to hell for any one of us, so we will have to sit through yet another sermon on how to avoid hell!

That’s exactly my experience with our FSSP priest in Kitchener. His sermons are printed and available to take home after Mass. He usually cites saints, priests, and popes to make his point. He clearly sees his role as our guide to get into heaven.

A friend of mine who is a lawyer goes to Mass once a year. He commented last time that the typical Novus Ordo sermon is fluff lacking in substance and structure. In lawyer speak it doesn’t make for a good argument. It should be self-evident that God loves us and we should love Him and our neighbours.

This phenomena is most likely a result of the ‘spirit of Vatican II’ desire to de-emphasize sin and make the clergy more like the laity - no judgement. Unfortunately many souls have most likely ended up in the wrong place. The Church is supposed to be our light in the darkness, not an Oprah-esque love in where no one is guilty of sin.

The Last Four Things: Death, Judgement, Heaven, Hell

 

[floresco]

That’s exactly my experience with our FSSP priest in Kitchener. His sermons are printed and available to take home after Mass. He usually cites saints, priests, and popes to make his point. He clearly sees his role as our guide to get into heaven.

I get to that Mass about once a month (on the first Sunday when it is later).

 

[Lycorth]

I personally can’t wait until the Pope resolves the outstanding issues with the SSPX. Then all this back and forth bickering over the SSPX will stop.

I hope so; to listen to the SSPX’s biggest critics around here, it’s still 1988

A friend of mine who is a lawyer goes to Mass once a year. He commented last time that the typical Novus Ordo sermon is fluff lacking in substance and structure. In lawyer speak it doesn’t make for a good argument. It should be self-evident that God loves us and we should love Him and our neighbours.

This phenomena is most likely a result of the ‘spirit of Vatican II’ desire to de-emphasize sin and make the clergy more like the laity - no judgement. Unfortunately many souls have most likely ended up in the wrong place. The Church is supposed to be our light in the darkness, not an Oprah-esque love in where no one is guilty of sin.

Amen! At my church, sermons do lean a little towards what I in my pagan days would call a “fluffy bunny” approach.

In pagan circles, a “fluffy bunny” is someone who promotes a severely candy-coated interpretation of X pagan religion (mostly this applies to Wiccan groups, but I digress) where there is no evil, nothing is wrong, no one should be held to any standards, and everything must be as feel-good and inoffensive as possible. Frankly, the term is applicable to the post-conciliar Church in so many ways, in the most Novus Ordo of parishes. All we hear about today from so many priests and other Catholics is how much God loves us and all too little about what He wants from us, especially when it comes to avoiding sin.

Just like how real bunnies tear up your garden, the fluffy-bunny, post-conciliar Catholics are tearing up the Church. I pray to God it will not go on much more; thank God for groups like the SSPX and their defense of tradition!

 

[pnewton]

Just like how real bunnies tear up your garden, the fluffy-bunny, post-conciliar Catholics are tearing up the Church.

Aren’t all Catholics today post-concilliar? I have never known any time-traveling Catholics from the past.

 

[paramedicgirl]

The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

More accurately, Saint Athanasius originally said: “The floor of hell is covered with the skulls of bishops”, and St John Chrysostom said “the road to hell is paved with the bones of priests and lined with the skulls of bishops”.

 

[VetA]

How about this.
First, attend an FSSP Mass.
Next, attend a SSPX Mass.
Then, YOU tell US.
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Maybe he’s interested in differences that lie deeper than what words they recite and what cut of vestments they wear? Seriously dude, if someone asks a question and you’re too busy or insufficiently knowledgeable to answer, there’s no need to post just to say, “I’m not going to answer.”

or maby you’re like me and have one avalible and not the other

 

[Aramis]

More accurately, Saint Athanasius originally said: “The floor of hell is covered with the skulls of bishops”, and St John Chrysostom said “the road to hell is paved with the bones of priests and lined with the skulls of bishops”.

I’ve heard all three so often from Dominicans, DSP, and Franciscans, but only the St John quote was attributed to source.

 

[Ockham]

I get to that Mass about once a month (on the first Sunday when it is later).

Glad you can make it.