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So I’ve been reading a lot lately about the Priestly Fraternity of St. Peter. I’d REALLY like to find a FSSP Church around me but I can’t seem to find one any closer than Pennsylvania. Does anyone know if there is a FSSP church anywhere near Washington D.C. If I’m correct in believing that the closest FSSP Church to me is in PA, is there anything I can do to try and get an FSSP presence in the D.C. area?
 
Wish I could bring one to NYC. Unfortunately I have to travel a long distance every Sunday.
 
Wish I could bring one to NYC. Unfortunately I have to travel a long distance every Sunday.
When I lived in NYC there was a parish that was totally Old Rite and in communion with Rome. Can’t remember the name of the parish though…this was back in the 1980’s…T think it was in the Hell’s Kitchen area of the city…I’d be surprised if it wasn’t still there…why do you need to travel so far (to CT if I remember correctly from another post)?
 
When I lived in NYC there was a parish that was totally Old Rite and in communion with Rome. Can’t remember the name of the parish though…this was back in the 1980’s…T think it was in the Hell’s Kitchen area of the city…I’d be surprised if it wasn’t still there…why do you need to travel so far (to CT if I remember correctly from another post)?
There are a good number of parishes that celebrate the EF in addition to the OF in NYC. You might be referring to St Agnes, which has been offering a Latin mass for a while. Beautiful mass.

I always have to give a shout out to Holy Innocents, which is doing an awesome job. They have only been offering a Sunday Latin mass for 1-2 years, but they are awesome and also offer a daily EF, does traditional First Friday vigils and also processions. I am told that Father Z celebrates mass there once in a while when in NYC.

But I wanted to find a parish that was completely traditional for my instruction, so on Sundays I travel far to an FSSP parish. During the week I attend mass locally.
 
So I’ve been reading a lot lately about the Priestly Fraternity of St. Peter. I’d REALLY like to find a FSSP Church around me but I can’t seem to find one any closer than Pennsylvania. Does anyone know if there is a FSSP church anywhere near Washington D.C. If I’m correct in believing that the closest FSSP Church to me is in PA, is there anything I can do to try and get an FSSP presence in the D.C. area?
Bold is mine.

Canon Law does not allow any society of apostolic life to enter a diocese unless the local bishop and its superior agree that it is good, first for the society itself. The society’s welfare comes before that of the diocese and second, it must be good for the diocese.

In order to reach such an agreement certain conditions must be met. Once it is established that the society and the diocese would benefit from its presence, then the question of sustainability has to be answered. The superior of the society has to be sure that his men are going to be paid. They can’t live if they don’t get paid. The FSSP is not a religious community. Its members are not consecrated religious. Therefore, each one is paid a salary + benefits (retirement, health insurance, life insurance and social security). I don’t know if the FSSP requires that the diocese reimburse them for daily expenses such as mileage, cell phone, internet, etc. Some societies do require this and others do not, because the job provides a car, cell phone and internet.

Once they have established financial sustainability, they must establish longevity. The superior must decide whether or not there is a fertile ground for vocations in that area. They can’t go into a place where they will not receive new members or they will die by atrition. It is the duty of the superior to keep the society alive.

Finally, there has to be a vacancy. They can’t take over a parish is there is not a parish to be taken over. This last one is rarely a problem. There is a shortage of diocesan priests and most priests who are religious do not do parish work. Bishops always welcome the possibility of consolidating men. This opens up parishes. Here comes the flip side.

The bishop must assign his own men to parishes that can pay them. He can’t give the FSSP or a religious community a parish that has financial resources and assign diocesan priests to a parish that has little or none. Diocesan priests do not work for free. They are not consecrated religious either. They must be paid and receive benefits in order to live. The parish that takes in the FSSP must have resources to keep them. Dioceses don’t pay the salaries of parish priests who are not religious. The parish pays the salary and benefits. The diocese manages those benefits packages. In some dioceses, the diocese will have enough income from special collections and drives to pay for retirement. This helps the parishes, because it’s one less expense for the parishioners.

Because the FSSP are not religious, they pay taxes. The organization is a 501(c)3. Any donations to the FSSP is tax free. Any income to any FSSP priest is not tax free. These priests pay state and federal income tax. The Society does not help them pay it, because it’s illegal. It would be income that they have to report and that just raises their tax bracket.

As you can see, you must have a need for the society, whichever one it is. You, as a community, must also be good for them. And you must be able to afford them. Finally, they must have the numbers of men to send to your area. If they spread to thin they run risks. If someone gets sick, dies or retires, they have a vacancy that they cannot fill.

Religious communities do not face all of these issues, because they have a vow of poverty. They don’t get paid salaries or benefits and they don’t get social security or pay FICA. They are less expensive to bring into a parish. Most religious communities of men do not do parish work, because they were founded for other missions and other ways of life. Most do not have men who want to celebrate the EF.

In the end, it’s a wait and see scenario if you want the FSSP itself. Otherwise,you have to find a priest who is willing to celebrate the EF and who has permission to do so. As we know, secular priests do not need permission. It’s a matter of finding one who wants to do it. That’s your other option.

Unfortunately, the Archdiocese of Washington is very small. It does not have a large number of secular priests. It has a huge population because it takes in DC, Prince George County and parts of Montgomery County. However, it has never had the numbers of diocesan priests that other metropolitan dioceses have. Most of its parishes are one or two man parishes. It’s going to be a little more challenging to find a secular priest who wants to celebrate the EF, because you have a smaller pool. There are hundreds of priess at Catholic University, but they are all members of religious orders or religious congregations. They need their superior’s permission to celebrate the EF and most are not there for the benefit of the diocese. They are attached to one of the formation houses around CUA.

You’ll have to start a prayer chain that the FSSP grows and that they and the Archdiocese will come to some agreement.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
There are a good number of parishes that celebrate the EF in addition to the OF in NYC. You might be referring to St Agnes, which has been offering a Latin mass for a while. Beautiful mass.

I always have to give a shout out to Holy Innocents, which is doing an awesome job. They have only been offering a Sunday Latin mass for 1-2 years, but they are awesome and also offer a daily EF, does traditional First Friday vigils and also processions. I am told that Father Z celebrates mass there once in a while when in NYC.

But I wanted to find a parish that was completely traditional for my instruction, so on Sundays I travel far to an FSSP parish. During the week I attend mass locally.
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Do you go to the FSSP in Pequannock,NJ? That is the closest one from NYC.
 
It sounds like the Archdiocese of Washington isn’t necessarily the best climate for inviting the FSSP. What about the diocese of Arlington? Is it a similar situation there?
 
It sounds like the Archdiocese of Washington isn’t necessarily the best climate for inviting the FSSP. What about the diocese of Arlington? Is it a similar situation there?
That’s what I was thinking; Arlington has MANY TLM’s, praise God! ecclesiadei.org/masses.cfm#Virginia

The FSSP tends to enter dioceses (from what I know) to serve groups of traditionalists without the old Mass and Sacraments or to dioceses with SSPX/sede chapels. There are a lot of traditional Latin Masses in the D.C. area, and the priests for the most part are well formed and more traditional (courtesy of Mt. St. Mary’s), so the D.C. area probably is not on FSSP’s priority mission list. This is probably why they are not in Chicago or NYC either.
 
That’s what I was thinking; Arlington has MANY TLM’s, praise God! ecclesiadei.org/masses.cfm#Virginia

The FSSP tends to enter dioceses (from what I know) to serve groups of traditionalists without the old Mass and Sacraments or to dioceses with SSPX/sede chapels. There are a lot of traditional Latin Masses in the D.C. area, and the priests for the most part are well formed and more traditional (courtesy of Mt. St. Mary’s), so the D.C. area probably is not on FSSP’s priority mission list. This is probably why they are not in Chicago or NYC either.
Right. Most cities that have several diocesan TLMs don’t have FSSP parishes (although the diocesan TLMs might be served by FSSP priests). Many times, FSSP parishes are built up as “Catholic ghettos” (I mean that in a good sense). They are fortress Catholic parishes.
 
That’s what I was thinking; Arlington has MANY TLM’s, praise God! ecclesiadei.org/masses.cfm#Virginia

The FSSP tends to enter dioceses (from what I know) to serve groups of traditionalists without the old Mass and Sacraments or to dioceses with SSPX/sede chapels. There are a lot of traditional Latin Masses in the D.C. area, and the priests for the most part are well formed and more traditional (courtesy of Mt. St. Mary’s), so the D.C. area probably is not on FSSP’s priority mission list. This is probably why they are not in Chicago or NYC either.
In Chicago, the ICRSS and the SJC priests have parishes. Right outside Chicago the FSSP serve in an OF/EF community.
 
Sorry to ask, but whats the difference between an FSSP mass and a regular mass? (except Latin / tridentine rituals of course)
 
Sorry to ask, but whats the difference between an FSSP mass and a regular mass? (except Latin / tridentine rituals of course)
Besides the Form of the mass itself, almost always the music and the vestments are different. In the Extraordinary Form, there are only altar boys. FSSP/ICKSP church architecture is always traditional. All of these things can be done in the Ordinary Form, but communities offering the EF are much, much more consistent.
 
FSSP/ICKSP church architecture is always traditional.
I can’t speak for the other, but the church architecture is not always traditional for where the FSSP offer Mass. While the parish I attend is not hideously modern, it’s definitely not traditional. Where the FSSP offer Mass is either wherever the Bishop assigns them, or wherever a Latin Mass community exists.
 
I can’t speak for the other, but the church architecture is not always traditional for where the FSSP offer Mass. While the parish I attend is not hideously modern, it’s definitely not traditional. Where the FSSP offer Mass is either wherever the Bishop assigns them, or wherever a Latin Mass community exists.
I was actually going to post on this a few mintues ago but did not want to seem uncharitable or that I was posting just to be contrarian.

Deo makes a good point though…

It is the Bishop’s decision as to where the FSSP goes and St. Francis de Sales (FFSP) in Mableton, Georgia is in a converted Baptist Church. It’s basically a steel building to which a suitable altar, communion rail, and the requisite statues and pews have been added. It has been beautified to the extent that a steel box is able to be beautified but the architecture isn’t exactly traditional.

-Tim-
 
Saint Mary Mother of God in DC offers the Extraordinary Form of the Mass every Sunday. Sorry, but I don’t know the address. Hope it helps.
 
That’s what I was thinking; Arlington has MANY TLM’s, praise God! ecclesiadei.org/masses.cfm#Virginia

The FSSP tends to enter dioceses (from what I know) to serve groups of traditionalists without the old Mass and Sacraments or to dioceses with SSPX/sede chapels. There are a lot of traditional Latin Masses in the D.C. area, and the priests for the most part are well formed and more traditional (courtesy of Mt. St. Mary’s), so the D.C. area probably is not on FSSP’s priority mission list. This is probably why they are not in Chicago or NYC either.
Oh they want to come to NYC. It’s just not possible.
 
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