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Wow, I guess Pope-bashing is what is required to make you a ‘good Catholic’ these days. Disgusting. You should be ashamed of yourself.
Yeah, it kind of is. For me anyway. This encyclical is clownish and POLITICALLY driven. Fortunately, I don’t have to listen to a word that this “chatty” pope says that doesn’t apply to faith and morals issued by the Magesterium. I WILL have to explain it away to intelligent non-Catholics though.

Again, Thanks F1 And thanks for resigning B-16.
 
You don’t read a lot of Franciscian writings do you? I don’t know if St. Francis ever hugged a tree but it wouldn’t surprise me. He certainly hugged a wolf.
Not at the expense of human beings he didn’t.
 
Again, Thanks F1 And thanks for resigning B-16.
It was a real act of courage for Pope Benedict to resign. We are fortunate that we had a pope with such courage who knew when to step aside.
 
Yeah, it kind of is. For me anyway. This encyclical is clownish and POLITICALLY driven. Fortunately, I don’t have to listen to a word that this “chatty” pope says that doesn’t apply to faith and morals issued by the Magesterium. I WILL have to explain it away to intelligent non-Catholics though.

Again, Thanks F1 And thanks for resigning B-16.
That right? An encyclical may not be infallible, nor even strictly doctrinal in all of its contents but it *is *authoritative and you must respect both the encyclical itself and the office of the author even if conscience compels you to disagree with elements of it (which I don’t dispute):
“…It is not to be thought that what is set down in Encyclical letters does not demand assent in itself, because in this the popes do not exercise the supreme power of their magisterium. For these matters are taught by the ordinary magisterium, regarding which the following is pertinent: “He who heareth you, heareth Me.” (Luke 10:16); and usually what is set forth and inculcated in Encyclical Letters, already pertains to Catholic doctrine. But if the Supreme Pontiffs in their acts, after due consideration, express an opinion on a hitherto controversial matter, it is clear to all that this matter, according to the mind and will of the same Pontiffs, cannot any longer be considered a question of free discussion among theologians…”
— Venerable Pius XII, Humani Generis (1950)
I think it is nothing short of disgraceful to hear some speak of their Pope in a flagrantly offensive manner. It earns the implicated individuals no kudos. Catholics should always read an encyclical in a spirit of open-mindedness, respect, obedience and convinced that our Holy Father has the purest of intentions. I think that some are judging the text before they have even read it, such that when they do read it it is through hardened hearts, closed minds and preconceived prejudice. I hope I am wrong but the offensive language being used by a vocal minority leads me to suspect otherwise,

Respectfully question certain parts of the encyclical by all means but the reaction I am seeing from some quarters on this forum today is very dispiriting to say the least. 🤷
 
So much animosity. As I said, there’s too much to critique substance at this point, speaking for myself only. I’d want to read it and re-read it a couple of times with a fresh perspective before I get to that, if I even think it’s within my ability.

I would not jump to for example section 44. point to the last sentence and ask whether the statement is true, how is it pertinent or what are we supposed to do about it - until I get time to digest it all. Others are free to do so and I’ll read their opinions and let it sink in too.

The style is poor for a document that expects to be for the ages, though.
 
It is awful writing, and more importantly, wrong.
Whether you agree or not with His Holiness, you are not entitled to insult his writing.
Ayheists want to read it because it is a hammer they fan use against the faithful.
Quite on the contrary. Every comment I have read thus far from atheists on the Internet is positive and supportive. If anything, this encyclical is drawing them closer to the Church.
It is written like people are indiifferent or evil corporations want just profits.
There is not a single sentence in the entire encyclical that says that. That is your interpretation, and yours alone.
Nowhere does it describe how heavy regulations hurt the poor.
Of course not, that isn’t the theme of the encyclical.
It reads like something that would come from a Captain Planet episode, and matches the intellectual depth.
I have read atheists treat the Pope with more respect than you. You should be ashamed.
 
I haven’t read it entirely yet but what I have read has no suggestions as what to do only what has been done.:confused: If someone who has read all of it, please tell me that he does offer solutions.
 
I think it is nothing short of disgraceful to hear some speak of their Pope in a flagrantly offensive manner.
You are just hearing frustration that the leader of the Church would base an encyclical on questionable scientific theory (and all scientific theories are questionable–that is the nature of science). I don’t believe the Church has ever endorsed a particular scientific view such as evolution or the Big Bang as being necessarily correct. In the end, I think that the Church will be forced to say publicly that it has not endorsed “substantially harmful man-made global warming” in this encyclical. However, in the meantime, people will think the Church has done so, and it will require a lot of explanation to address that harm (and to oppose government programs based on that misperception).
 
Whether you agree or not with His Holiness, you are not entitled to insult his writing.

Quite on the contrary. Every comment I have read thus far from atheists on the Internet is positive and supportive. If anything, this encyclical is drawing them closer to the Church.

There is not a single sentence in the entire encyclical that says that. That is your interpretation, and yours alone.

Of course not, that isn’t the theme of the encyclical.

I have read atheists treat the Pope with more respect than you. You should be ashamed.
Ae they converting to the Church? Praising because it reinforces their preconceptions? I hear I might be Catholic, but little actual conversion.

Bad writing is bad writing. Does not matter who it comes from.

Knock off the shaming language.
 
What is the significance of some atheists’ reactions? Are they official representatives of all atheists? Are atheists models of faith or discernment for Catholics? I think that’s a poor srgument to make.
 
You are just hearing frustration that the leader of the Church would base an encyclical on questionable scientific theory (and all scientific theories are questionable–that is the nature of science).
Man-made global warming has deep moral implications. Don’t forget that. This is what the Holy Father points out.

The frustration is misplaced, because short-sighted and blinded by conservative political ideology.
 
What is the significance of some atheists’ reactions? Are they official representatives of all atheists? Are atheists models of faith or discernment for Catholics? I think that’s a poor srgument to make.
I haven’t seen atheists reactions. I have only seen reactions of Catholics-in-name-only. And their reactions have been of the celebratory type…as in, finally, we have a pope who sees it their way! Meaning, they are not moving to the Church, but the Church is moving to them. (That is the protestant way: find a church that matches your personal beliefs; don’t bother conforming your beliefs to the one true Church.)

Their reactions are not to come closer to the Church themselves. Their reactions are based on shadenfruede in their perception that the Catholic Church is moving away from their political enemies. And, they are ecstatic, in that they now think the Church might move on other issues as well, such as the pro-life issue. I see them sensing victory over the Church, not embracing conversion into the Church.
 
I haven’t seen atheists reactions. I have only seen reactions of Catholics-in-name-only. And their reactions have been of the celebratory type…as in, finally, we have a pope who sees it their way! Meaning, they are not moving to the Church, but the Church is moving to them. (That is the protestant way: find a church that matches your personal beliefs; don’t bother conforming your beliefs to the one true Church.)

Their reactions are not to come closer to the Church themselves. Their reactions are based on shadenfruede in their perception that the Catholic Church is moving away from their political enemies. And, they are ecstatic, in that they now think the Church might move on other issues as well, such as the pro-life issue. I see them sensing victory over the Church, not embracing conversion into the Church.
Whatever. I only see defeat of hardcore right-wing conservatives who put their blinded ideology ahead of their Catholic Faith.
 
Man-made global warming has deep moral implications. Don’t forget that.
Indeed. Without global warming, we wouldn’t have Canada and the northern United States or northern Europe. All of that would be under ice. Global warming has been the greatest single boon to the growth of humanity on this earth…and all of that warming occurred without contribution by mankind.

What remains to be seen is whether more global warming will be bad.
This is what the Holy Father points out.

The frustration is misplaced, because short-sighted and blinded by conservative political ideology.
The long term view sees that global warming has been a giant net positive for mankind.

Now, I agree that we are stewards of this earth. I 100% a conservationist. But to (apparently)base an encyclical on a scientific process that we are hundreds of years away from having enough data to properly understand…that is short sighted.

Again, I think the Church will have to back away from this in the long run. It is only with a short-sighted view that this seems ok.
 
Whatever. I only see defeat of hardcore right-wing conservatives who put their blinded ideology ahead of their Catholic Faith.
You keep talking about how posters in this thread should be “ashamed”. Maybe you should look at your own motivations before you attack the faith of others (which I’m pretty sure is against forum rules)
 
Whatever. I only see defeat of hardcore right-wing conservatives who put their blinded ideology ahead of their Catholic Faith.
It is the other way around. Conservatives are worried that Pope Francis is putting short term political ideology (warmist politics) first. They are not lobbying for the Pope to take a political stand. They want him to avoid taking a political stand. It is the environmentalist left who wants the Pope to take a political stand, and who thereby put their political views on par with the authority of the Church.

And, when you say you “only see defeat,” you support my point about the celebratory political nature of the reaction to the encyclical.
 
I don’t see anything there that is any different than other popes have said. For example, Pope John Paul II called for wealthier nations to forgive the debts of less developed nations.
Whether there is or is not near precedent does not change the fairly clear message of wealth redistribution. As a voluntary thing, I think that’s fine. When it comes to state compulsion, I would think you would be even more wary of it than I, since you don’t even approve of social security.

But there is no law, legal or moral, that requires consistency of any of us. Well, the tax code does, perhaps.

Regardless, I am extremely wary of any kind of international scheme to redistribute national wealth, based on the environment or anything else.
 
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