Fundamentalism and the Bible

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Hey guys, on a recent thread I was really suprised to see the majority of people posting believed that the Noah’s Ark story was a factual account. I’m not in any way being disrespectful to those who choose to believe in a fundamentalist interpretation of the Bible, but I am very interested in how many posters here take that line and why you feel like that!

Thanks in advance! 👍
 
Just as there are bible fundamentalist, there are tradition fundamentalists too… 🙂
 
Hey guys, on a recent thread I was really suprised to see the majority of people posting believed that the Noah’s Ark story was a factual account. I’m not in any way being disrespectful to those who choose to believe in a fundamentalist interpretation of the Bible, but I am very interested in how many posters here take that line and why you feel like that!

Thanks in advance! 👍
This site reflects an ultra conservative bent to be sure. There are some who adhere to a fundamentalist interpretation of the bible though it has been warned of by the Vatican.

I have been a member of 4 differerent parishes in 3 different states. In none of them have I run into this kind of interpretation. It is not taught in adult catechesis for sure. It is not what I experienced in college either from either priests or nuns who were full professors with PHD’s in theology.

This appears to not be troubling to some folks here, since they often criticize the Vatican as being unaware of the truth they have garnered. But there are plenty of folks here who recognize the story for what it is. It makes for interesting conversation.

You should be aware that the internet is not a good microcosm of the world. Both the ultra left and ultra right are highly exaggerated here. The vast vast majority are not unhappy and so don’t speak out. While I see mild evidence of conservative movement in minor things in the Church, I have not seen anything that suggests that the Church is about to take a right turn backward in time.

I’ve had the privilege of discussing this with a number of priests and religious, and I am assured that fundamentalism is not gaining any serious foothold within the Church among the clergy or religious.
 
The Bible is meant to be interpreted by the literal sense, not the literalist sense.
 
Poll: Is the whole of the Bible, every word, meant to be taken literally?
The choices provided are not corect choices. Literist would be to read the Bible as is.
To read the Bible literaly would be to read it as the author intended.
 
Poll: Is the whole of the Bible, every word, meant to be taken literally?
The choices provided are not corect choices. Literist would be to read the Bible as is.
To read the Bible literaly would be to read it as the author intended.
Eh?

:confused:
 
Choice 1 Yes, it all happened just as it is written in Genesis etc.
This is not an example of literal. this is an example of literist.
If I say “it is raining cats and dogs” I am literaly saying it is raining hard.
 
Choice 1 Yes, it all happened just as it is written in Genesis etc.
This is not an example of literal. this is an example of literist.
If I say “it is raining cats and dogs” I am literaly saying it is raining hard.
Forgive my ineptitude; I’m sure you can gauge my meaning however?

What do you think Adam?
 
I yet have to find a devout Catholic YEC creationist in my country. All the creationists know are fundangelicals (fundamentalist/evangelicas).
 
Jesus Himself almost always taught in parables, so why would the rest of the bible be any different? We are to learn what the point of the story was, not always just take the words verbatim.
 
Forgive my ineptitude; I’m sure you can gauge my meaning however?

What do you think Adam?
I could assume you’re meaning. But ya know what they say when you assume?!
Let me ask you this. How would you have asked this pole from a non-Catholic point of view? My oppinion is that it would have been worded the same. (now that I re-read what I wrote I just assumed you’re Catholic with my question)
 
It gets confusing. Literal is used in two different senses. Literal meaning actually means exactly what the writer meant. Literal to a fundamentalist means that every word, every tiddle, is exactly as God directed it to be written. The words must be taken for what they “appear” to mean, rather than what they may actually have meant to the writer. Hope this helps.
 
I yet have to find a devout Catholic YEC creationist in my country. All the creationists know are fundangelicals (fundamentalist/evangelicas).
ooh, I’m envious…fundagelical…A great abbreviation!
 

A literalist would insist that the US President must be a plant - for a bush is a plant.​

The function of the word “bush” as applied to him is not as the name of a plant, but as a proper name. Not everyone - in fact, no one - denoted by the name Green, is green; just as not all Carpenters work with wood: nouns & adjectives used as proper names do not necessarily function in the manner they would if they were not used as proper names.

The difference between a literalist sense & a literal sense is that the literalist overlooks the function of the words & of the texts in which they occur. Words have different semantic functions - what they mean in a dictionary is a poor guide to how they function in a given context. That’s why a “knuckle sandwich” is not an item of food, even though a sandwich is an item of food - “sandwich” is being used in a transferred sense. The literal meaning, the denotation, of “sandwich” is presupposed; it is the starting point of the non-literal senses of the word: it is possible to see the transferred sense only because that sense is founded on the proper sense of the word.

Literalism is not the same thing as Fundamentalism; a great deal of argument for the geographical universality of the Flood requires a non-literal understanding of tne texts. This is because they are moderns - so they cannot, & don’t, ignore meteorology & other such things of which the ancients knew little. This is why a book such as Henry Morris’ “The Genesis Flood” is packed with arguments from science - but the authors of the Flood accounts kndew nothing of cloud cover, hydrography, geological strata or any other such things. Fundamentalism distorts the texts by being so concerned that it should not be wrong, that they often empty it of the meaning it does have.

If anything, the people who read the texts with attention to the letter the larger context, are the Biblical scholars - the Fundamentalists are concerned with the literal meaning only so far as it allows them to support the inerrancy of the Bible.

Texts have different literary functions, because they belong to different literary types: some are proverbs, some are wisdom, some are mythological, some are apocalyptic, & so on. The proper sense (I think “proper” is preferable to “literal”) is that which the texts have in their own context as texts from a particular historical & cultural setting: the literal or proper sense of the Flood texts in the OT, is that which they had in their setting from which they came.
 
No, some of the stories are not meant to be taken literally such as the story of Jonah and the whale. At least that is what I believe. I would say that the Pope would likely agree that not all of the Bible is meant to be taken literally.
 
A very clear (and inexpensive) discussion on this topic can be found in Biblical Fundamentalism: What Every Catholic Should Know by Ronald D. Witherup S.S. This small book explores the subject from a Catholic perspective and also has an *imprimatur *and *nihil obstat (*in case you are ever concerned about getting your “facts” from a bunch of random strangers…)
 
Much of it is in metaphors and the Bible of today is not the same Bible of long ago, just if you start on translation differences from Greek to Hebrew to English (or some variation). Some parts are off of Jewish folk story verbal history passed down, it should not be taken literately at all. It does not mean the points of the stories are invalid but it is not a pure history book.
 
regardless of what you read the Bible, a cooking resipe what ever. The literal understanding of what is written is that of which the author is intending to convay. So we as Catholics do read the complete Bible in a literal sence. Understand that Jesus was commanding us to eat his flesh in Jn 6 is a literal understanding. Not because we do eat his flesh, but because that is what the author was trying to convay in Jn 6.
 
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