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Maybe you need to re-read my post…

I said I DOUBT it…
You referenced what I wrote and then you wrote “I doubt this is true”. I took that to mean that you were saying that what I wrote wasn’t true. To me, that’s the same as calling me a liar. Maybe that’s not what you meant, but that’s how I read it.
 
just stating the facts. nice to see the mormons here showing their true colors though with their unconditional support for polygamy, marrying underage girls, “assigning” and reassigning wives and children as if they were chattel…makes it so much easier to show just what Joseph Smith, Brigham Young and their ilk really taught. keep it up 👍
Exactly. If you want to know the real Joseph Smith, just look at Warren Jeffs.

If JS came back to earth, he would not recognize the LDS as his church. He would, however, feel right at home in the FLDS.
 
You referenced what I wrote and then you wrote “I doubt this is true”. I took that to mean that you were saying that what I wrote wasn’t true. To me, that’s the same as calling me a liar. Maybe that’s not what you meant, but that’s how I read it.
well, that is the problem with this kind of written forum… you can’t read people’s looks, gestures, etc…

I just meant that (my opinion was) that if you were actually gay, you probably would not be … the way you described…

I suppose the whole issue is moot unless you plan on turning gay?😃
 
The flds win their case. The children will be returned. Thank heavens the court saw through the travesty of justice committed by the state of texas.

Now we must all wait for the possible lawsuits against the state of texas. It should run into the millions, if the flds lawyers are smart.

And to the people on this forum who could see not see the injustice of the act by the state hopefully now can see what a futile attempt it was by texas to separate children from parents with flimsy evidence.
I guess the court has seen through the “travesty of justice”. It’s kind of funny what happens when you count your chickens before they are hatched.

See this article:
cnn.com/2008/CRIME/05/30/polygamist.order/index.html?eref=rss_topstories

Doesn’t look like any of the children that will be going back to face their abusers will be going back anytime soon. Not to mention, 25% (110) of the children removed are not even covered in the ruling.

Let’s not forget the jailhouse tapes being released of their beloved “prophet” (or is that spelled profit) admitting to his brother that he is not, and was not a prophet, and admitted to being “the most wicked man on the face of the earth in this last dispensation”
 
The TWIST the media puts on events is remarkable isn’t it?

If they can portray this situation so “off” it truly makes me wonder what other things are “off”!

We shall see!
 
just stating the facts. nice to see the mormons here showing their true colors though with their unconditional support for polygamy, marrying underage girls, “assigning” and reassigning wives and children as if they were chattel…makes it so much easier to show just what Joseph Smith, Brigham Young and their ilk really taught. keep it up 👍
I recommend you to start your own breakaway “anti-American legal system” sect:

news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7428840.stm

zerinus
 
Hello. I haven’t read all the posts so if I have missed anyone who might agree with me I apologize.

It seems in the posts I HAVE read most posters are concerned in proving the LDS or the Catholic Church wrong or right and have forgotten the children.

I would like to speak for the children, especially the young ones, ie before puberty. These children have been abruptly removed from everything they know, are familiar with and placed, to them, in hostile surroundings. Whether their parents, aunts, uncles, cousins etc. have committed crimes, this is not these young children’s fault. It is the fault of the adults of the commune who are proven to have committed such crimes of which they are being accused.

Good mental and emotional health has been proven to be present when children are allowed to remain in loving, stable homes. Whatever negativity one may have for the LDS church, I personally know that faithful upright LDS members who follow the dictates of the heads of their church, promote family first. They are the most family oriented group of people I know of. If the people of the commune show the same love for their children that those faithful to the dictates of the LDS church do to their children, then the little ones taken from the arms of their families should, in justice,be immediately returned to their rightful families.
 
Hello. I haven’t read all the posts so if I have missed anyone who might agree with me I apologize.

It seems in the posts I HAVE read most posters are concerned in proving the LDS or the Catholic Church wrong or right and have forgotten the children.

I would like to speak for the children, especially the young ones, ie before puberty. These children have been abruptly removed from everything they know, are familiar with and placed, to them, in hostile surroundings. Whether their parents, aunts, uncles, cousins etc. have committed crimes, this is not these young children’s fault. It is the fault of the adults of the commune who are proven to have committed such crimes of which they are being accused.

Good mental and emotional health has been proven to be present when children are allowed to remain in loving, stable homes. Whatever negativity one may have for the LDS church, I personally know that faithful upright LDS members who follow the dictates of the heads of their church, promote family first. They are the most family oriented group of people I know of. If the people of the commune show the same love for their children that those faithful to the dictates of the LDS church do to their children, then the little ones taken from the arms of their families should, in justice,be immediately returned to their rightful families.
I agree with your overall philosophy. I find I have question about the application of that philosophy in this case.

First, this is not LDS but FLDS, a different group.

Next, are you aware that within this cult that BABIES are placed under running water faucets until they scream and cry so that they are taught to fear their father? I mention that in relationship to your theory about a “loving stable home”.

As someone who held her first grandchild yesterday, I know that I would no doubt do violence against anyone who attempted such a thing on my granddaughter. I trust that your definition of a “loving stable home” does not include one that accepts the waterboarding of babies.
 
Since polygamy is still Mormon Doctrine, just “taken from the Earth today”, it’s really not surprising that there is at least underlying support for the practice. I’ve even heard that Mormons believe that God/Heavenly Father is polygamous. And here I thought there was just one “Heavenly Mother”. 🤷
I’ve never been able to get a straight answer about that, they always evade the question one way or the other. However, given that a man must practice polygamy in the afterlife in order to achieve the fullness of celestial glory, i.e., become a god and get his very own planet, the god of earth, by definition, would have to have multiple wives with whom to beget the spirit babies. So, yeah, it really should be heavenly mothers. Remaining mute about them, or feigning ignorance, seems pretty disrespectful.
 
I’ve never been able to get a straight answer about that, they always evade the question one way or the other. However, given that a man must practice polygamy in the afterlife in order to achieve the fullness of celestial glory, i.e., become a god and get his very own planet, the god of earth, by definition, would have to have multiple wives with whom to beget the spirit babies. So, yeah, it really should be heavenly mothers. Remaining mute about them, or feigning ignorance, seems pretty disrespectful.
I have received a straight answer which is why I can say without hesitation that polygamy is still Mormon Doctrine, just not practiced “on the earth today”. But in general, yes, Mormons tend to avoid discussing controversial topics. In this way, they can appear to be more “mainstream”. Inquirers into the faith are given very little information and the most unusual aspects of the development of Mormonism is not shared with potential converts.
 
Hello. I haven’t read all the posts so if I have missed anyone who might agree with me I apologize.

It seems in the posts I HAVE read most posters are concerned in proving the LDS or the Catholic Church wrong or right and have forgotten the children.

I would like to speak for the children, especially the young ones, ie before puberty. These children have been abruptly removed from everything they know, are familiar with and placed, to them, in hostile surroundings. Whether their parents, aunts, uncles, cousins etc. have committed crimes, this is not these young children’s fault. It is the fault of the adults of the commune who are proven to have committed such crimes of which they are being accused.

Good mental and emotional health has been proven to be present when children are allowed to remain in loving, stable homes. Whatever negativity one may have for the LDS church, I personally know that faithful upright LDS members who follow the dictates of the heads of their church, promote family first. They are the most family oriented group of people I know of. If the people of the commune show the same love for their children that those faithful to the dictates of the LDS church do to their children, then the little ones taken from the arms of their families should, in justice,be immediately returned to their rightful families.
so how loving and stable is it when women and children are “reassigned” new husbands and fathers at the whim of the leaders? what about when the older boys are exiled to ensure enough girls for the harems of the old men? what about being “assigned” to be a wife at 12? not to mention the harm of being denied education and freedom and being brainwashed out on the compound so that you lack the ability to make informed decisions?

I think the children are very much in harms way on that ranch. with all the “reassignments” and deceit about identities it’s pretty hard to tell what “families” to return them to anyway.
 
so how loving and stable is it when women and children are “reassigned” new husbands and fathers at the whim of the leaders? what about when the older boys are exiled to ensure enough girls for the harems of the old men? what about being “assigned” to be a wife at 12?.
What i would like to know is: Is there proof of this? And if so, why hasn’t anything been done? (assuming nothing much has been done… i have to admit i haven’t been following it much these days…)
 
What i would like to know is: Is there proof of this? And if so, why hasn’t anything been done? (assuming nothing much has been done… i have to admit i haven’t been following it much these days…)
yes there is proof and much of it is freely acknowledged by the perpetrators. what’s been done is the state went in and took the children. the marriages have no legal standing since polygamy is a crime. the people hide on their compound and don’t talk. so the assignments and reassignments of women and children aren’t easy to do anything about. the exile of the young men is swept under the rug as well. these polyg communities like to have their own cops and go to great lengths to hide the facts. the boys are all delinquets who “ran away” if you ask. the schools are all private and so they cover that up as well. it’s a sticky wicket. at least Texas is trying to do something. utah and arizona seem complicit. mexico and canada just ignore it.
 
The entire point about this case, why I object to it so much, is how the State of Texas stomps Parents Rights right into the ground. They tore up the FLDS families as fast as they could and now when the Texas Supreme Court has decided that they (to put it mildly) over stepped their authority, they’re dragging their feet trying to make right the great wrong they’ve done.

The judge, who ought to be impeached, was wrong in the first place and is now continuing her defiance of the law even after the Supreme Court has affirmed their previous ruling.

foxnews.com/story/0,2933,360268,00.html
 
The entire point about this case, why I object to it so much, is how the State of Texas stomps Parents Rights right into the ground. They tore up the FLDS families as fast as they could and now when the Texas Supreme Court has decided that they (to put it mildly) over stepped their authority, they’re dragging their feet trying to make right the great wrong they’ve done.

The judge, who ought to be impeached, was wrong in the first place and is now continuing her defiance of the law even after the Supreme Court has affirmed their previous ruling.

foxnews.com/story/0,2933,360268,00.html
That does pre-suppose that the “parents” who are demanding the return of their “children” are their actual parents. Since the cult reassigns wives and children, that’s not a “given” in this case.

This cult decided to do a whole lot of things that are extremely abnormal, and often those things were illegal. And they have attempted to justify all of it in the name of religion. It’s hard to have sympathy for people that defy common decency and the law of the land.
 
What? I thought you put me on your ignore list. And I was enjoying it there!

The point you bring up does not really matter. And your credibility is really hurting after you in particular (although you’re not the only one) went on a spree of demonizing the FLDS, only to have all the fantastic claims of evil and horror and abuse and rape and sexual torture tossed out by the Texas Supreme Court.

Please, put me back on your ignore list!
 
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