Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints

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grandfather said:
At a local parish some years ago there was an activist homosexual priest who was the associate pastor. This priest was the editor of a vile gay magazine. The pastor was the auxilliary bishop and did nothing to stop the man and encouraged him. A seminar was put on to promote the gay lifestyle at the parish. The bishop encouraged everyone to come.
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could you please tell me where this is going on?? I think all Catholics need to know about this…
We do have some sins and it is easy to forget about them when we are outraged over someone we see as more evil than us.
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good point…
It is an injustice that Catholics suffer the loss of their properties, because of the behavior of sick priests or bishops. Those men should be individually dealt with, tried and convicted and imprisoned.
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that is the point i also made… You can’t tell me that all 400 children were victims of physical abuse… Possible, but not likely…
They did not own the schools and churches and convents that are being sold off to pay the damages. The schools are there for the children paid for by the parents and other donors. Yet some judge decides to order financial penalities that cause these properties to be taken.
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I totally agree… I sometimes wonder if that is a way for the liberals in our government and elsewhere… to eradicate Catholicism generally…
How is that justice? Someone should pay for the damages so if you can’t get anything out of the criminal take someone elses property.
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Right… should all Catholics be punished for what one or t two perverts do…?
After WWII everyone who wore a German uniform was not executed. There were trials of individuals for crimes against humanity. Many bad guys probably got away. Everyone who was involved in supporting the Nazi regime that caused these terrible crimes, but we did not round them all up and drop bombs on them.
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What is that saying about how it is better to let several guilty people get away than for one innocent person to be found guilty of a crime he didn’t commit??
Even if a few bad ones get away with (even) murder, he/she will NOT get away with it when he/she dies… That person Will face Perfect Justice some day…
 
MelanieAnne said:
You’re right, there’s an interesting double standard isn’t there?

All these men that have such a casual attitude about polygamy need to tell us how they would feel about polyandry… 😃
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Gee, i didn’t know there was a word for it…

There is a word for woman haters ( misogyny). Is there a word for the converse?? Just wondering… have always wondered…
 
distracted said:
Gee, i didn’t know there was a word for it…

There is a word for woman haters ( misogyny). Is there a word for the converse?? Just wondering… have always wondered…
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Yeah there’s a word for the flip side of polygamy, but I’ve never known a place or time where it actually was practiced. I’m not sure how it would work 😃

As for the reverse of misogyny, if there isn’t a word, there should be because there are definitely people that fit that description, but I don’t know what it is.
 
MelanieAnne said:
Yeah there’s a word for the flip side of polygamy, but I’ve never known a place or time where it actually was practiced. I’m not sure how it would work 😃

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I can’t even deal with one… 😃

I think it has not been practiced because women are smarter than that…
 
grandfather said:
It was maybe ten years ago. Since that time there have been two new archbishops. The priest involved had a nervous breakdown and was retired after being a priest for maybe three or four years. The particular offensive meeting was taped and the tape was sent to the Wanderer and made front page headlines, so it was public knowledge. At this point it would do no good to name names again and drag the dirty laundry out again.
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I never heard of this particular case, but I subscribed the Wanderer for many years. They usually carry some very disturbing stories of abuses like this.

but I think that Grandfather has in describng this case also revealed that the Church deals with such abuses. Sometimes it takes awhile for the cleaning to take place, but it always does.

Look at Fr Curran, how long he was allowed to teach and write with authority before the Vatican finally shut him down. I thijnk this is a sign of how far our bishops will bend backward to bring the sinners back into the fold.

there never is a question (or shouldn’t be) that a priest advocating gay lifestyle is in a gravely sinful state, and if he doesn’t get with the rprogram he will sooner or later be dealt with forcefully. In the case of some of these outer sects, they actually teach a sinful lifestyle as a matter of doctrine. I just don’t see how a comparison can be made.
 
J_C said:
In the case of some of these outer sects, they actually teach a sinful lifestyle as a matter of doctrine. I just don’t see how a comparison can be made.
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It’s like how some Catholics and non-c throw the Church out with the bathwater just because of imperfect human beings. I can understand the temptation to leave the Church becasue of the behavior of some of its mmebers… what i can’t understand is yielding to tht temptation… for very long…
 
As I predicted, the lawsuits are just a breath away:

sltrib.com/news/ci_9256669

FLDS custody
Polygamous sect fathers ask judge to return seized kids
By Brooke Adams
The Salt Lake Tribune
Article Last Updated: 05/14/2008 10:52:07 AM MDT

Posted: 10:53 AM- Three FLDS fathers have asked a judge in San Antonio to return their children, saying Texas authorities acted in a “blunderbuss” fashion to remove them from a polygamous sect’s ranch.
The fathers - James Dockstader, Rulon Keate and LeLand Keate - say they all have monogamous marriages to women who were of legal age when they married. Each family lived in separate residences at the ranch and there is no evidence their children were physically or sexually abused, they say.
Their habeaus corpus petition, filed Tuesday, challenges the “illegal detention” of their children, who range in age from 1 to 9.
At least three other actions are pending before different courts in Texas that make similar arguments.
Texas officials raided the YFZ Ranch in Eldorado, Texas, beginning on April 3, after a San Angelo shelter said it had been contacted by a caller claiming to be a 16-year-old abused by her polygamous husband. The ranch is home to members of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.
While the calls are being investigated as a possible prank, child welfare officials say they found evidence of a pattern of abuse at the ranch - including sex with underage girls - that justified removal of all children. There are 464 FLDS children in Texas custody.
 
These idiots are playing all sorts of games and impeding investigations. They have only themselves to blame. They’ve been switching children between mothers, giving conflicting testimony, and wasting days and days with their depressing shenanigans.

Please don’t tell me you feel sorry for the adults here. This is all such a ruse to play upon the sympathies of a gullible public, and it’s bloody pathetic.
why_me said:
As I predicted, the lawsuits are just a breath away:

sltrib.com/news/ci_9256669

FLDS custody
Polygamous sect fathers ask judge to return seized kids
By Brooke Adams
The Salt Lake Tribune
Article Last Updated: 05/14/2008 10:52:07 AM MDT

Posted: 10:53 AM- Three FLDS fathers have asked a judge in San Antonio to return their children, saying Texas authorities acted in a “blunderbuss” fashion to remove them from a polygamous sect’s ranch.
The fathers - James Dockstader, Rulon Keate and LeLand Keate - say they all have monogamous marriages to women who were of legal age when they married. Each family lived in separate residences at the ranch and there is no evidence their children were physically or sexually abused, they say.
Their habeaus corpus petition, filed Tuesday, challenges the “illegal detention” of their children, who range in age from 1 to 9.
At least three other actions are pending before different courts in Texas that make similar arguments.
Texas officials raided the YFZ Ranch in Eldorado, Texas, beginning on April 3, after a San Angelo shelter said it had been contacted by a caller claiming to be a 16-year-old abused by her polygamous husband. The ranch is home to members of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.
While the calls are being investigated as a possible prank, child welfare officials say they found evidence of a pattern of abuse at the ranch - including sex with underage girls - that justified removal of all children. There are 464 FLDS children in Texas custody.
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why_me said:
As I predicted, the lawsuits are just a breath away:

sltrib.com/news/ci_9256669

FLDS custody
Polygamous sect fathers ask judge to return seized kids
By Brooke Adams
The Salt Lake Tribune
Article Last Updated: 05/14/2008 10:52:07 AM MDT

Posted: 10:53 AM- Three FLDS fathers have asked a judge in San Antonio to return their children, saying Texas authorities acted in a “blunderbuss” fashion to remove them from a polygamous sect’s ranch.
The fathers - James Dockstader, Rulon Keate and LeLand Keate - say they all have monogamous marriages to women who were of legal age when they married. Each family lived in separate residences at the ranch and there is no evidence their children were physically or sexually abused, they say.
Their habeaus corpus petition, filed Tuesday, challenges the “illegal detention” of their children, who range in age from 1 to 9.
At least three other actions are pending before different courts in Texas that make similar arguments.
Texas officials raided the YFZ Ranch in Eldorado, Texas, beginning on April 3, after a San Angelo shelter said it had been contacted by a caller claiming to be a 16-year-old abused by her polygamous husband. The ranch is home to members of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.
While the calls are being investigated as a possible prank, child welfare officials say they found evidence of a pattern of abuse at the ranch - including sex with underage girls - that justified removal of all children. There are 464 FLDS children in Texas custody.
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Anyone can file a lawsuit…doesn’t mean they’re going to win.

Only 3 fathers filing a petition for their children back? That just shows how much the “fathers” think of their children doesn’t it.

Besides, with all of the DNA being muddied with such close family ties, they probably can’t even figure out which child(ren) belong to them.

It’s such a shame you appear to be supporting such a warped segment of society.
 
why_me said:
As I predicted, the lawsuits are just a breath away:
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well this cannot be good news for your LDs fraternity in Utah.

lawsuits might tend to keep IN the news things that LDS leaders would prefer be kept OUT of the news.

i’m pretty sure the near universal opinion of the world is that the FlDS are a freakish cult. the obvious problem for the LDS is that most people don’t pay enough attention to know that there is a difference between FLDS and LDS, even though they share a lot of religious hisotry, a common prophet-founder, the same book of sayings, and a certain lifestyle that the one rejected in 1890 and the other broke away in order to continue.

no this is bad news indeed for the main LDS group. they shurely wish this would fade away. but it seems that lawsuits will, in the absence of other more interesting news stories during the long summer coming, keep this story on TV screens and magazines.
 
With the recent supreme court ruling in California allowing gay marriages, I am wondering if recognizing polygamous marriages isn’t too far away. It seems rather odd but the US seems to be following Canada in these things. Canada’s 2005 Civil Marriage Act legalized same-sex marriage in 8 out of the 10 provinces. Lawsuits are pending for legalizing polygamy. They have an increasing Muslim population that already practise polygamy. Most of the Muslim polygamous marrriages in Canada keep their marriages secret. In addition, there are also some Christian polygamous groups.
 
The ruling in California is interesting because it clearly illustrates the judicial activism that is going on. The voters, by a wide margin, voted in the definition of marriage a number of years ago ~ and restricted it to unions of 1 man and 1 woman. Now, in defiance of the will of the people, the Court has ruled otherwise. So the will of the people does not count, only the “wisdom” of Judges.

Actually, with this ruling, you will not only be able to marry men to men and women to women, but you will also be able to set up polygamous and polyandrous unions. You can even marry your dog. 🤷
 
hold on. the ruling won’t take effect for a month and we are already hard at work on an amendment to the state constitution that would make this ruling moot. gov. schwarzenegger may not be in favor of such an amendment but he can’t stop it if enough people vote for it.
 
majick275 said:
hold on. the ruling won’t take effect for a month and we are already hard at work on an amendment to the state constitution that would make this ruling moot. gov. schwarzenegger may not be in favor of such an amendment but he can’t stop it if enough people vote for it.
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There was a time where the (name removed by moderator) said that the will of the people was controlling on this issue. We’ll see. He has been in favor of civil unions for gays in the past, which he distinguishes from marriage. The activists will not be satisfied with anything less than marriage.

Unfortunately, we heterosexuals have done a very poor job of managing marriage. With the divorce rate so high, with serial monogamy as almost the “status quo”, and with rampant infidelity among married people, it’s hard to talk about the “sacredness” of marriage and maintain your credibility. We may not have gotten to this position if we had done a better job of it in the first place. 😦
 
MelanieAnne said:
There was a time where the (name removed by moderator) said that the will of the people was controlling on this issue. We’ll see. He has been in favor of civil unions for gays in the past, which he distinguishes from marriage. The activists will not be satisfied with anything less than marriage.

Unfortunately, we heterosexuals have done a very poor job of managing marriage. With the divorce rate so high, with serial monogamy as almost the “status quo”, and with rampant infidelity among married people, it’s hard to talk about the “sacredness” of marriage and maintain your credibility. We may not have gotten to this position if we had done a better job of it in the first place. 😦
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it’s even worse on that front. one of the main drivers used to justify restricting marriage to a man and a woman is procreation. between ABC and abortion, gay adoption, surrogates and IVF we face a tough sell even there.
 
majick275 said:
it’s even worse on that front. one of the main drivers used to justify restricting marriage to a man and a woman is procreation. between ABC and abortion, gay adoption, surrogates and IVF we face a tough sell even there.
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Which is why we should never have started down those corrupting and corrosive paths to begin with. SIGH

My Daddy once said (this was years ago, when I was still a teenager, not a Grandma-in-waiting) that there would come a generation that would be so conservative that they would put us all to shame.

From where I sit, it seems that each generation gets further and further away, as if they are almost in some sort of contest to be worse than the one before. Of course there are exceptions, but the general trend is not good. I sure would like to see that conservative generation rise up.
 
MelanieAnne said:
Now, in defiance of the will of the people, the Court has ruled otherwise. So the will of the people does not count, only the “wisdom” of Judges.
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Are you saying the Court in California says same sex marriage is OK???
Actually, with this ruling, you will not only be able to marry men to men and women to women, but you will also be able to set up polygamous and polyandrous unions. You can even marry your dog. 🤷
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Again, are you tlaking about CA? Where can i get more info??
 
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