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Are you saying the Court in California says same sex marriage is OK???
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YES, the Supreme Court in California has ruled that it is OK to give marriage licenses to gay couples. The ruling takes effect in a month.*

Again, are you tlaking about CA? Where can i get more info??
The ruling is for California, but under US law, other states also have to recognize things done in another state, so if 2 gays get married in California and then go to Texas, they’re married for Texas purposes too.
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This is all over the news, so I would check your preferred news source for more detail.*
 
The ruling is for California, but under US law, other states also have to recognize things done in another state, so if 2 gays get married in California and then go to Texas, they’re married for Texas purposes too.
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This is all over the news, so I would check your preferred news source for more detail.*
not exactly the federal law that requires each state to respect the marriage laws of other states does NOT recognize same sex marriage as valid so right now only mass and cali have this problem.
 
not exactly the federal law that requires each state to respect the marriage laws of other states does NOT recognize same sex marriage as valid so right now only mass and cali have this problem.
I believe that’s incorrect. Otherwise all those Las Vegas divorces wouldn’t be recognized in other states either, but they are. This is the very reason that those who are seeking a federal marriage amendment are seeking to change the constitution, so that states don’t have this problem.

But this is WAY off topic.
 
I believe that’s incorrect. Otherwise all those Las Vegas divorces wouldn’t be recognized in other states either, but they are. This is the very reason that those who are seeking a federal marriage amendment are seeking to change the constitution, so that states don’t have this problem.

But this is WAY off topic.
don’t mean to be difficult but here is the law :

The Defense of Marriage Act, or DOMA, is the commonly-used name of a federal law of the United States that is officially known as Pub. L. No. 104-199, 110 Stat. 2419 (Sept. 21, 1996) and codified at 1 U.S.C. § 7 and 28 U.S.C. § 1738C. The law has two effects.
  1. No state (or other political subdivision within the United States) need treat a relationship between persons of the same sex as a marriage, even if the relationship is considered a marriage in another state.
  2. The Federal Government may not treat same-sex relationships as marriages for any purpose, even if concluded or recognized by one of the states.
The bill was passed by Congress by a vote of 85-14 in the Senate[1] and a vote of 342-67 in the House of Representatives[2], and was signed by President Bill Clinton on September 21, 1996.
 
don’t mean to be difficult but here is the law :

The Defense of Marriage Act, or DOMA, is the commonly-used name of a federal law of the United States that is officially known as Pub. L. No. 104-199, 110 Stat. 2419 (Sept. 21, 1996) and codified at 1 U.S.C. § 7 and 28 U.S.C. § 1738C. The law has two effects.
  1. No state (or other political subdivision within the United States) need treat a relationship between persons of the same sex as a marriage, even if the relationship is considered a marriage in another state.
  2. The Federal Government may not treat same-sex relationships as marriages for any purpose, even if concluded or recognized by one of the states.
The bill was passed by Congress by a vote of 85-14 in the Senate[1] and a vote of 342-67 in the House of Representatives[2], and was signed by President Bill Clinton on September 21, 1996.
If that law is effective, then why seek an amendment to the Constitution?
 
This is all over the news, so I would check your preferred news source for more detail.*
i don’t watch TV much… just the news here and there… but i would actually prefer to get my news elsewhere… Even so, i will be more inclined to watch now… I supose i should make it more of a habit…
 
same reason as Cali. CA has a law just like this. the state supreme court ruled that it was unconstitutional and thus it is no more. if the US supreme court ruled the same way this federal law would be nullified. a constitutional amendment cannot be overturned by the court.
 
i don’t watch TV much… just the news here and there… but i would actually prefer to get my news elsewhere… Even so, i will be more inclined to watch now… I supose i should make it more of a habit…
There are also many internet sources for news that are tied to traditional news source. If you do a search for the subject you should find a lot of information right away.
 
same reason as Cali. CA has a law just like this. the state supreme court ruled that it was unconstitutional and thus it is no more. if the US supreme court ruled the same way this federal law would be nullified. a constitutional amendment cannot be overturned by the court.
And that’s something I have a hard time understanding about California politics. This isn’t the first time a law has been voted by the people of California only to have it be overturned by their courts.

The whole idea of a Constitution is that the government is the people’s will and so the courts don’t get the last say–it should be the people. Maybe the way they see it is that federal law trumps any Ca. law, regardless of it being the will of the people or not. But there really is no federal law, most family law is state based so again I must wonder where the Ca. court gets their authority to override the will of the people.
 
And that’s something I have a hard time understanding about California politics. This isn’t the first time a law has been voted by the people of California only to have it be overturned by their courts.

The whole idea of a Constitution is that the government is the people’s will and so the courts don’t get the last say–it should be the people. Maybe the way they see it is that federal law trumps any Ca. law, regardless of it being the will of the people or not. But there really is no federal law, most family law is state based so again I must wonder where the Ca. court gets their authority to override the will of the people.
the STATE constitution is the basis for the CA decision. the principle is the same whether state or federal though. laws cannot contradict the constitution. it is the overriding set of rules.
 
Are you saying that a public referendum is not the same as an amendment to the state constitution?
 
In California, we are supposed to have a measure on the November ballot to resolve this issue and it is supposed to have the force of an amendment to the State Constitution. I hope that’s true. If history holds, it will win by an overwhelming majority and the decision of these judges will be overturned permanently.

As to what happens in between now and then, I have no idea. I guess if you’re gay and want to get married, you should jump on the opportunity. There will be a window in between 30 days after the decision and the election where it may be legal.

What a mess.

It’s hard for me to understand why these judges would presume to substitute their judgment for the will of the people. I can only suppose that they believe in their own superiority. We still live in a democracy, but for some unknown reason, certain judges seem to believe that judicial tyranny is acceptable. Even if I were pro Gay marriage I would oppose the decision of the Court because it ignores the clearly evidenced will of the people.

Magick, thanks for bringing me up to date on the US law, I hadn’t been paying close enough attention. 🙂
 
Well the whole point that I’ve argued over 27 pages of the Catholics Forums–that the State of Texas should release the FLDS children and never should have taken them in the first place, has finally received some support. Not from any one ***here *** (other than Grandfather) of course:
Texas Appellate Court Rules Officials Did Not Have Right to Seize Polygamist Ranch Children
I’d like to do the I told you so dance at this point. It’s from Scrubs. You can find it on youtube.

But it’s not a sweet victory unless people stop hating the FLDS and I have no idea what that’ll take.
 
Well the whole point that I’ve argued over 27 pages of the Catholics Forums–that the State of Texas should release the FLDS children and never should have taken them in the first place, has finally received some support. Not from any one ***here *** (other than Grandfather) of course:

I’d like to do the I told you so dance at this point. It’s from Scrubs. You can find it on youtube.

But it’s not a sweet victory unless people stop hating the FLDS and I have no idea what that’ll take.
and yet the court did not order the release of the children. might want to tap the brakes a bit. austin is notoriously liberal and the appeals court is merely claiming insufficient evidence to warrant seizure. once it gets into what the FLDS have done to hide evidence and distort facts there may be a different story. there is also the possibility of the appeals court being overruled. the “hating” on the FLDS is because of their disgusting practices. those who would defend their alleged “right” to continue these are surely misguided. polygamy is illegal, underage marriage is illegal, the totalitarian rulership of these people is immoral and the exile of young men is despicable. who want to do dance at the possibility of teenage mothers being sent back to the harems of lecherous old men who “reassign” women and children with no regard for anyone’s rights and throw young men out on the street with a badly deficient education to eliminate competition for the girls? who would do the happy dance at that?
 
the court ruling only spoke to the children below puberty as well. it understood the arguments presented by the state to show that the harm is likely to occur when they get that age and their ruling is that younger children are not shown to be in imminent danger by that argument. they didn’t rule against anything else and even leave open the possibility that the younger children can be taken away later they just don’t see the states argument as requiring the immediate seizure of the younger children. we’ll see how this ends up.
 
We’ve been over that and over it again and I don’t dispute that the FLDS are hard to love but what the state of Texas did is even harder. I know Majick, you’ve said that you would rather take your chances with the state of Texas but just remember it’s not the FLDS who’ll send armed agents onto your private property and do what ever they want with you, your liberty, your family or you wealth.
 
We’ve been over that and over it again and I don’t dispute that the FLDS are hard to love but what the state of Texas did is even harder. I know Majick, you’ve said that you would rather take your chances with the state of Texas but just remember it’s not the FLDS who’ll send armed agents onto your private property and do what ever they want with you, your liberty, your family or you wealth.
yep. and here’s a tidbit… we already are all subject to this. the IRS has even greater powers than state CPS. the big brother argument doesn’t justify leaving the FLDS alone to me. what they are doing is illegal, immoral and unethical. they are keeping these people on the compound so that they can raise them in ignorance and duplicate Brigham youngs formula by creating a people who only know this lifestyle and believe it to be right.
 
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