Fundraiser at what expense? Really, a rodeo?

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Aussie parishes raise funds in rodeo drive

There have been discussions on fur and or hunting and some are comfortable justifying the use of fur or hunting for human use (even if other ways are available to meet that need) because of the teaching of the Catechism that says:

2417 God entrusted animals to the stewardship of those whom he created in his own image.197 Hence it is legitimate to use animals for food and clothing. They may be domesticated to help man in his work and leisure. Medical and scientific experimentation on animals is a morally acceptable practice if it remains within reasonable limits and contributes to caring for or saving human lives.

So… given the next section - can one justify rodeos?

2418 It is contrary to human dignity to cause animals to suffer or die needlessly. It is likewise unworthy to spend money on them that should as a priority go to the relief of human misery. One can love animals; one should not direct to them the affection due only to persons.

Would one say that the need to raise money justifies the pain caused animals at a rodeo? or Would one just not consider that animals suffer at a rodeo?
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The real reason why you and I clash most of the time, is I don’t question traditions, and you do. In my eyes radeos have been going on a lot longer than the 41 years I have been around, so I don’t question their legitimacy. I think that since heaven is indivdiual dwelling made by God to fit who made it there, if you and I were to make it there we still wouldn’t see eachother for eternity. My heaven would be all never changing things, with no spontanaity in it whatsoever. Yours would be justabout the opposite of mine.
 
I’m just curious…are we going to continue with animal rights threads until all the aspects are exhausted? I’m not being critical, just posing the question to those who are starting the animal rights related threads.

They’re good moral topics…hey, I’m writing my Masters thesis on such things, but if I may make an observation not many people are in the middle; opinions seem to fall on one side or another.

Why not throw in circuses with the discussion of rodeos; they’re pretty much deal with the same moral issues?
 
Newbie2 said:
I’m just curious…are we going to continue with animal rights threads until all the aspects are exhausted? I’m not being critical, just posing the question to those who are starting the animal rights related threads.

They’re good moral topics…hey, I’m writing my Masters thesis on such things, but if I may make an observation not many people are in the middle; opinions seem to fall on one side or another.

Why not throw in circuses with the discussion of rodeos; they’re pretty much deal with the same moral issues?
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Speaking only for myself - this article came across my desk and I thought it was relevant -

We can certainly continue to start discussions on animal rights issues - they do seem to be popular topics - I think people have different places where they draw the line - and for some it is one issue - for others another - sometimes it is a matter of education - or, hey I never thought of that!

Circuses - yikes that is certainly an issue especially about the elephants -

What is the topic of your thesis?
 
aspawloski4th said:
The real reason why you and I clash most of the time, is I don’t question traditions, and you do. In my eyes radeos have been going on a lot longer than the 41 years I have been around, so I don’t question their legitimacy. I think that since heaven is indivdiual dwelling made by God to fit who made it there, if you and I were to make it there we still wouldn’t see eachother for eternity. My heaven would be all never changing things, with no spontanaity in it whatsoever. Yours would be justabout the opposite of mine.
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Oh - I don’t want to clash with you - I do see we find ourselves on different sides of many issues however - but I do want to always try to communicate respectfully. And I’m trying to make it to heaven and believe you are too - with God’s help - we will both get there - and we will both be enfolded in the NEVER changing love!

I think with me - when I learn something that I think needs to be changed, because I do not believe it is reflective of how I believe we should live in this world as children of God - I want to make those changes - even if it is a ‘tradition’ - tradition alone does not make something legitimate

One could argue that at one point segregation was a tradition - obviously that was wrong and people stood up and eventually made changes that were better reflective of our understanding of our role as children of God.

Rodeos may be ‘entertaining’ to some - but IMHO it doesn’t justify the suffering -
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In 1567 Pope Pius V issued a papal bull condemning bullfighting and other forms of animal fighting for entertainment as “cruel and base spectacles of the devil” whose promoters are subject to excommunication. Pope Pius IX reiterated the 1567 bull in 1846, and Pope Pius XII cited it in 1940 in refusing to meet with a delegation of bullfighters.
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I know that Rodeos are NOT bullfighting - but the suffering of animals at a rodeo does not give dignity to us as children of our loving God, IMHO.
 
4elise said:
Oh - I don’t want to clash with you - I do see we find ourselves on different sides of many issues however - but I do want to always try to communicate respectfully. And I’m trying to make it to heaven and believe you are too - with God’s help - we will both get there - and we will both be enfolded in the NEVER changing love!

I think with me - when I learn something that I think needs to be changed, because I do not believe it is reflective of how I believe we should live in this world as children of God - I want to make those changes - even if it is a ‘tradition’ - tradition alone does not make something legitimate

One could argue that at one point segregation was a tradition - obviously that was wrong and people stood up and eventually made changes that were better reflective of our understanding of our role as children of God.

Rodeos may be ‘entertaining’ to some - but IMHO it doesn’t justify the suffering -
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I know that Rodeos are NOT bullfighting - but the suffering of animals at a rodeo does not give dignity to us as children of our loving God, IMHO.
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Keep in mind I make my post, having never been to a rodeo and not really desiring to go to one either. Just not my cup of tea. When one decides how much suffering they think is going on, they must take in to account that these animals have the intellegence that is hardly a fraction of a house pet like a dog or a cat. As far as traditions, I forgot which parent said this to me longago. If take way tradition you add chaos to society which is evil. That might be overstating it a bit, but in a society where things are going willy nilly its better to have less than perfect tradition than none at all.
 
aspawloski4th said:
Keep in mind I make my post, having never been to a rodeo and not really desiring to go to one either. Just not my cup of tea. When one decides how much suffering they think is going on, they must take in to account that these animals have the intellegence that is hardly a fraction of a house pet like a dog or a cat. As far as traditions, I forgot which parent said this to me longago. If take way tradition you add chaos to society which is evil. That might be overstating it a bit, but in a society where things are going willy nilly its better to have less than perfect tradition than none at all.
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Of course I don’t think all traditions are bad - but they are certainly not all good! 4th of July in the Park, Caroling at Christmas, special meals and baking for holidays…these are great - opportunities to be with family, celebrate religious, national holidays ---- but rodeos may be traditions for some, but there come a time when some things just need to change because society grows and recognizes something is wrong.

I do not think that we can allow the intellect of the animal to dictate how they should be treated either ---- given that this causes unnecessary suffering - I think most people respect HSUS position on animal issues and they make a pretty clear statement about this (and other animal entertainment issues where suffering is part of it: hsus.org/about_us/statements/animals_in_entertainment.html#Rodeos)
Rodeos
The HSUS opposes rodeos as they are commonly organized, since they typically cause torment and stress to animals; expose them to pain, injury, or even death; and encourage an insensitivity to and acceptance of the inhumane treatment of animals in the name of sport. Accordingly, we oppose the use of devices such as electric prods, sharpened sticks, spurs, flank straps, and other rodeo equipment that cause animals to react violently, and we oppose bull riding, bronco riding, steer roping, calf roping, “wild horse racing,” chuck wagon racing, steer tailing, and horse tripping.
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This is a bit of an aside, but I’m always pulling for the bull in the bull riding…not that I’m looking for anyone to be injured, but if someone decides to get up on a bull they deserve the stomping, goring or tossing that the bulls occasionally inflict on the riders.

I guess the money and the trophies are worth it for a lifetime of spinal and other problems 🤷
 
I don’t what Miss Elise think of how I think of animals. Currently me and my wife took in a baby kitten we are trying to find the owner of. Its too well natured and clean to be feral. It is kept in our cat carrier because the cat we own has already hissed at it and cuffed at it. We are feeding it, and holding it for some outside time. If by Tuesday we don’t find the owner or someone to take it in we will take it to a cat rescue mission here in town. We have been foreclosed on and will have a hard enough time keeping the cat we already have. I think I take a good traditional moderate perspective with animals.
 
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This is a bit of an aside, but I’m always pulling for the bull in the bull riding…not that I’m looking for anyone to be injured, but if someone decides to get up on a bull they deserve the stomping, goring or tossing that the bulls occasionally inflict on the riders.

I guess the money and the trophies are worth it for a lifetime of spinal and other problems 🤷
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I know of some small farming communities near here where that is considered initiation to manhood, still to this day.
 
aspawloski4th said:
I know of some small farming communities near here where that is considered initiation to manhood, still to this day.
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I’ll admit it does take a bit of sand to get up there and go for a ride. Very Aside: I wonder why such manhood rituals always seem to involve pain…why not make them write an essay on “World Peace” or other such thing? 😉
 
Newbie2 said:
I’ll admit it does take a bit of sand to get up there and go for a ride. Very Aside: I wonder why such manhood rituals always seem to involve pain…why not make them write an essay on “World Peace” or other such thing? 😉
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:clapping::clapping::clapping::clapping::clapping:
 
Newbie2 said:
This is a bit of an aside, but I’m always pulling for the bull in the bull riding…not that I’m looking for anyone to be injured, but if someone decides to get up on a bull they deserve the stomping, goring or tossing that the bulls occasionally inflict on the riders.

I guess the money and the trophies are worth it for a lifetime of spinal and other problems 🤷
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OK–and this is an aside too (that doesn’t even involve the mistreatment of animals)–how about boxing??? Two guys pummel each other to the point of brain damage. Why do we find this entertaining???
 
4elise said:
Aussie parishes raise funds in rodeo drive.
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Nothing wrong with raising funds for a parish, but the choice of fundraiser should be carefully considered. If there are other alternatives to the choice of a fundraiser, one that does not cause animals to suffer might be a superior choice, and more in line with Catholic teaching.
 
Newbie2 said:
I’ll admit it does take a bit of sand to get up there and go for a ride. Very Aside: I wonder why such manhood rituals always seem to involve pain…why not make them write an essay on “World Peace” or other such thing? 😉
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In places like where I mentioned world peice is a social issue and social issues are considered to concerns of women.
 
Newbie2 said:
I’ll admit it does take a bit of sand to get up there and go for a ride. Very Aside: I wonder why such manhood rituals always seem to involve pain…why not make them write an essay on “World Peace” or other such thing? 😉
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I LOVE the idea… lets start!
 
Marfran said:
Nothing wrong with raising funds for a parish, but the choice of fundraiser should be carefully considered. If there are other alternatives to the choice of a fundraiser, one that does not cause animals to suffer might be a superior choice, and more in line with Catholic teaching.
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Exactly… I can’t get my head around this one - of course when something is so ingrained in a culture no one questions it - but I think we should - oh… there goes my questioning of traditions again! 😉

And to aspawloski4th my friend, - how good of you to show such compassion to the cat when you and your family are under such financial stress - please know you are in my prayers, though that does little to change your current foreclosure situation - blessings.
 
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