Fundraiser at what expense? Really, a rodeo?

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athansor said:
So, would a dog fighting event be OK if it was a fundraiser? It would be entertainment, I imagine.

Just as a side note, back many years ago, before I had really given it a lot of though and was still an omnivore, I used to ride bulls in the women’s pro rodeo association. Looking back on it, the animals were treated horribly and I’m pretty sad to say that I was a part of that for a while.
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I have heard many stories of people who have worked or participated in industries that were/are not kind to animals–and have come to see how this is not right. I am glad to hear that you now recognise this. And it is voices such as yours that can make a real difference in the world. Some “animal” people are criticized for being sentimental or soft or being detatched from reality, but persons who have real experience in witnessing or participating in abuse, have voices that carry a lot of weight and credibility. Thank you for speaking up!!!
 
vz71 said:
OK it took me a while, but I found this thread.

So what the heck is wrong with a rodeo?
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👍 LOL, no kidding, right? :rolleyes:

first it was furs, now rodeos where NOTHING DIES or is seriously hurt! except maybe a cowboy! and I was skimming these posts and people are upset about horseracing. gimme a break. showhorses, racehorses, and rodeo livestock are some of the most well cared for, pampered animals out there! so what if they work for their keep?! people do that too! and besides, there are more horses and cattle that die living “free” by a wolf or fence or gopher hole or untreated sickness than die from injuries at an event like a rodeo or race!

IMHO I think certian people on these types of threads need to fret a little less about animal welfare and a little more about mankind. 🤷
 
just_me said:
👍 LOL, no kidding, right? :rolleyes:

first it was furs, now rodeos where NOTHING DIES or is seriously hurt! except maybe a cowboy! and I was skimming these posts and people are upset about horseracing. gimme a break. showhorses, racehorses, and rodeo livestock are some of the most well cared for, pampered animals out there! so what if they work for their keep?! people do that too! and besides, there are more horses and cattle that die living “free” by a wolf or fence or gopher hole or untreated sickness than die from injuries at an event like a rodeo or race!

IMHO I think certian people on these types of threads need to fret a little less about animal welfare and a little more about mankind. 🤷
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amen to that anything can be turned into evil if you let it. Nothing wrong in parish festival was involved in that too. 👍
 
vz71 said:
Oh I am sure a number of things were wrong with it.
The first one being the entertainment provided.
Remember this?

Seems entertainment may well be a sin too.
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I am sometimes entertain here too so guess I am sinning?:hmmm:
 
vz71 said:
It would be illegal.

Criminal behavior is covered under the CCC as well.
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Is dogfighting illegal everywhere in the US? Where I used to live, I don’t know if it was illegal or not, but it was everywhere. Cockfighting was still legal, though, and when they tried to pass a law against it, there was a lot of resistance. I’m assuming cockfighting is still legal, at least in one state in the US.

So, a legal cockfight, with some of the proceeds going to charity…problem or not?
 
vz71 said:
Oh I am sure a number of things were wrong with it.
The first one being the entertainment provided.
Remember this?

Seems entertainment may well be a sin too.
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No one is saying entertainment is sinful…just possibly entertainment that causes suffering.
 
vz71 said:
Well, 5,000 volts may be necessary to get the animal to move where we need it to.
Also, you may want to remember Ohm’s law.
It’s not the volts that gets you…its the Amps.
I suppose it all depends on the word necessary.
Without something qualifying it, necessary can readily cover our own entertainment.

So does the CCC qualify this word further?
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Not in the English edition 😉 - just
It is contrary to human dignity to cause animals to suffer or die needlessly.
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It is contrary to our dignity to cause an animal to suffer or die needlessly ---- do we really need this kind of entertainment - AND - if there is any possible issue about this should a Catholic organization use this as a fundraiser - when there are innumerable other options for fundraisers…

Did you find the thread on Henri Nouwen? - forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=383743 -

There is a web site with lots of information about this amazing Dutch priest, author, teacher - www.henrinouwen.org -
 
athansor said:
So, would a dog fighting event be OK if it was a fundraiser? It would be entertainment, I imagine.

Just as a side note, back many years ago, before I had really given it a lot of though and was still an omnivore, I used to ride bulls in the women’s pro rodeo association. Looking back on it, the animals were treated horribly and I’m pretty sad to say that I was a part of that for a while.
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I agree with Marfran - your voice, since you have participated in rodeos is important -
On the fur thread our friend who had grown up on a fur farm said the animals her family raised were not mistreated - so I imagine some might suggest that it was only the rodeo that you saw had animals that were treated horribly - what do you know about a more universal statement or information about how rodeo animals are treated.
 
Marfran said:
***Entertainment ***is never necessary.
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tweetymom said:
I am sometimes entertain here too so guess I am sinning?:hmmm:
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athansor said:
No one is saying entertainment is sinful…just possibly entertainment that causes suffering.
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vz71 said:
Nope. That was not what was said at all.
Here is the quote again.
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Marfran said:
***Entertainment ***is never necessary.
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That’s right. Entertainment is never necessary. Therefore what we choose for entertainment should be held to some very high standards. Our entertainment should cause harm to no one, no thing, should not cause damage (emotionally or physically), etc.
 
4elise said:
Simply without need.…

I can see no NEED that a rodeo could meet that could justify the suffering of animals.
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I have never been to a rodeo, so I really don’t know what goes on. But do animals actually suffer by being put in a show? Do they hit and harm the animals? 🤷

anyway…I found this on EWTN. Might not be specific to rodeos…but could be applied to aquariums.🤷

ewtn.com/vexperts/showresult.asp?RecNum=466504&Forums=0&Experts=0&Days=2009&Author=&Keyword=fishing&pgnu=1&groupnum=0&record_bookmark=10&ORDER_BY_TXT=ORDER+BY+ReplyDate+DESC&start_at=
Fishing
Question from on 04-14-2006:
My dad and I are fishermen. We don’t fish for food or out of necessity but rather for the fun of the sport. I have read in the Catholic Catechism (around 2415)that it is immoral to allow animals to suffer or die needlessly. Is the way my dad and I partake of fishing sinful? Understand, that we do not fish to hurt the fish even though that may happen unintentionally with hooks being caught or swallowed etc. Thanks for your answer.
Answer by Fr. Robert J. Levis on 04-14-2006:
Dear Joey, I think God created fish for us to eat, to catch, to sell, even to keep in a bowl where we can enjoy them swimming around and around. Of course it would be ghoulish and even immoral deliberately to inflct pain on them. God bless you, but don’t get scrupulous.Fr. Bob Levis
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Point, if you don’t like rodeos , then don’t go to one it is simple as that. I for one have been to a lot of rodeos and have enjoyed them a great deal. If you don’t like to be entertained then don’t do anything.

If you like sports (baseball, football, soccer,etc. etc.car racing) they are all dangerous and people get hurt, but do you still watch or go there?

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Marfran said:
That’s right. Entertainment is never necessary. Therefore what we choose for entertainment should be held to some very high standards. Our entertainment should cause harm to no one, no thing, should not cause damage (emotionally or physically), etc.
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:amen:

And the point… we can be entertained by many things - obviously we need to choose entertainment that is consistent with our dignity as children of God.
 
Mary_Gail_36 said:
I have never been to a rodeo, so I really don’t know what goes on. But do animals actually suffer by being put in a show? Do they hit and harm the animals? 🤷
Answer by Fr. Robert J. Levis on 04-14-2006:
Dear Joey, I think God created fish for us to eat, to catch, to sell, even to keep in a bowl where we can enjoy them swimming around and around. Of course it would be ghoulish and even immoral deliberately to inflct pain on them. God bless you, but don’t get scrupulous.Fr. Bob Levis
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tweetymom said:
Point, if you don’t like rodeos , then don’t go to one it is simple as that. I for one have been to a lot of rodeos and have enjoyed them a great deal. If you don’t like to be entertained then don’t do anything.

If you like sports (baseball, football, soccer,etc. etc.car racing) they are all dangerous and people get hurt, but do you still watch or go there?

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Since I posted the OP my point was that rodeo seemed inconsistent with Catholic teaching - therefore I can not see how a Catholic Church or school could have this as a fundraiser…

Naturally in the secular world things go on, and pass for entertainment, that are not consistent with our Church teaching

I for one don’t like to watch sports with a high propensity for people to get hurt - but people do make individual choices to participate - that is up to them. Our role in creation give us a responsibility toward animals that calls us to not cause needless pain or death… big difference.
 
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