Funeral Home Director Suing Archdiocese For Interfering With His Business

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I think a complete ban on the Funeral Home in the Arch-Diocese is in order since the parish is following Vatican guidelines.
 
I don’t know how any reasonable judge can let this suit stand since it would involve in interference in religious practices determined by the Church.

Of course, in some places, you’d know that a judge there would find a way to uphold the lawsuit.
 
I’m not really certain why this funeral director is suing…apparently the funeral director thinks he is in charge of the funeral Mass and who can have one!

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I read it as going against rules which could be seen as judgmental during a time of intense grief for family members. The funeral director is taking a broader, non-judgmental approach to ease the grief of the family. The last thing a family needs during this time of grief is a point by point lecture list of “evils” of their recently deceased which may not allow them to have certain rights. This is the difference in opinion that I see.

Personally, I think the funeral director has the better approach here, as you need compassion during times of grieving and not a reiteration of the church legalities.
 
Personally, I think the funeral director has the better approach here, as you need compassion during times of grieving and not a reiteration of the church legalities.
The funeral home can plan whatever takes place at the funeral home. But the funeral director doesn’t have authority over what happens in the Church.

The vigil service is a good place for all the creativity, eulogies, music, slide shows, and anything else the family wants. The funeral Mass itself is something different. Its purpose is not so much to celebrate the person who has died as to pray for him or her and aid in the process of letting go.

My mother died six months ago so I have just recently been through this kind of planning. For the Mass, I selected the readings from a list of recommended readings and music that was meaningful and coordinated with the readings. For the vigil service I selected other readings that I liked, that fit with my mother, and that were appropriate for non-Catholic members of the family to read. There was a short eulogy from one of the members of the family. I thought the vigil was beautiful, but it was of a very different nature than a Mass.

It’s funny how people who have no authority think they should be able to tell the church what to do during Masses or other rites. In this case it’s the funeral director, in other cases it’s a wedding director. But in neither case do they actually have any say over what happens inside the church.
 
It’s funny how people who have no authority think they should be able to tell the church what to do during Masses or other rites. In this case it’s the funeral director, in other cases it’s a wedding director. But in neither case do they actually have any say over what happens inside the church.
Amen to that!! How bizarre that any funeral director would think they have a right to says what goes on in Mass.
 
I am related to a Funeral Director. Whatever the family wants to do as far as eulogies, poems, songs, sharing stories etc., etc. is done at the visitation either on the morning of the funeral or the night before. If I remember, the same kind of policy was put in place a couple of years ago where the funeral home is. There was no problem what so ever. Most people are very comfortable with memoralizing at the visitation. I don’t think it would have even crossed his mind to give the churches a hard time, let alone trying to take them to court.:rolleyes: It’s really pretty crazy! I will email this article to him…he’s going to get a kick out of it.
 
I’m not really certain why this funeral director is suing…apparently the funeral director thinks he is in charge of the funeral Mass and who can have one!

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If all the details, such as, the Masses; the burials in a Catholic cemetery (consecrated grounds);and the deceased being a Catholic “in good standing” ; the Church has the authority…NOT the funeral directors.

Otherwise Hindus, Buddhists, Jehova Witnesses would take over consecrated grounds because of unprincipled funeral homes.

Imagine a funeral director scheduling a Mass for a Hindu…let’s get real.
 
The funeral home can plan whatever takes place at the funeral home. But the funeral director doesn’t have authority over what happens in the Church.
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Yet the dispute goes over a strict interpretation of the rules. It is fair to assume that the guidelines were followed but had a fair amount of grey area for grieving.
The new policy, which Leger outlined in a 10-page letter to funeral directors, strictly enforces church law and liturgical practices that limit such things as the types of readings, music and eulogies at funeral Masses.

The policy distributed by Leger specifies that a funeral Mass is not allowed for “notorious apostates … heretics … schismatics … and other manifest sinners” who did not repent before death.
Also, it says, a deceased person who had long avoided Mass will be denied a funeral Mass but allowed a rite of Christian burial. “Since they chose not to attend Mass in life they should not be compelled to attend Mass in death,” the policy said; the restriction doesn’t apply to those who couldn’t attend for such reasons as a prolonged illness.
The latter two paragraphs brings in so much unnecessary suffering for family members. To be strict comes off as being very cold hearted by the Church to family members in their time of suffering. That time of grieving is not the time to take out an arbitrary checklist and judge the person (sometimes harshly we can assume by what we know of the policy). It serves no purpose to the Church, the grieving and the deceased at this juncture in their lives.

What we see is a battle of wills here. What is needed is what happens at most parishes, meeting in the middle. There are minor things in many Funeral Masses which are small but often very compassionate to the families. The official rules are given some leeway to help reduce the grief of the families as dotting every i and crossing every t can be counterproductive in the healing process of family members.
 
What we see is a battle of wills here. What is needed is what happens at most parishes, meeting in the middle. There are minor things in many Funeral Masses which are small but often very compassionate to the families. The official rules are given some leeway to help reduce the grief of the families as dotting every i and crossing every t can be counterproductive in the healing process of family members.
What are some of the things that consist of “dotting every i and crossing every t” that hurt the family members?
 
What are some of the things that consist of “dotting every i and crossing every t” that hurt the family members?
Look at the middle paragraph I posted. A harsh interpretation of any one of those could almost be slander after death for the deceased. The last thing the family wants is to hear how horrible their recently deceased was.

Also I know of cases where even today some priests turn away funerals from people who committed suicide. That policy was changed in 1983 so it can be done. When the family heard that the priest (post-83) was refusing mass on a harsh, cold ground like that it was very devastating to the family already suffering.

Any matters related to funerals need to have lots of compassion or it hurts the grieving even more. Yes the guidelines are there, but they are just that guidelines and compassion and humanity on all sides is what is remembered long after everything is done.
 
I think there’s a balancing act between compassion for the family and the integrity of the Church. It would indeed be hard (now there’s an understatement!) for a grieving family to hear that their loved one couldn’t have a funeral Mass. On the other hand, if denial of funeral Masses was happening regularly, then I’m sure we’d hear about those “mean” priests who weren’t allowing Masses. And, of course, there’s no requirement for a Mass; one of the things deacons can do is preside at a funeral liturgy without a Mass.

To get back to the point of this thread, I can’t see how it could possibly be up to the funeral director to make these decisions. The funeral director couldn’t compel the priest to celebrate Mass if the priest said no. Whether we think the priest is being “pastoral” with the family in a particular situation or not, it’s ultimately his decision to make.
 
To get back to the point of this thread, I can’t see how it could possibly be up to the funeral director to make these decisions. The funeral director couldn’t compel the priest to celebrate Mass if the priest said no. Whether we think the priest is being “pastoral” with the family in a particular situation or not, it’s ultimately his decision to make.
What normally happens is they should ideally work together. We can assume that is not happening in this case in the linked story. My impression from the story is the priest seems to be taking all of the control for himself and not work professionally with the funeral director. Most disagreements like this should be able to be worked through without a lawsuit being filed. It is true the priest has the final say but that responsibility has to be used properly, otherwise he is not living up to the standards of grief ministry.
 
I read it as going against rules which could be seen as judgmental during a time of intense grief for family members. The funeral director is taking a broader, non-judgmental approach to ease the grief of the family. The last thing a family needs during this time of grief is a point by point lecture list of “evils” of their recently deceased which may not allow them to have certain rights. This is the difference in opinion that I see.

Personally, I think the funeral director has the better approach here, as you need compassion during times of grieving and not a reiteration of the church legalities.
I can’t see how the funeral director has any valid point at all.

There is nothing “judgmental” in observing Church laws and directives. The real question is why does he, and others, think they have more authority in these matters than the Church?
 
I can’t see how the funeral director has any valid point at all.

There is nothing “judgmental” in observing Church laws and directives. The real question is why does he, and others, think they have more authority in these matters than the Church?
Boy, oh boy…I hope the judge tosses this one out the window…and the funeral director’s attitude as well. In our diocese you also need to obtain from the church a burial permit if the person will be buried in a Catholic cemetery…there is one director who just prints his own in violation of the diocese’s rules too. I just don’t get their arrogance of church regulations. One funeral director said that all directors should be automatically grandfathered as “deacons” so they can circumvent the church entirely…yeesh!
 
Good grief! This guy is a real piece of work, isn’t he?

I dealt with the funeral home when my mom and later my dad died. The funeral director was never involved in planning anything that had to do with the Church. I regularly deal with the two funeral directors in this town and they don’t do any ‘planning’ either. They usually call us to see what the family has decided with regards to the funeral.
 
Yet the dispute goes over a strict interpretation of the rules. It is fair to assume that the guidelines were followed but had a fair amount of grey area for grieving…

The latter two paragraphs brings in so much unnecessary suffering for family members. To be strict comes off as being very cold hearted by the Church to family members in their time of suffering. That time of grieving is not the time to take out an arbitrary checklist and judge the person (sometimes harshly we can assume by what we know of the policy). It serves no purpose to the Church, the grieving and the deceased at this juncture in their lives.

What we see is a battle of wills here. What is needed is what happens at most parishes, meeting in the middle. There are minor things in many Funeral Masses which are small but often very compassionate to the families. The official rules are given some leeway to help reduce the grief of the families as dotting every i and crossing every t can be counterproductive in the healing process of family members.
The article addressed what you are saying here when it said this:
…"Also, it says, a deceased person who had long avoided Mass will be denied a funeral Mass but allowed a rite of Christian burial. “Since they chose not to attend Mass in life they should not be compelled to attend Mass in death,” the policy said; the restriction doesn’t apply to those who couldn’t attend for such reasons as a prolonged illness.
Personally, I think Fr. Leger made it very clear when he said this:
"For families who oppose that restriction, "the remedy is clear
… “choose another church.”
 
The article addressed what you are saying here when it said this:
…"Also, it says, a deceased person who had long avoided Mass will be denied a funeral Mass but allowed a rite of Christian burial. “Since they chose not to attend Mass in life they should not be compelled to attend Mass in death,” the policy said; the restriction doesn’t apply to those who couldn’t attend for such reasons as a prolonged illness.
Personally, I think Fr. Leger made it very clear when he said this:
"For families who oppose that restriction, "the remedy is clear
… “choose another church.”
And this is a cold interpretation of the official rules which will make many a grieving family member upset. It goes against the purpose of grief ministry. There are rules on paper and there are the application of the rules in real life with real people.
 
And this is a cold interpretation of the official rules which will make many a grieving family member upset. It goes against the purpose of grief ministry. There are rules on paper and there are the application of the rules in real life with real people.
We are talking about real people here, they do make exceptions, it addresses that clearly. Why would you insist that everyone ought to just pretend that the deceased would have wanted to have a Catholic Mass when they didn’t attend them while living?
They make a provision for the family with the rite of Christian burial. They ought not to be the one’s who are in the position of explaining this to the family, the family ought to already understand this, shouldn’t they?
 
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