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netmilsmom
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That’s for the Apologetics forum and I’m not going to get into it here.
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Catholics understand my meaning.
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MariaG
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Hi,
We attend a Novus Ordo Mass. We have never attended a TLM mass. AGAIN, his comments and perception had nothing to do with the liturgy and everything to do with the decorations and singing which reminded him of the Protestant Churches we attended for 8 years of his life.
Our Church has not be “redecorated” into the more stark and modern look so although we have a NO Mass it still has all the stained glass, statues and such.
This thread, which has been stated several times, was not about mistaking the LITURGY for a Protestant mass, but believing he was in a Protestant church based on the look of it and wanting to make sure he did not recieve communion in a Protestant Church. I suggest you actually read a little more of a thread before you decide to give advice.
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MariaG
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Apparently not a good number of them. I do like the NO although I have no comparison at all. It is all I have attended, (except for vague memories when I was 4?, all those lovely hats
). But I can’t imagine not liking the NO even if I came to love the TLM. Both have Christ and that is the important part no matter what the decor or singing are like and I can’t imagine ever not liking anything where my Lord is present.
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MariaG
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Cincy
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Many of I parishes I attended were small rural churches with little “decoration” except curcifix and tabernacle with no organ. Would your son also think these were protentant? As a former CCD teacher, I would hope a 14 year child would know what a Mass is, even if they do not know what a protestant service is like. In my reading the posts many of the people that thought this was funny also dislike the NO Mass.
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Many of I parishes I attended were small rural churches with little “decoration” except curcifix and tabernacle with no organ. Would your son also think these were protentant? As a former CCD teacher, I would hope a 14 year child would know what a Mass is, even if they do not know what a protestant service is like. In my reading the posts many of the people that thought this was funny also dislike the NO Mass.
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rr1213
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Hey, just responding to your post.
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MariaG
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Is the tabernacle hidden or in an obvious place? If he saw a tabernacle, he would probably assume it was just a boringly decorated Catholic Church, especially after his current experience even though we too are a small rural town of 6,000.
Again, Cincy, this question he asked was quite early on in Mass. And even IF the question would have been right before communion, I imagine his question, if he still had it, would have been along the lines of “I didn’t know the Protestant service was so much like Mass! But I still don’t take communion right?”
Just because a 14 year old knows what is in the Mass, does not mean he would know what is NOT in a Protestant service. Or do you expect a 14 year old to know that too
As for who finds it funny, I did and I have never actually even gone to a TLM mass. I enjoy the NO Mass. In fact, my signature has so far brought me a paranoid reaction in this forum from some, assuming I am being “snarky” when no intent was by me. It seems to me that there is more of a reaction AGAINST the traditionalist, in this thread/forum rather than a reaction to the content of the posts. I am starting to see that just because someone is paranoid, it doesn’t mean people aren’t out to get them.
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netmilsmom
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- Well did those small rural churches have the crucifix displayed and the tabernacle where one can see it?
Without having to search? - “I would hope…” seems pretty hoity-toity of you. Lets look at this situation. My children have never been to a Protestant service, but have seen them on tv. My parish has statues, stained glass windows and candles. I could reasonable see my own children asking about where they were when Holy Mass began because a pedestrian looking church and a Holy Mass without the smells and bells would be totally foreign to them. You may have taught CCD but perhaps you have not dealt with children who were taken from a Historically Catholic parish and go to a modern parish. It’s like entering a spaceship to them, totally different from what they know.
- I have attended ONE TLM. I love the NO.
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paramedicgirl
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Threre is a church about 3 hours from here whose parishioners were very upset because the priest put the Tabernacle in the closet after arguing with some of the people. He left it there for a good long time, until people started leaving to go elsewhere. Now the Tabernacle is back in the Church for Sunday Masses, and moved to the side chapel for weekdays. I believe there were letters written to Rome about his actions. It’s against forum rules to say where the church is, but we had the priest for four years, and I can testify to his temper!.
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MariaG
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Exactly! It is not about teaching children tolerance for anything. It is about children making mistakes in an effort to be the best Catholic Christian they can be.
While I DID find it funny that he thought it was a Protestant Church based on the decorations and singing, I am extremely proud of him that he was paying attention enough and concerned enough AND knowledgable enough to confirm that he should not take communion in what he thought was a Protestant Church.
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paramedicgirl
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Maria, I took my eleven year old daughter to the TLM in Calgary twice. Several times now, she has remarked to me out of the blue, with no prompting on my part, that the NO is lacking in beauty and reverence compared to what she experienced at the TLM. Children are just as observant as adults, it seems, don’t you think? Maybe even more perceptive.
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MariaG
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Yes, I do think kids are very perceptiveMaria, I took my eleven year old daughter to the TLM in Calgary twice. Several times now, she has remarked to me out of the blue, with no prompting on my part, that the NO is lacking in beauty and reverence compared to what she experienced at the TLM. Children are just as observant as adults, it seems, don’t you think? Maybe even more perceptive.
.One of the things my son commented on after Mass was he wondered why the church seemed want to “hide” everything that identified it as Catholic. His words.
The tabernacle was hidden in a safe like hole in the wall that appeared to be a picture on the wall. The altar servers were not dressed in robes. No statues of saints readily visible ones (at all?).
My mom was able to talk to him why some decorate like that now, or at least the explanation that was given to her. That things like altar rails and statues of saints place a false sense of a barrier between us and God. He understood the reasoning even though he disagreed that statues of saints did that. (No experience with altar rails so no opinion on that)
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He sounds like a very bright boy.Yes, I do think kids are very perceptive
One of the things my son commented on after Mass was he wondered why the church seemed want to “hide” everything that identified it as Catholic. His words.
The tabernacle was hidden in a safe like hole in the wall that appeared to be a picture on the wall. The altar servers were not dressed in robes. No statues of saints readily visible ones (at all?).
My mom was able to talk to him why some decorate like that now, or at least the explanation that was given to her. That things like altar rails and statues of saints place a false sense of a barrier between us and God. He understood the reasoning even though he disagreed that statues of saints did that. (No experience with altar rails so no opinion on that)
And he’s clearly been taught his catechism, too.
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MariaG
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Thanks! I truly appreciate those words.He sounds like a very bright boy.
Especially since I have been having a little trouble with my Mama Bear instincts with those who have said things like he needs to pay attention, doesn’t understand Mass well enough, or be taught tolerance for making a mistake based on the decorations and singing of a Church
I’d say he was paying really good attention and was focused on what he was supposed to be! Once he realized his mistake, he was the one who “found” the tabernacle based on the candle. I was looking everywhere but did not notice the candle that always stay lit by Christ. He did.
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paramedicgirl
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Looking for the red candle is one of the things we teach them in catechism to be able to identify where the Tabernacle is. One really bright boy told the class that the red candle is never lit on Good Friday, and not to use that method *every *day of the year!Thanks! I truly appreciate those words.
Especially since I have been having a little trouble with my Mama Bear instincts with those who have said things like he needs to pay attention, doesn’t understand Mass well enough, or be taught tolerance for making a mistake based on the decorations and singing of a Church
I’d say he was paying really good attention and was focused on what he was supposed to be! Once he realized his mistake, he was the one who “found” the tabernacle based on the candle. I was looking everywhere but did not notice the candle that always stay lit by Christ. He did.
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ctos
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It took a child to say ‘the emperor has no clothes’! 
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jmcrae
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We also don’t have to genuflect on Good Friday, since Jesus isn’t in the Tabernacle on that day. That’s why they extinguish the red lamp - so that we know that Jesus isn’t there.Looking for the red candle is one of the things we teach them in catechism to be able to identify where the Tabernacle is. One really bright boy told the class that the red candle is never lit on Good Friday, and not to use that method *every *day of the year!
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MariaG
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Does anyone ever “forget” and do it anyway or are they so focused on what they are there for they remember and don’t genuflect? Guess that would be a question for a new thread but its my thread so…
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jmcrae
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Me.
(Wasn’t my fault; the person in front of me did it, too, and I just automatically copied her. 
)One year I actually remembered not to, and these little old ladies kept giving me these dirty looks, for not doing it.or are they so focused on what they are there for they remember and don’t genuflect? Guess that would be a question for a new thread but its my thread so …
I even remembered to bow towards the Altar, that time!!
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MariaG
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For me it’s one of those things I always think about beforehand but when the “moment” comes, I totally forget.Me.
One year I actually remembered not to, and these little old ladies kept giving me these dirty looks, for not doing it.
I even remembered to bow towards the Altar, that time!!
That’s what you get for remembering:tsktsk:- Status