Funny thing my 14 year old thought

[Joysong]

Karin:

Now in regards to our Churchs/masses looking like a Protestant Mass/Church…I have to agree that some of the newer churchs do reflect this.

It appears that you missed the message as well.

"Many Holy Masses in my area are very close to the Lutheran church up the street. And no I am not exagerating. "

My post was not critiquing the appearance of a church, but the denigrating of a sacred liturgy, based on two churches, and personal perception.

Prior to moving to the East side, I lived in the West side where I observed not only my own parish, but that of many family members throughout the area. None of the assertions about the mass being Lutheran is accurate, and I stand by my request to avoid this depiction as a generality.

 

[Karin]

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.Well apparently, although our church has a NO mass, we don’t “look” like many NO parishes who have redecorated, as well as we don’t have the same kind of singing, because my son whispered and asked “I shouldn’t have communion, right?” When I inquired why not, he said “well you said I shouldn’t have communion in a Protestant Church”"

I laughingly told this was a Catholic Church. He then asked if it was an old church. I said no, why do you ask? He said, "Well, it is just so boring. Hardly any pictures or statues

I guess that is what happens when you have a mostly retired parish, things “look and sound” more like a more Traditional Church. I think next time we go visit my mom we will have to attend a TLM for my son to experience and see which our church seems more like to him

Anyway, I thought you all here might enjoy hearing that my son thought a modern church with a NO mass was mistaken for a Protestant service by my son

God Bless,
Maria

It appears that you missed the message as well.

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Nope from the OP’s FIRST post I got the message…
And I totally agree with the message that the OP is making!

 

[MariaG]

I have been silent for months observing comments like these, but I believe it may be time to speak out.

As long as you are speaking out on the current comments in this thread as per forum rules.

Don’t jump threads. If you get involved in an argument in one thread, it’s considered poor manners to restart the previous argument in the middle of an unrelated thread. Also, if the moderator closes a thread, consider the subject closed and do not begin it anew in another thread.

Yes you are exaggerating and depicting the sacred liturgies in this area as being deficient and Protestant.

Where did Netmil(name removed by moderator) say that the sacred liturgy was deficient?

She was commenting on the symbolism. And it is true that many churches are choosing the stark, modern bare minimum look. This look is very similar to the look that Protestants choose to decorate with.

There are many different levels one can comment on when discussing this. Netmil(name removed by moderator) choose to lament the fact that these churches have lost their “Catholic flavor” simply by their outward appearance.

Now many Traditionalist Catholics feel, as well as my 14 year old son who has never even been to a TLM, that part of the majesty, and awe of the outward appearance of a church, help on focus on the majesty and awe of God, for as beautiful as a building is, it is only a bare reflection of God Himself.

Awe and wonder are gifts of the Holy Spirit. We can foster those gifts or not. For many, the beautiful decorated churches help to foster that gift from God.

I personally lived in St. Clair Shores since 1965, and know well many of the churches in the east side. Though my parish was there, I taught CCD in Roseville. Many of my friends whom I met in bible study belonged to other parishes, so we naturally attended their church on occasion as we gathered together.

This is only your perception, Netm, and you promote it as dogma, giving misconceptions to others continuously. This has to stop! PLEASE! For the love of the Lord and His Church! You need to get a grip on the terrible harm you are doing

Promote what as dogma? That the Churches “look” Protestant? Where is the terrible harm in lamenting the bare stark decorations in a Catholic Church?

While Netmil(name removed by moderator) MAY in fact feel that the liturgy in a NO mass is deficient, where in this thread has she said so?

This thread has been from the outset, about the appearance of the Church and not the liturgy.

 

[Karin]

This thread has been from the outset, about the appearance of the Church and not the liturgy.

See I thought I got the point…but thanks for this…now I know that I got the point of the thread!

 

[Joysong]

"Many Holy Masses in my area are very close to the Lutheran church up the street. And no I am not exagerating. "

No, it was not a matter of symbolism or appearance, but of the very liturgy itself, and not only in this thread, but in many other posts. I mentioned that I have been silent for “months.” No need to pull the posts to prove a point, which is still being overlooked with a spin to ignore the request to refrain from denigrating the sacred liturgy of other CATHOLIC parishes.

If you don’t wish to hear, and prefer to spin it, well, as I said, we can expect to see more of the same. :crying:

 

[netmilsmom]

Prior to moving to the East side, I lived in the West side where I observed not only my own parish, but that of many family members throughout the area. None of the assertions about the mass being Lutheran is accurate, and I stand by my request to avoid this depiction as a generality.

Please point out where I said the mass was Lutheran. I said, very close. That means not exact. They do not have Our Lord truly appearing at their services and I have no clue why you would assume that.

Okay, I’ll play the oneupmanship game.
I’ve lived in Brook Park, Ohio, Berea, Ohio, Redford, MI and where I live now.
My father was a salesman so we traveled. His territory ran from IL over to the East Coast from Upstate NY down to SC. I’ve been to Holy Mass in Steubenville and God willing, will be there again. I was even in a parish in Sydney, NSW.
My hubby lived in WA, CA, OR, SC, NC, Japan and Korea, attending Protestant services all the way. He knows what a Protestant service looks like and can easily compare it with what he sees at the “Catholic Community” and what he sees at our parish.

I get from your posts that you have lots of friends, so do I! Some Catholic, some not. I’ve been in lots of parishes too, but none of this is either here nor there. It’s about the parishes in my vicariate.

But where you don’t have an advantage is you do not have either one of our experiences. You can paint broadbrush generalizations about my area and how solemn the Lutherans are or how pious the Catholics are, but to the untrained eye, the local Lutheran service is as solemn as the Holy Mass at the Catholic community. Add in there that one is hard pressed to find statues or a crucifix (until this year) at the Catholic Community. And the problem is that the Catholic Community does not teach their parishioners to have a trained eye.

Most people on this board understand Our Lord being at our Holy Mass, but those who are getting “feel good Christianity” instead of solid Catechesis do not.

THAT is the point.

Once Maria’s son looked around and found the tabernacle at the parish, he then knew where he was.

Pitifully, some have no clue to even look.

Now on a happier note. Can we please get back to the Catholic jokes?
My wonderful pastor (God Bless Him and grant him long life) is coming to dinner and I’m going to wow him with my humor. (right)

 

[MariaG]

No, it was not a matter of symbolism or appearance, but of the very liturgy itself, and not only in this thread, but in many other posts. I mentioned that I have been silent for “months.” No need to pull the posts to prove a point, which is still being overlooked with a spin to ignore the request to refrain from denigrating the sacred liturgy of other CATHOLIC parishes.

If you don’t wish to hear, and prefer to spin it, well, as I said, we can expect to see more of the same. :crying:

Again, as per forum rules, one is supposed to confine themselves to THIS thread.

And nowhere in this thread has Netmil(name removed by moderator) denigrated the sacred liturgy.

You months of silence are apparently making it difficult to read what was written in THIS thread. The only denigration about Mass in this thread has been from those who lack a sense of the ridiculous.

We are allowed to find humor even in sad situations

 

[MariaG]

Now on a happier note. Can we please get back to the Catholic jokes?
My wonderful pastor (God Bless Him and grant him long life) is coming to dinner and I’m going to wow him with my humor. (right)

Yes, that was the INTENT of this thread. To discuss the more humorous aspects.

Unfortunately, I am jokeless

 

[maurin]

And nowhere in this thread has [anyone] denigrated the sacred liturgy.

We are allowed to find humor even in sad situations

both statements are a matter of perspective. Intentions or not, it is a matter of perspective.

For example, on the day of my father’s funeral at the extended family’s burial plots, my great-aunt slipped and fell INTO my father’s grave. When lifted out, she said, “I know I’m destined for this ground, but I did not think it would be so soon!”

 

[paramedicgirl]

I would think that the “bigger” picture here is that some posters prefer that some folks not use “cute” nicknames when speaking to them…why some have an issue grasping that fact I will never understand…I will also never understand why some folks feel that they need to keep going round and round on this…she wants to be called NETMIL(name removed by moderator)…not MOM not NET not NM or whatever else you can think of…
Did I get that right Netmil(name removed by moderator)??

Now in regards to our Churchs/masses looking like a Protestant Mass/Church…I have to agree that some of the newer churchs do reflect this.
I have attended over 10 parishes in 5 different states…many times I have walked into the CHurch and really had to ponder if this was a Catholic CHurch or some other faiths church…
I as a Catholic should not have to wonder if the church I am in is a Catholic one!
(this is just my humble opinion!)

Karin!

 

[netmilsmom]

For example, on the day of my father’s funeral at the extended family’s burial plots, my great-aunt slipped and fell INTO my father’s grave. When lifted out, she said, “I know I’m destined for this ground, but I did not think it would be so soon!”

God LOVE your great-aunt!!!
Oh I laughed out loud at that.

That kind of reminds me of my sister. She has always had kind of a warped sense of humor.

My Dad (God rest his soul) lost a long bout with Cancer and Our Lord took him home.
My poor Mother was a basket case so each of the children had a job to do with arrangements.
My sister was in charge of finding a headstone. Where does one look for a headstone? Yellow pages are the best bet so she got the Yellowbook and took it to a phone upstairs.

About 15 minutes later she came back to tell my Mom that it was all taken care of. She described the stone and the very reasonable cost.

My mom asked, "Where did you get it from?
Sis said, “Sears”

My mom looked at her puzzled and said, “SEARS?”

My sister replied, “Yeah, you know, there’s more for your life at Sears!”

(She also wanted to get Daddy a t-shirt from the gift shop at the Hospital where he died. She thought it would be a great one for him to wear in the casket. It said, “I got better at Southwest General Hospital”)

 

[netmilsmom]

Unfortunately, I am jokeless

You can have this one!

The Beginning of Life
In a recent Round-table Discussion Group the question was asked of the Ministerial Panel, at what point does life begin.
The Catholic Priest spoke first and said “At conception, of course!”
The Presbyterian Minister said “No, no, it’s certainly begins at birth.”
The United Minister tried to buffer the obvious argument point and suggested “Perhaps you’re both wrong, and it’s a compromise in that the fetus is not functional with a heartbeat until the third month”.
They had to prod the Jewish Rabbi for his answer, and he finally leaned forward to his mike and spoke softly “All of my friends here are wrong. Life begins when the last child leaves home and the dog they left behind dies!”

 

[Semper_Fi_1]

Hi,

I went to visit my mom this weekend and we attended her new parish, Catholic, for the first time. I had just had a converstation with my 14 year old about not recieveing communion in a Protestant Church.

Well apparently, although our church has a NO mass, we don’t “look” like many NO parishes who have redecorated, as well as we don’t have the same kind of singing, because my son whispered and asked “I shouldn’t have communion, right?” When I inquired why not, he said “well you said I shouldn’t have communion in a Protestant Church”

I laughingly told this was a Catholic Church. He then asked if it was an old church. I said no, why do you ask? He said, “Well, it is just so boring. Hardly any pictures or statues.”

I guess that is what happens when you have a mostly retired parish, things “look and sound” more like a more Traditional Church. I think next time we go visit my mom we will have to attend a TLM for my son to experience and see which our church seems more like to him

Anyway, I thought you all here might enjoy hearing that my son thought a modern church with a NO mass was mistaken for a Protestant service by my son

God Bless,
Maria

I, myself, think that this holier than thou attitude is the reason a lot of people do not wish to be Traditionalists or become more involved with the Church, period.

I don’t think you can compare the Mass to ANY Protestant service, whether it be the Novus Ordo or any other liturgy/rite of the Catholic Church. Are there similarities of the Novus Ordo to other Protestant services? Yes. Maybe that is because the Protestant services copied ours into the vernacular, even though it was our tradition to have vernacular liturgies since the Christian emancipation in the Roman Empire?

I don’t think this is funny at all – and you should probably teach your son to respect all liturgies of the Catholic Church, because as long as we are with Peter, the rock, that is all that matters and Christ’s presence is there in the Tabernacle of a Novus Ordo Mass as well.

 

[historyb]

Well a duja vu thread, who would of thunk it? Here on one side finding humor in what a teen said and here are the NO’s on the other side being all dour. tsck, tsck.

It is funny, funny sad that the NO has wrecked it’s havoc far and wide to remind one of a protestant service just to be PC and ecumenical, how far we have fallen. Those that like the NO can’t even laugh at themselves.

 

[paramedicgirl]

Well a duja vu thread, who would of thunk it? Here on one side finding humor in what a teen said and here are the NO’s on the other side being all dour. tsck, tsck.

It is funny, funny sad that the NO has wrecked it’s havoc far and wide to remind one of a protestant service just to be PC and ecumenical, how far we have fallen. Those that like the NO can’t even laugh at themselves.

That’s OK, though. We can laugh enough for everybody.

 

[maurin]

Well a duja vu thread, who would of thunk it? Here on one side finding humor in what a teen said and here are the NO’s on the other side being all dour. tsck, tsck.

It is funny, funny sad that the NO has wrecked it’s havoc far and wide to remind one of a protestant service just to be PC and ecumenical, how far we have fallen. Those that like the NO can’t even laugh at themselves.

Many “Traditionalists” don’t give “them” the chance to. Neither do many “Traditionalists” listen to what “they” are saying. The same is true for the other side. There are a great many people who stick with the NO because of the wagon train in a circle mentality that is very very evident among many many Traditionalists on this forum.

I would have been a Traditionalist years ago if it weren’t for many of the Traditionalists I have met. This journey began for me about 7 years ago. 7 years! And I’m only now seriously considering attending a Traditional Parish for reasons I have tried to explain in threads on this forum.

Be proud of keeping those like me away for so long. We appreciate it. Not.

 

[maurin]

I, myself, think that this holier than thou attitude is the reason a lot of people do not wish to be Traditionalists or become more involved with the Church, period.

I don’t think you can compare the Mass to ANY Protestant service, whether it be the Novus Ordo or any other liturgy/rite of the Catholic Church. Are there similarities of the Novus Ordo to other Protestant services? Yes. Maybe that is because the Protestant services copied ours into the vernacular, even though it was our tradition to have vernacular liturgies since the Christian emancipation in the Roman Empire?

I don’t think this is funny at all – and you should probably teach [everyone] to respect all liturgies of the Catholic Church, because as long as we are with Peter, the rock, that is all that matters and Christ’s presence is there in the Tabernacle of a Novus Ordo Mass as well.

and if I could copy your signature with a click of the button, I would have.

We are clearly of similar mind. And I am a Traditionalist.

 

[Sola_Roma]

Hi,

I went to visit my mom this weekend and we attended her new parish, Catholic, for the first time. I had just had a converstation with my 14 year old about not recieveing communion in a Protestant Church.

Well apparently, although our church has a NO mass, we don’t “look” like many NO parishes who have redecorated, as well as we don’t have the same kind of singing, because my son whispered and asked “I shouldn’t have communion, right?” When I inquired why not, he said “well you said I shouldn’t have communion in a Protestant Church”

I laughingly told this was a Catholic Church. He then asked if it was an old church. I said no, why do you ask? He said, “Well, it is just so boring. Hardly any pictures or statues.”

I guess that is what happens when you have a mostly retired parish, things “look and sound” more like a more Traditional Church. I think next time we go visit my mom we will have to attend a TLM for my son to experience and see which our church seems more like to him

Anyway, I thought you all here might enjoy hearing that my son thought a modern church with a NO mass was mistaken for a Protestant service by my son

God Bless,
Maria

I enjoyed it a lot.

Thank you.

 

[maurin]

God LOVE your great-aunt!!!
Oh I laughed out loud at that.

That kind of reminds me of my sister. She has always had kind of a warped sense of humor.

My Dad (God rest his soul) lost a long bout with Cancer and Our Lord took him home.
My poor Mother was a basket case so each of the children had a job to do with arrangements.
My sister was in charge of finding a headstone. Where does one look for a headstone? Yellow pages are the best bet so she got the Yellowbook and took it to a phone upstairs.

About 15 minutes later she came back to tell my Mom that it was all taken care of. She described the stone and the very reasonable cost.

My mom asked, "Where did you get it from?
Sis said, “Sears”

My mom looked at her puzzled and said, “SEARS?”

My sister replied, “Yeah, you know, there’s more for your life at Sears!”

(She also wanted to get Daddy a t-shirt from the gift shop at the Hospital where he died. She thought it would be a great one for him to wear in the casket. It said, “I got better at Southwest General Hospital”)

I know that now, many years after my father’s death, that we look back at those “little incidents” and laugh. And we know Dad would have laughed also. It brings us closer together, as I am sure it does you family and all families.

God DOES have a sense of humor. And it is a gift He generously gave to us.

 

[rr1213]

Please point out where I said the mass was Lutheran. I said, very close. That means not exact. They do not have Our Lord truly appearing at their services and I have no clue why you would assume that.

Mathew 18:20:
“For where two or three come together in my name, there am I with them.”