There is a part of me that hopes you continue using the archaic and demonic rhetoric you have clearly been accustomed to, (I’ve read many of your posts). You’re a live relic, preserving the attitudes of inferiority, bigotry, and prejudice that have prevailed throughout the ages outside the bounds of scripture regarding those of a different orientation. Such a harmful position found its way into religion then, and now, even at this very moment, we’re still feeling its damaging affects.I think we ought to remember that the condition of being Jewish is necessarily different from that of having same-sex attractions. The latter’s only manifestation is in a perverse corruption of the sexual faculty so extreme in degree that it ought to be criminal. Further, for the Jew, his identity comes from nothing more then an accident of his birth. For the one with same-sex attraction, the quality of his “identity” comes not from his birth, but from a pathologically disabling psychological condition that impels its subject to such scandalous horrors as promiscuity, predation and other sexual deviations.
To imprison or even to execute the Jew for the fault of his birth can therefore be seen as unjust in a way that applying the same treatment to those with same-sex attraction disorder never can. Those with same-sex attractions therefore demand the mantle of victimhood to which they possess no just claim. The bishop does well to recognize this.
Now, there are some here that will attempt to use this argument to suggest that I am endorsing the treatment those with same-sex attractions received at the hands of the Nazis but this is not the case. This is not advocacy for establishing the policies of the Third Reich nor even the implication that any of us have standing to enact them. To my mind, the Nazis made a poor choice in policy, much like the inquisitors in Spain. All I am doing is pointing out that those with same-sex attraction can be said to deserve such treatment in a way that Jews never will.
What a load of trash. If you’re a Christian you really need to start focusing on learning to love people rather than spew hate. Please ask God to help you.I think we ought to remember that the condition of being Jewish is necessarily different from that of having same-sex attractions. The latter’s only manifestation is in a perverse corruption of the sexual faculty so extreme in degree that it ought to be criminal. Further, for the Jew, his identity comes from nothing more then an accident of his birth. For the one with same-sex attraction, the quality of his “identity” comes not from his birth, but from a pathologically disabling psychological condition that impels its subject to such scandalous horrors as promiscuity, predation and other sexual deviations.
To imprison or even to execute the Jew for the fault of his birth can therefore be seen as unjust in a way that applying the same treatment to those with same-sex attraction disorder never can. Those with same-sex attractions therefore demand the mantle of victimhood to which they possess no just claim. The bishop does well to recognize this.
Now, there are some here that will attempt to use this argument to suggest that I am endorsing the treatment those with same-sex attractions received at the hands of the Nazis but this is not the case. This is not advocacy for establishing the policies of the Third Reich nor even the implication that any of us have standing to enact them. To my mind, the Nazis made a poor choice in policy, much like the inquisitors in Spain. All I am doing is pointing out that those with same-sex attraction can be said to deserve such treatment in a way that Jews never will.
Do you want to talk scripture or Church Teaching? You pick!I sometimes wonder at the madness of some individuals who will argue against one moral precept or another based on its popularity. Implicitly suggesting that the Church should subject her teaching to market analysis is nothing more than an endorsement of nihilism.
The condition of same-sex attraction carries with it significant obstacles to healthy life in Christ both physical and psychological. This has been recognized at multiple levels of the Church hierarchy. The bishop mentioned in this article is simply following a bright and unbroken line of solid Church Teaching regarding this issue.
Pointing out that the lovers of the Truth will diminish in number while, at the same time, the depraved will greatly increase is nothing alien to the Church. Indeed, she teaches us to expect this long, slow defeat but to have confidence in the redemption of all Creation at the Second Coming.
Scripture and Church Teaching work together, not separately. Saying “either/or” is a false dichotomy. Nevertheless, if you can demonstrate that what this bishop has said is at odds with either one, I would be most interested to read your argument.Do you want to talk scripture or Church Teaching? You pick!
When we’re done, you may want to recondsider that statement!Scripture and Church Teaching work together, not separately. Saying “either/or” is a false dichotomy. Nevertheless, if you can demonstrate that what this bishop has said is at odds with either one, I would be most interested to read your argument.
Let’s start with this quote you made just minutes earlier. What was the “popular” understanding during the early Church regarding the reason for Sodom and Gomorrah’s destruction?I sometimes wonder at the madness of some individuals who will argue against one moral precept or another based on its popularity.
That’s fine. If you feel I am wrong, then put me in my place. I repeat: if you have an argument to make against this bishop’s assertions citing both Church Teaching and Scripture, I am anxious to read it. Rather than assure me of my impending humility, I would much prefer the genuine article.When we’re done, you may want to recondsider that statement!
I’m not making an argument. I’m making a point. But even that is only half the battle. Getting you to realize my point is the other half. So are you going to answer my question or not?That’s fine. If you feel I am wrong, then put me in my place. I repeat: if you have an argument to make against this bishop’s assertions citing both Church Teaching and Scripture, I am anxious to read it. Rather than assure me of my impending humility, I would much prefer the genuine article.
Make your case and we will see what we will see. I would add that to make an argument is not to cross-examine.
I suggest you plainly make your point, then. I will not participate in a back-and-forth conversation that can serve no purpose other than to derail this thread.I’m not making an argument. I’m making a point. But even that is only half the battle. Getting you to realize my point is the other half. So are you going to answer my question or not?
Then perhaps you should remember that the next time you get the urge to bubble forth hate against any of God’s children. Especially the gay ones! Because I will challenge you every time!I suggest you plainly make your point, then. I will not participate in a back-and-forth conversation that can serve no purpose other than to derail this thread.
By now, there is too much knowledge rooted in biblical history and biblical language to be daunted by such words as …“sodomite”, or any other form of adultrated truths.Here is another article about this story.
This one i believe is the best.
Scotland Catholic Bishop Warns of “Huge and Well Orchestrated Conspiracy” by Homosexual Activists
lifesitenews.com/ldn/2008/mar/08031306.html
… the **sodomists **are a real threat to all societies, these people pursue their immoral agenda at the expense of the freedom of speech and freedom of conscience of all good decent people.
These sodomists and their rabid defenders must be stopped.
Is that even a word?Other Eric,
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