Future of the Catholic Church In Light of the Sex Abuse Scandals

[TiggerS]

I get the impression that those whipping up this controversy wouldn’t be happy even if our Pope flogged himself publicly in St. Peter’s square

There would be a public outcry if he used a whip made of leather.

Those speaking against The Church because of what has happened have a right to do so.
If they are speaking from hatred, then it is all about hate and hating and that speaks for itself and negatively of itself. If it is the media whipping up a sensationalist storm, it is all about the dollar because sensationalist reporting sells and increases readership. This also speaks negatively of itself.

If it is the media trying to report a dreadful situation as honestly as they can, then they have a right to do so and people have a right to know.

TS

 

[TiggerS]

How about the police and newspapers that ignored the complaints for the same reasons? They are never called to task because it detracts from the narrative being put forth to denigrate the Church.

• Marty Lund

Where The Church has truly done wrong, then it needs to come wholly and with transparency into the light and no matter what else may be wrong. This does not mean that whatever else that was wrongful should not come into the light wholly and with transparency also. But whether such other matters do or do not come to light, cannot in any way excuse The Church, nor any excuse for matters concerning The Church not coming into the light and being made public knowledge.

TS

 

[CWBetts]

Where The Church has truly done wrong, then it needs to come wholly and with transparency into the light and no matter what else may be wrong. This does not mean that whatever else that was wrongful should not come into the light wholly and with transparency also. But whether such other matters do or do not come to light, cannot in any way excuse The Church, nor any excuse for matters concerning The Church not coming into the light and being made public knowledge.

TS

I think I need a decoder ring to figure this statement out. Think you can try this again, but try being straightforward. Right now it reads like poorly translated stero instructions

 

[TiggerS]

Originally Posted by TiggerS

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Where The Church has truly done wrong, then it needs to come wholly and with transparency into the light and no matter what else may be wrong. This does not mean that whatever else that was wrongful should not come into the light wholly and with transparency also. But whether such other matters do or do not come to light, cannot in any way excuse The Church, nor any excuse for matters concerning The Church not coming into the light and being made public knowledge.

I think I need a decoder ring to figure this statement out. Think you can try this again, but try being straightforward. Right now it reads like poorly translated stero instructions

Apologies. While one would hope all matters concerning these abuse accusations would be made public, at very least we must ensure that The Church is absolutely honest and transparent. Hope that may help.
Some other poster did mention that those who have been abused need to be protected from being made public and I agree with this wherever possible.

TS

 

[PaulJason]

This is an awkward question

Could anyone tell me if there are more, less, or equally distributed cases of abuse in the Traditional parishes such as the FSSP, compared to the (for lack of a better term) NO parishes?

 

[otjm]

This is an awkward question

Could anyone tell me if there are more, less, or equally distributed cases of abuse in the Traditional parishes such as the FSSP, compared to the (for lack of a better term) NO parishes?

Actually it is not awkward.

The vast majority of cases have been from OF parishes for the simple reason that the vast majority of parishes are OF.

And before you go down the path of causation (assuming that might be behind your question), I would point out that while a large number of these cases were post Vatican 2, not all were, and many of the cases arising out of the 60’s and 70’s were by priests who were ordained before Vatican 2 was even conceived of by Pope John 23rd. The source of the problem for the majority of cases appears to be between homosexual adult males (who were ordained) and male teenage boys; my recollection of the percentages was something like 81% of the claims.

The rest of the claims scatter out over true pedophilia - adult males with prepubescent children (largely boys), adult males (of whatever sexual prediliction) with teenage females, and priests with adult females (usually implying that the female was at a disadvantage - either in for counseling or some other matter where the priest used his advantage), or adult males (generally homosexual, and why they got in on the bandwagon is debatable, as it would seem to have been consensual).

I believe there has been a breakdown of cases of diocesan vs. order priests/brothers, but I do not have it at my fingertips.

 

[bluelake]

Itd be wrong to conclude that a person whos suffering from cancer must be evil.
The Church is a Divinely instituted organism, with the Holy Spirit as its soul.
The sins of individual Catholics, no matter how depraved, dont mean that the Church itself is evil. To a greater or lesser extent, were all sinners; and the Church is under ferocious demonic attack. The clergy (including the bishops) are copping the worst of it.

For the past 2000 years, the enemies of the Church have predicted its destruction…
It`s taken mainstream Protestantism 500 years to collapse; if the Church were not protected by the Holy Spirit, it would have gone the same way long before AD1000, let alone AD2000.
A house built on Rock vs houses built on sand.

I agree sins of individuals should not be used as the measuring stick of the entire Church.
However, those who are guilty, should be excommunicated. To send them somewhere else does not solve anything.
If this were my child you would soon feel the WRATH of this mother.
I don’t understand your last sentence. Are you saying only Catholic Christians are saved?
See Mt.7:1-5

God bless,
bluelake

 

[choy]

With the current global sex abuse scandals, is this end of what we know of the Catholic Church? If No, then what is the future of the Church!, I don’t condone what some (priests/nuns and other Church officials) have done in the Church, and i believe they should be put on trial for their crime and be given the appropriate punishment, but why is the news media sensationalizing just what the Catholic Church has done, what about other Religions, are they not guilty of such crimes?

Thanks

Seeker

why would the Church end?

Jesus said that he is the groom and the Church is His bride. is Jesus a bad husband?
Jesus promised us that the gates of Hades will not prevail against the Church, is Jesus lying?

the Church is bigger than all these fallen clergy. nothing can bring it down. in a way this attention is good for the Church as public awareness will help us identify and remove those who have chosen to side with Satan. it will help us be more self conscious and self examining and see what we can do to better protect ourselves and everyone by those who have fallen into Satan’s lies

 

[WesPilgrim]

I recall a local evangelical pastor saying from his pulpit in 2003, regarding the priest/sex scandals, to the effect---- ‘Don’t get puffed up, God is simply cleaning up his 1st Church first.’
I thought, given the source, that was a very gracious admonition to his people.

blessings, Wes

 

[Tartini]

It has been obvious that the secular media and many others out there would love for the Chuch to cease to exist. It is a modernist mentality that promotes not only the various myths that are propagated, but craves sensationalism. Many of the members of the circus media camp are the same ones who promote same sex marriages, abortion and others such travesties. The Church will deal with this issue, as She sees fit, and be the better for it in the future.

She will prove Her worth to humanity, and what better way than through a tribulation that shows the world what mettle She is made of. The faithful are an intricate part of this, as well. One must remain faithful, but there will be some who do fall away. Those who abandon the Church will come to a great realization that the same thing occurs in the sect or denomination they thought to be “perfect”. The Church will never cease to exist, and it is the duty of every Catholic to defend Her. Naturally, we cannot know all the facts as they really are, so we often make up the differences with grand theories and presuppositions that do more harm than good.

Many forget the Church is made up of humans, some of which are actually working at destroying Her from the inside. Some individuals do not belong in the Church anymore than anywhere else. As time goes on, one will hear less and less about such incidents, but they will occur.And as it is a usual rule for the modernist mind who must always find fault in that they cannot change or against their liberal philosophies, they will find more “dirt” under the carpet. Even if they have to fabricate the dirt themselves.

The unfortunate incidents are as they are, but the Church cannot be blamed for all of the situations that have occured. The whole idea of being prudent in delicate situations has been practiced to be benifit of all. Many accusations are just fabricated in order to gain money or some kind of attention. Albeit, there are some who have been damaged by the situations, and all we can do is pray for them and pray that the Church will take charge of its responsibilities, as She is wont to do in many areas.

The liberal attitudes brought on by the misintrepretation of what Vatican 2 was really about has contributed to the situations more than most realize. This is a strong statement to make, but one that seems logical considering what has been occuring. The real blame lies with the problems of a liberal society that has no direction or discipline. The Church offers this, but it is rejected too often as “old fashioned”. Those who oppose the Church, oppose Christ. It is the lot of the faithful to be persecuted. One does not have to be a genius to see what is really going on, as it has been going on since the Church started.

 

[Gearoidin]

This too shall pass.

This might surprise you, but here in China there has not been one news item, it makes absolutely no mention at all that I can tell.

The only way I was able to know anything about it was to read comments here on CAF.

Perhaps it is because no one here gives a damn, I don’t know. But if that were true, then perhaps the opposite is also true: it makes news where people care about the church.

Not much mention of it in Japan either. I wouldn’t know much about it if it weren’t for my family in Ireland and CA forums.
Gearoidin