Future of Traditinoal Latin Mass (EF) poll

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What does CAF think the future of the TLM (EF) [well not just the TLM but the NO as well] will be?


  1. *]Stay the way it is
    *]The TLM will again become the OF and the NO will become the EF
    *]The TLM will become the OF again and the NO will fade into history
    *]The NO will remain as the OF and the TLM will fade into history
    *]The western [Latin] Church will split into two distinct Rites
    *]The TLM will again become the OF, but instead of Latin the Vernacular will be used
    *]Other [please explain]

    Let me explain the fifth one, i mean that the Latin Church will split into two, not in schism, but as two different Rites such as the Latin Rite is different than the Chaldean Rite or the Seryo-Malabar rite. like there will be Like a Novus Rite and a Tridintine Rite with their own hiarchy but are in full communion with each otherlike the current Latin Rite and the 23 other Eastern Rites.

    Just so newbies are not confused with my abbreviations:
    TLM=Tridintine Latin Mass or Traditional Latin Mass
    NO=Novus Ordo Mass
    EF=Extraordinary Form of the Roman [Latin] Rite
    OF=Ordinary Form of the Roman [Latin] Rite
 
I honestly think that number 3 will happen:

The TLM will become the OF again and the NO will fade into history

The reason is because we are seeing a big increase in interest in the Traditional Latin Mass. Also, a Traditional Latin Mass tends to be more reverent than a Novus Ordo Mass. This is not to say that a Novus Ordo Mass cannot be reverent. However, it is a fact that there are far more abuses in the Novus Ordo Mass than there are in the Traditional Latin Mass.
 
It is hard to say for sure. If I had my choice, then the TLM would be the only Mass celebrated. WIth that said, I feel that is highly unlikely to happen. What I think is more realistic is seeing the TLM offered at least once every Sunday in every parish. This is not something that would happen right away of course, but if they start teaching the TLM in seminaries again, then the newer generations of priest will know it and it can flourish again. But if you have to pin me down and demand a choice, then I choose #3 👍
 
Emmit_Fitzhume said:
It is hard to say for sure. If I had my choice, then the TLM would be the only Mass celebrated. WIth that said, I feel that is highly unlikely to happen. What I think is more realistic is seeing the TLM offered at least once every Sunday in every parish. This is not something that would happen right away of course, but if they start teaching the TLM in seminaries again, then the newer generations of priest will know it and it can flourish again. But if you have to pin me down and demand a choice, then I choose #3 👍
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Actually, some seminaries are already teaching the Traditional Latin Mass. Our former priest who was just ordained last year was taught the Traditional Latin Mass as well as the Novus Ordo Mass.
 
Judging by what I see and hear at the local OF parish and many expressions I read on this forum, the TLM will remain as it is and has been for hundreds of years. Reason? A growing number of Catholics, sadly too many, feel the Church must conform to their view of the world or they will simply leave and too many clergy are terrified to let that happen. Those who think that way will never be satisfied with or be welcome in the EF. I can envision a day when the EF becomes a sect totally at odds with and separate from the OF, another Orthodox Rite if you will.
 
As much as I would like for the TLM to become the OF again, I don’t see the Holy See doing this. I do think that interest in the TLM is on the rise, but it won’t be enough to get rid of the NO Mass.
 
damooster said:
As much as I would like for the TLM to become the OF again, I don’t see the Holy See doing this. I do think that interest in the TLM is on the rise, but it won’t be enough to get rid of the NO Mass.
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well i had heard (on these forums) that there was a Bishop in Rome that went on record as saying
Within 50 years the Novus Ordo will be but a footnote in Church History
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I dont know who supposedly said it, but if it is true, it is defiantly encouraging to hear that kind of thing coming out of Rome.
 
Of course the “Novus Ordo” will fade into history in 50 years. Its kind of silly calling something 100 years olds as “new”
 
I voted “other.” I think that the Mass of Paul VI will remain the Ordinary Form of the Mass - possibly with some tweaks to tighten up the rubrics - and the Mass of 1962 will remain the Ordinary Form. But I also think that the Mass of 1962 will continue to grow in popularity and become more readily available, though without supplanting the dominance of the Mass of Paul VI. I also think that the Mass of Paul VI will be enriched by being celebrated more traditionally by priests that in the future will be more and more familiar with the beauty and reverence of the Mass of 1962.
 
When was this word, “ordinary form,” invented? Was it at the time of the new mass coming into use? I have to admit, I have never heard of it until a year or two ago, and I do not believe that I have ever heard anyone use the term in conversation outside of this internet group.
 
pro_multis said:
When was this word, “ordinary form,” invented? Was it at the time of the new mass coming into use? I have to admit, I have never heard of it until a year or two ago, and I do not believe that I have ever heard anyone use the term in conversation outside of this internet group.
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Pope Benedict used the phrase just three years ago in his Apostolic Letter Summorum Pontificum, which addressed celebrating the Mass according to the “Missal promulgated by John XXIII in 1962”.

ps: I voted for stay the same.
 
I chose the first option. The Cathedral where I used to attend the TLM stopped celebrating it due to very low attendance. I attend the TLM at school (it’s celebrated every Sunday in one of our chapels) but it doesn’t seem like many other people are interested. Most people prefer the 10pm dorm masses where everyone wanders around for 10 minutes hugging as many people as possible.

So maybe it’s different in other places, but I just don’t see very much interest in the TLM where I am.
 
I think a Tertium Quid is the most likely, or rather a [heavily?] revised OF remains as the OF and the EF remains, in the long run where it is now. But then again I also think that local rites will be allowed to flourish before that in a situation resembling the pre-tridentine.
 
I can’t vote, but I would probably choose the first option, if I could.
 
Holly3278 said:
I honestly think that number 3 will happen:

The TLM will become the OF again and the NO will fade into history

The reason is because we are seeing a big increase in interest in the Traditional Latin Mass. Also, a Traditional Latin Mass tends to be more reverent than a Novus Ordo Mass. This is not to say that a Novus Ordo Mass cannot be reverent. However, it is a fact that there are far more abuses in the Novus Ordo Mass than there are in the Traditional Latin Mass.
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From your lips to God’s ears.

Our cathedral’s celebration of the TLM today was packed. Not standing room only, but teeming with worshippers. It was wonderful, as always. All ages, too.
 
I voted # 6, & that’s what I will pray for. I could see this as “killing 2 birds with 1 stone”.

Kinda like the way the OF was suppose to be said.🤷
 
Although it seems highly unlikely at present, I think ultimately the OF - in any form substantially different from the EF - will eventually fade into history. The whole experiment is premised upon the idea that a church can repudiate its history and sever its ties with its tradition to create a new, better faith and worship. I find that idea simply unbelievable. One poster mentioned that on college campuses students overwhelmingly favor the 10pm dorm Masses that are, shall we say, less than reverent (based on personal experience of schedule and liturgy, I’m pegging that poster for Notre Dame 😉 ). That kind of liturgy cannot sustain a church in any kind of long term (witness the Protestant Mainline), and the OF is, IMHO, deficient in similar ways in precisely the areas where it differs from the OF. It will likely get reformed along the lines of the TLM so that we will see a *tertium quid *that is far more TLM than NO, perhaps actually winding up with the Mass of Sacrosanctum Concilium.
 
Holly3278 said:
I honestly think that number 3 will happen:

The TLM will become the OF again and the NO will fade into history

The reason is because we are seeing a big increase in interest in the Traditional Latin Mass. Also, a Traditional Latin Mass tends to be more reverent than a Novus Ordo Mass. This is not to say that a Novus Ordo Mass cannot be reverent. However, it is a fact that there are far more abuses in the Novus Ordo Mass than there are in the Traditional Latin Mass.
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I would like to think that this is correct, and something to pray about. Thank you.
 
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