Future sins forgiven?

[mikekle]

Since no one has said it (I think), then I’ll say it. Jesus died for our sins.

If that were so, and we believe it to be so, then we shouldn’t have to worry in any way about committing sins ever, because they forgiven at the cross.

But, we are also taught to confess our sins and to approach the heavenly throne for forgiveness – which is considered one-and-the-same in the Catholic Church.

We must always be humbled by the mercy and love of God, His providence and justice, and His justice.

Ive never thought about it like that, but yes, that is true, in a way, Jesus dying the cross, already took the punishment for our future sins, so I guess any future sins we may commit are (in a way) already forgiven, in the big scheme of things anyway, but we still must ask God to forgive us AFTER weve committed a sin.

 

[pablope]

In Colossians 2:13 Paul wrote, “He forgave us all our sins”.

John says, “If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just, and will forgive our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness”.

 

[pablope]

Something else is bothering me this morning. Some Evengelical Christianse that past, present, and FUTURE sins are forgiven when a new Christian repents and puts his trust in Jesus. You would apply the following to future sins as well as past and present.

Heb.8

1. [12] For I will be merciful toward their iniquities,
   and I will remember their sins no more."
   Heb.10
2. [17] then he adds, “I will remember their sins and their misdeeds no more.”

But if God forgets our FUTURE sins how can he chastise us for them?

Heb 12
[4] In your struggle against sin you have not yet resisted to the point of shedding your blood.
[5] And have you forgotten the exhortation which addresses you as sons? – “My son, do not regard lightly the discipline of the Lord,
nor lose courage when you are punished by him.
[6] For the Lord disciplines him whom he loves,
and chastises every son whom he receives.”
[7] It is for discipline that you have to endure. God is treating you as sons; for what son is there whom his father does not discipline?

If they are forgiven before we commit them then how can God punish us for them when they are forgotten?

Blessings

You should also read Heb 10:

26 If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, 27 but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God. 28 Anyone who rejected the law of Moses died without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. 29 How much more severely do you think someone deserves to be punished who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, who has treated as an unholy thing the blood of the covenant that sanctified them, and who has insulted the Spirit of grace?

How can you reconcile the claim of future sins being forgiven with v26 and v29?

 

[Paul_Edwards]

If future sins are forgiven then guess who could easily be in heaven?

Adolf Hitler

If anyone says 'future sins are forgiven", say to them “so if Hitler said sorry at 10 years old did he get into heaven?”

 

[GaryTaylor]

God willed all to be saved, and God is LOVE, if God willed all to be saved then this means “ALL” not only Catholics Protestants and so forth. God loves everyone right? Even the most hardened sinner. Forgiven by the blood of the Cross.

By listening to this thread why does anyone need to be Christian as Christ already saved all and willed all to be saved? Everyone is saved. We should just put up a memorial and celebrate once a year at a parade for Jesus.

 

[GaryTaylor]

Again, it’s down to interpretation, (of that verse),

Amen, and you should return when your not overwhelmed with Catholicism. Serious, you have many posts in a short period, and much confusion. Take your time and go slow.

 

[smichhertz]

Anyway, in regard to the sacrament of confession, yes, we are advised to confess our sins to God and repent and ask God for forgiveness, but it does not affect our salvation, it is just a good thing to do. The Bible says all our sins are forgiven and the verse about forgiveness is down to people’s interpretation of it, (one of us is wrong, yet that is forgiven).

Hi UKFaithGirl,

I see you’re new here. Welcome to CAF!

You’re profile says you’re Christian - I’m guessing you’re not Catholic based on your Biblical interpretations? Correct me if I’m wrong.

To provide a direct answer to your points about Colossians 2:13, remember that forgiveness has to be ACCEPTED. This can only happen through repentance. Therefore, future sins cannot be individually forgiven until the person who committed them is repentant. The lack of repentance is the unforgivable sin Jesus mentions in Matthew 12:31-32.

Remember, the sacrifice of the cross is a gift. And like all gifts, it can be accepted or rejected. Repentance is how we accept it.

I hope that helps! Welcome again to CAF!

 

[UKFaithGirl]

That is down to interpretation. So it depends if God will have us damned for the error of misinterpretation.
Also, the Bible says that our names are written/recorded in Heaven
Excuse me while I go and plan my suicide.

 

[GaryTaylor]

Excuse me while I go and plan my suicide.

Did you read the other thread which is somewhat similar to this since my mind became obsessed with idea of Gods quickened souls being led astray by myths.

 

[hu324b]

We have to remember who St Paul was talking to - Jewish people who wanted to believe in Christ but continue their ritual sacrifice of cleansing sin and Paul is telling them that it is no longer needed - he is struggling with the people to understand what Christs sacrifice means and to forget the ritual sacrice for sin

In Pauls letters in some cases you have to see who he is talking to and why he is saying what he is saying.

 

[Richard_Feynman]

I have a lot to say and I’m on my phone so I will not bother to try to quote everyone, you know who you are.

First off, misinterpretation can lead to deadly things. I can give two examples. If the Catholic hirch has misinterpreted the Bible then Catholics worship a piece of bread at Eucharistic Adoration. If evangelicals (not all, but some) misinterpret the Bible and what the Bible is actually saying regarding salvation, then they have presumed God’s Grace (which is blasphemy of the Holy Spirit if I recall correctly.) I hope that makes sense for everyone.

Secondly! The Bible also says that your name can be blotted from the Book of Life.

Third, the Bible is technically tradition started at the Council of Hippo. If the Catholic Church compiled the Bible… Don’t you think they would’ve avoided making the Bible contradictory to its Tradition?

And Finally, I have always wondered why we ever needed to avoid sinning if we are saved no matter what… Which isn’t that predestination?

Thank you all for the insightful dialogue between everyone!

Richard Feynman

 

[hu324b]

And Finally, I have always wondered why we ever needed to avoid sinning if we are saved no matter what… Which isn’t that predestination?

Its called repenting.

 

[Richard_Feynman]

Richard_Feynman;11912311:

And Finally, I have always wondered why we ever needed to avoid sinning if we are saved no matter what… Which isn’t that predestination?

Its called repenting.

I realize that. I never understood how a stance of “I don’t need to repent. All sins are forgiven so literally everyone IS GOING TO make it into Heaven I, personally, can guarantee it,” can stand. If this logic is true, it follows that we have no free will, we have no choice in the matter. We MUST go to Heaven. I subscribe to the belief that we need to repent for our sins or else every mention of repentance in the Gospels was in vain.

 

[Richca]

Something else is bothering me this morning. Some Evengelical Christianse that past, present, and FUTURE sins are forgiven when a new Christian repents and puts his trust in Jesus. You would apply the following to future sins as well as past and present.

Heb.8

1. [12] For I will be merciful toward their iniquities,
   and I will remember their sins no more."
   Heb.10
2. [17] then he adds, “I will remember their sins and their misdeeds no more.”

But if God forgets our FUTURE sins how can he chastise us for them?

Heb 12
[4] In your struggle against sin you have not yet resisted to the point of shedding your blood.
[5] And have you forgotten the exhortation which addresses you as sons? – “My son, do not regard lightly the discipline of the Lord,
nor lose courage when you are punished by him.
[6] For the Lord disciplines him whom he loves,
and chastises every son whom he receives.”
[7] It is for discipline that you have to endure. God is treating you as sons; for what son is there whom his father does not discipline?

If they are forgiven before we commit them then how can God punish us for them when they are forgotten?

Blessings

The forgiveness of sins depends firstly on God’s grace which Christ merited for us by his sacrifice on the cross and secondly on us, i.e, contrition for our sins. No sin is forgiven without contrition on our part. Now God is always ready to give us His grace to be contrite for our sins but we do not always accept this grace and in fact often resist it. If we commit any sins in the future, we need God’s grace and contrition on our part to be forgiven them. This is why Christ instituted the sacrament of confession or penance.

 

[mikekle]

hu324b;11912670:

I realize that. I never understood how a stance of “I don’t need to repent. All sins are forgiven so literally everyone IS GOING TO make it into Heaven I, personally, can guarantee it,” can stand. If this logic is true, it follows that we have no free will, we have no choice in the matter. We MUST go to Heaven. I subscribe to the belief that we need to repent for our sins or else every mention of repentance in the Gospels was in vain.

IM pretty sure the bible says all one must do in order to make it to heaven is believe Jesus was born a man, died on the cross for our sins…could it be that simple?

 

[hu324b]

Yes thats the free ride way.

You should be a changed person when you accept Christ - there is not just the Gospel message - you have have to live in the spirit of the Gospel - love your neighbor - avoid sin - forgive your enemys.

You don’t just leave it at the steps of the church when you leave - Christ shows us a new way to live - a new way to think.

If you truely Love God you would try to change - you would have the desire to change in you - and you would change.

Yes we all fall short - but you pick yourself up and continue to try to live the life of the Gospel.If you don’t what does that say about your love for God?

Do you truely Love God if you don’t try to live the spirit of the Gospel? If you ignore everything that Jesus said and taught - continue without change are you really folllowing him.

Take the free ride if you want but you have missed the spirit of the Gospel and the life that Christ wants us to live.

None of the cannonized Saints of the Church took the free ride - all suffered for Christ - they are the example to follow if you cannot follow Christ’s example.

Do you truely believe if your looking for the free ride?

Its not simple.

 

[Richard_Feynman]

Yes thats the free ride way.

You should be a changed person when you accept Christ - there is not just the Gospel message - you have have to live in the spirit of the Gospel - love your neighbor - avoid sin - forgive your enemys.

You don’t just leave it at the steps of the church when you leave - Christ shows us a new way to live - a new way to think.

If you truely Love God you would try to change - you would have the desire to change in you - and you would change.

Yes we all fall short - but you pick yourself up and continue to try to live the life of the Gospel.If you don’t what does that say about your love for God?

Do you truely Love God if you don’t try to live the spirit of the Gospel? If you ignore everything that Jesus said and taught - continue without change are you really folllowing him.

Take the free ride if you want but you have missed the spirit of the Gospel and the life that Christ wants us to live.

None of the cannonized Saints of the Church took the free ride - all suffered for Christ - they are the example to follow if you cannot follow Christ’s example.

Do you truely believe if your looking for the free ride?

Its not simple.

Thank you! Jesus himself, when talking to Nicodemus, says that we must be born of the water and spirit to get into Heaven. As you can see here, it’s not just believing in Jesus, obviously Nicodemus did. You must be baptized. I can provide a link to Thomas Aquinas’ Summa Theologica in regards to baptism if needed.

God, THE FATHER, is a Father for us. If you had a good Father (as God is the greatest Father) you want to please him. Do you not? And that’s only your earthly Father! John 3:16 is overused IMO, but here it makes sense. God loved us so much that he sent his Son, His first born, onto earth through a virgin! He gave us an example to follow. God could’ve had a prophet say: “The Lord says we are all saved.” And that would be that! But… That’s not what he did. We all know it. He sent His Son, for what? Not in vain, but to show us a new way to live! A way of perfection. A way of fruitfulness.

Let’s put it this way: if I was a Father, I would train my first born well enough that my other children could follow him and please me.

Richard Feynman

 

[Paul_Edwards]

Actually, in Colossians 2:13 Paul wrote, “He forgave us all our sins”. The Greek word he used means each and every sin. That means past present and future.

You misunderstand the way sentences and conversation works it seems. If anyone said “I forgive you of each and every thing you do against me” you would not interpret that to mean “future things you do against me aswell”.

Unless somebody pacifically said “future …” you would never think they means future sins or things against them even if they written “ALL” in capitals.

 

[Paul_Edwards]

Forgiveness is not an invitation to sin

 

[mikekle]

**Romans 10:9

Because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes and is justified, and with the mouth one confesses and is saved.**

Note that this verse says ALL that is required to be saved, nowhere does it say we must do anything else, whether its a ‘free ride’ or not, doesnt matter, whether we make it to heaven or not DOES matter.