Game of Thrones - new season

[CatholicWhovian]

This is a popular media forum, not a moral theology forum.

I was attempting to establish a friendly dialogue of who might have seen the show or read the books. Obviously some of you haven’t read the books, nor seen the show.

If you feel too uncomfortable/judgmental about such a topic as this or a show, I might suggest taking your views to some other thread.

It’s just some people are disturbed about the sex that’s all over the series, and eventually generalize and dismiss it as purely a more “public” form of pornography. To be honest that annoys me and I worry that some people wouldn’t find the essence of the series which is a recreation of history and real-world politics and intrigue set in a medieval fantasy world. It has many female characters that are not treated as sexual objects but rather as people of dignity and strength - which is completely the exact opposite of what pornography really is, mind you.

Ok, we’ve been deviating from the topic too much now, just like what has happened in the other thread about the show.

I’m actually excited about the Martells. They’re a very interesting house since I haven’t read the books. I have mixed feelings with the Lannisters. They killed… people… but Tyrion seems to be the moral bastion and knowing Sansa’s worth and dignity as a human being.

My favorite character in the series is Catelyn Stark because she’s boring. Now don’t get me wrong. Sometimes in a series set in a world full of amoral chaos the most boring character is the best in my opinion. She, I think, is a moral bastion in the series, and it breaks my heart that… something bad happened to her.

Now please, NO SPOILERS! I haven’t started watching season 4 yet…

 

[Phalanx]

Cool!

Ill go ahead too. Im all about the Lannisters. I love that they are masters at plotting and conniving, always having a plan so well executed and hush hush that no one can be truly prepared for them. Everything revolves around them. All from old mysterious pacts, old friendships, old rivalries. So much delicious action and drama. My favourites would be Jaime and Tywin just because of their royal badassery

Im so super interested about the whole “faceless men” group… oh and also the red woman Melisandre. Where are these wierdo people coming from, and why do they have these spells and magic attributes?

Not sure where the TV series is at compared to the books so I’m trying not to post anything that’s a real spoiler.

I don’t know how its best to put it because of the jumping back and forth between plotlines.

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The TV series just recently got past the whole “red wedding” thing. Jon Snow has returned to the Crows to warn them about the barbarians north of the wall that are massing up. The Khaleesi is still heading west and got to the child bodies milestone markers as cliffhanger on the last episode while the hound and whatsherface… Arya? anyway they are best buddies now.

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[CradleJourney]

Cool!

Ill go ahead too. Im all about the Lannisters. I love that they are masters at plotting and conniving, always having a plan so well executed and hush hush that no one can be truly prepared for them. Everything revolves around them. All from old mysterious pacts, old friendships, old rivalries. So much delicious action and drama. My favourites would be Jaime and Tywin just because of their royal badassery

Im so super interested about the whole “faceless men” group… oh and also the red woman Melisandre. Where are these wierdo people coming from, and why do they have these spells and magic attributes?

I don’t know how its best to put it because of the jumping back and forth between plotlines.

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Thank you - excellent method for helping me without spoiling

There’s just so much going on in this series - I like how it did not follow the classic Hollywood arc of having the son of the original “hero” avenge his father’s death and instead we end up with the red wedding.

I admit I’m much more into what’s happening on the Wall, and the development of the various Lannisters than the Khaleesi & the dragons. I predicted from the moment that the dragons hatched bad things were going to happen - an abused girl plus firebreathing dragons does not a good Pern parallel make! Though she is starting to grow on me a bit.

 

[ProdigalSon1211]

Anyone watching the new season of Game of Thrones? Anyone reading/read the books?

I have to read Game of Thrones for my American Popular Culture class at the University I attend and there will be quizzes on it. It is a very thick book…errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr…I am not even into this sci-fi fooey or whatever you call it !!!

 

[ephesians4]

This is a popular media forum, not a moral theology forum.

I was attempting to establish a friendly dialogue of who might have seen the show or read the books. Obviously some of you haven’t read the books, nor seen the show.

If you feel too uncomfortable/judgmental about such a topic as this or a show, I might suggest taking your views to some other thread.

Whoa, back up the steam roller for a second - isn’t it inevitable that people discuss how they feel about this stuff in the context of their faith when you post about it here? Isn’t that actually quite alright and good? Isn’t this kind of forum the safe space where you can say “I have an uncomfortable relationship with this kind of TV” around other Christians and have people understand where you’re coming from without being considered a terrible person?

I wouldn’t take it too badly

 

[CesarAugustus]

Whoa, back up the steam roller for a second - isn’t it inevitable that people discuss how they feel about this stuff in the context of their faith when you post about it here? Isn’t that actually quite alright and good? Isn’t this kind of forum the safe space where you can say “I have an uncomfortable relationship with this kind of TV” around other Christians and have people understand where you’re coming from without being considered a terrible person?

I wouldn’t take it too badly

I agree. Also, media is to be analyzed and studied. Specially now, since bad contents are more culturally accepted and sanctioned.

 

[CesarAugustus]

It’s just some people are disturbed about the sex that’s all over the series, and eventually generalize and dismiss it as purely a more “public” form of pornography. To be honest that annoys me and I worry that some people wouldn’t find the essence of the series which is a recreation of history and real-world politics and intrigue set in a medieval fantasy world. ** It has many female characters that are not treated as sexual objects but rather as people of dignity and strength -which is completely the exact opposite of what pornography really is, mind you.**

That would be a secular understanding of the problem of pornography (putting that as the main issue)… but, the main problem is about lust and sins related to the Sixth and Ninth Commandments.

 

[CradleJourney]

I have to read Game of Thrones for my American Popular Culture class at the University I attend and there will be quizzes on it. It is a very thick book…errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr…I am not even into this sci-fi fooey or whatever you call it !!!

Epic fantasy fiction

sci-fi - short for science fiction, by traditional definition, takes what we know of science today as a spring-board into what could be.

Since this series is obviously set in a different world, with different types of “science” - aka magic - then it would be considered fantasy not sci-fi, imho.

 

[CradleJourney]

That would be a secular understanding of the problem of pornography (putting that as the main issue)… but, the main problem is about lust and sins related to the Sixth and Ninth Commandments.

Maybe because I turned off the tv series due to what I consider really bad acting/directing and have stuck to the books instead, maybe because I’m female, maybe because I’m ignorant of some teaching, or maybe because of my personal background … but I honestly don’t see why this is really an issue.

There are bad characters doing bad things in this series, along with good characters doing bad things and bad characters doing good things.

I haven’t heard of anyone trying to argue against the immorality of many of the actions in the series. And I would fully agree that if this type of entertainment leads you towards sinful behavior you should avoid it. Whatever leads you towards sinful behavior you should avoid.

I guess I simply believed that would be a given, considering the nature of these boards, and that everyone would already agree with that.

So, obviously, I do not feel this series leads me towards sinful behavior - except for the temptation to read longer than I should and neglect getting the housework finished - but for me that is a temptation I face with any book I pick up.

Instead I find myself thinking how I would fare in a particular circumstance - like one of the first choices made - a man has broken his vow, the punishment is death. Is that death sentence fair given the circumstances? Is Stark being noble and honorable for carrying it out himself and doing so in front of his young son - thus teaching the boy how a man should act (enforcing the law, if you must sentence a man to die - do it yourself, etc.)? Or is this an exercise to demonstrate his own power and control?

(FTR - I am a bit ambivalent on the “no mercy” rule for deserters but knowing it traditionally been a staple of armed forces throughout history, I hesitate to go against the policy. And based on the follow up at the heart tree, I think Stark was acting how he felt to be the best leader and father he could be - though he regretted having to have to do it. Having boys myself, it’s difficult to make the decision on how much and when to expose them to what happens “in real life” - though obviously participating in be-headings is thankfully not apart of it.)

 

[CesarAugustus]

Maybe because I turned off the tv series due to what I consider really bad acting/directing and have stuck to the books instead, maybe because I’m female, maybe because I’m ignorant of some teaching, or maybe because of my personal background … but I honestly don’t see why this is really an issue.

These type of scenes have to be avoided… in various threads (similar to this one, about sexual content in media, etc) the dynamics are more or less, people finding excuses, and others posting doctrine, and the discussions in between. But still, is important to remind about the problems of these productions, specially in this times where some people don’t care.

 

[CradleJourney]

These type of scenes have to be avoided… in various threads (similar to this one, about sexual content in media, etc) the dynamics are more or less, people finding excuses, and others posting doctrine, and the discussions in between. But still, is important to remind about the problems of these productions, specially in this times where some people don’t care.

Hmm…I think I see what you’re saying. I probably should know better than to accept anything as a given.