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TerryPaul
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Hello,
What do people think about Garabandal?
it looks real to me!
God bless,
TJ
What do people think about Garabandal?
it looks real to me!
God bless,
TJ
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LilyM
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It is certainly not an approved apparition, and seems unlikely to be approved in future.
By the way, we’re not allowed to promote unapproved apparitions on these fora - as you’re doing by opining that it is genuine. It’s one of the forum rules you agreed to abide by when you signed up.
My personal view? Stick to the approved apparitions. Worry about Garabandal if it becomes approved.
By the way, we’re not allowed to promote unapproved apparitions on these fora - as you’re doing by opining that it is genuine. It’s one of the forum rules you agreed to abide by when you signed up.
My personal view? Stick to the approved apparitions. Worry about Garabandal if it becomes approved.
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TerryPaul
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Hi,
i am thankful for the reply
but I’m not “promoting” it … i am asking what people think …
to me, there looks like there is something supernatural going on … but i question from what side?
i am not trying to be rude, please believe me…
but when you say, “My personal view? Stick to the approved apparitions. Worry about Garabandal if it becomes approved.”
That is not your “opinion” about “Garabandal”, that is your opinion about all Marian sites… right? and i didn’t ask that.
I’ve been a Catholic for 40 years and have studied under Scott Hahn, Peter Kreeft etc.
i’d just like information on Garabandal … i’m not trying to “hurt nobody”
it’s important to me as many things seemed to be tied into it…
for example, i saw Joey Lomangeno on EWTN
and Padre Pio seems to be connected with it too…
i know it’s not approved nor disapproved, that’s why i ask … otherwise, i’d know the answer for sure …
btw. Didn’t we all know Padre Pio was a saint even before the official word from the Church?
See where I’m coming from?
i am thankful for the reply
but I’m not “promoting” it … i am asking what people think …
to me, there looks like there is something supernatural going on … but i question from what side?
i am not trying to be rude, please believe me…
but when you say, “My personal view? Stick to the approved apparitions. Worry about Garabandal if it becomes approved.”
That is not your “opinion” about “Garabandal”, that is your opinion about all Marian sites… right? and i didn’t ask that.
I’ve been a Catholic for 40 years and have studied under Scott Hahn, Peter Kreeft etc.
i’d just like information on Garabandal … i’m not trying to “hurt nobody”
it’s important to me as many things seemed to be tied into it…
for example, i saw Joey Lomangeno on EWTN
and Padre Pio seems to be connected with it too…
i know it’s not approved nor disapproved, that’s why i ask … otherwise, i’d know the answer for sure …
btw. Didn’t we all know Padre Pio was a saint even before the official word from the Church?
See where I’m coming from?
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LilyM
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That’s not what you said first. You said it ‘seems real’. A purported apparition of Mary that is anything other than an actual apparition of Our Lady by definition cannot be ‘real’ - it must in fact be either a mistake or an outright lie, and thus the opposite of ‘real’. So you were indicating that you though Mary really was appearing at G.
A said ‘worry about Garabandal if it becomes approved’. That IS my opinion about Garabandal - that it’s not worth wasting a thought on at this point in time.
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Luke65
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Garabandal is “not supernatural”, i.e., not from God - according to six straight bishops there, and the last of them said the decision was “final”. That doesn’t rule out the demonic (preternatural) - stay away from it. I think this thread might be closed (or deleted), although I actually think its a good idea to at least tell Catholics, repeatedly, the negative judgments by the Church on “apparitions” like Garabandal and Medjugorje. Observe:
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TerryPaul
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Hello All,
These are my thoughts & feelings …
What happened to “discussion”?
These days, most people seem to know all the answers except for me!
Yet, The Bible states, “Come let us reason together”, “Iron sharpening iron” etc.
What happened to “courtesy”? “hello’s”, “thank you’s” and “God bless” etc.?
The Bible states, “A kind word turns away wrath” & Endless Biblical Passages on proper conduct when dealing with a fellow believer
What happened to giving the other person the “benefit of the doubt”?
Reading the heart not just the spelling?
Why do people tell other people, “not to worry about” this or that?
When the Bible states, “Seek and you shall find…”
What happened to the days when only lawyers & the Pharisees were legalists?
Why do people take the time to reply to say, “it’s not worth talking the time”?
This is counter productive and probably stops others from replying and ends the “discussion”
And finally, why do i still bother?
These are my thoughts & feelings …
What happened to “discussion”?
These days, most people seem to know all the answers except for me!
Yet, The Bible states, “Come let us reason together”, “Iron sharpening iron” etc.
What happened to “courtesy”? “hello’s”, “thank you’s” and “God bless” etc.?
The Bible states, “A kind word turns away wrath” & Endless Biblical Passages on proper conduct when dealing with a fellow believer
What happened to giving the other person the “benefit of the doubt”?
Reading the heart not just the spelling?
Why do people tell other people, “not to worry about” this or that?
When the Bible states, “Seek and you shall find…”
What happened to the days when only lawyers & the Pharisees were legalists?
Why do people take the time to reply to say, “it’s not worth talking the time”?
This is counter productive and probably stops others from replying and ends the “discussion”
And finally, why do i still bother?
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LilyM
Guest
Terry, surely you’ve been on CAF often enough to notice that the vibe more often resembles a classroom discussion than a ladies’ knitting circle.
Which is not a bad thing at all. However, in a classroom, people tend to get to the point and not take up time with ‘howdedoos’ and ‘finedayisn’tit’smaams’. Not that they’re discourteous for doing so, it’s just the nature of the beast.
I think ‘iron sharpening iron’ is the perfect description - ain’t nothing touchy feely or ‘courteous’ about iron sharpening iron!
As for ‘don’t worry’ - it is shorthand (in my case) for ‘I don’t believe it benefits anyone to expend time or energy on this issue’.
Having not one but six pronouncments from the local bishop negativing a particular alleged apparition is indeed THE answer - the local ordinary is the ultimate authority on the apparitions, after all, unless Rome chooses to get involved, which they would only do if they disagreed. So what is there to discuss really?
Which is not a bad thing at all. However, in a classroom, people tend to get to the point and not take up time with ‘howdedoos’ and ‘finedayisn’tit’smaams’. Not that they’re discourteous for doing so, it’s just the nature of the beast.
I think ‘iron sharpening iron’ is the perfect description - ain’t nothing touchy feely or ‘courteous’ about iron sharpening iron!
As for ‘don’t worry’ - it is shorthand (in my case) for ‘I don’t believe it benefits anyone to expend time or energy on this issue’.
Having not one but six pronouncments from the local bishop negativing a particular alleged apparition is indeed THE answer - the local ordinary is the ultimate authority on the apparitions, after all, unless Rome chooses to get involved, which they would only do if they disagreed. So what is there to discuss really?
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TerryPaul
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Hello “Lillym”,
thank you for the reply.
i didn’t know about the statement from the Bishop there. See, that is an example of what i was looking for when i started the “topic”… i wanted information
as Peter Kreeft says, “One can not ask the question unless one knows a little about the answer.”
i am glad the issue is settled in your mind and maybe in many others but i like “epistemology” … i need to know why
i wonder why Mother Angelica had Joey on her show / network, 4 times, i think?
Joey, who was healed by Padre Pio, says Padre Pio said Garabandal was true …
How can the Church or anyone say Garabandal is not supernatural when the girls walked backwards etc. Then call it demonic
why not “condemn” it like “bayside” etc.
I don’t need Garabandal to be real, as i was not one of the 4 girls and i’m not even spanish …
but the messages are like those at Fatima etc. and i wonder how much longer will a Just God allow us to shun Him and drown in our own sins collectively?
i long to see a world that is growing in love
Dorothy Day said, “A good society is a society that helps one to be good”
i long for a “good society” for i long to be helped to be “good”!
thank you for the reply.
i didn’t know about the statement from the Bishop there. See, that is an example of what i was looking for when i started the “topic”… i wanted information
as Peter Kreeft says, “One can not ask the question unless one knows a little about the answer.”
i am glad the issue is settled in your mind and maybe in many others but i like “epistemology” … i need to know why
i wonder why Mother Angelica had Joey on her show / network, 4 times, i think?
Joey, who was healed by Padre Pio, says Padre Pio said Garabandal was true …
How can the Church or anyone say Garabandal is not supernatural when the girls walked backwards etc. Then call it demonic
why not “condemn” it like “bayside” etc.
I don’t need Garabandal to be real, as i was not one of the 4 girls and i’m not even spanish …
but the messages are like those at Fatima etc. and i wonder how much longer will a Just God allow us to shun Him and drown in our own sins collectively?
i long to see a world that is growing in love
Dorothy Day said, “A good society is a society that helps one to be good”
i long for a “good society” for i long to be helped to be “good”!
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Paul_Folbrecht
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Paul_Folbrecht
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Good people are always fooled by false apparitions - if that were not the case, the enemy would not bother.
I very seriously doubt that St. Pio is on record as giving any credence to the authenticity of the events at Garabandal.
In the context of the supernatural, the judgment of the local bishop is the judgment of the Church unless/until it is contradicted from above. This means the Church has spoken and Garabandal is condemned - six times over.
As for walking backwards, that strikes me as something well within the realm of preternatural (demonic) power.
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Cicero_Buck
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Are you the messiah, the son of the Blessed One?
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TerryPaul
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Hello all,
I’m sorry if this is too long but it’s worth it! (i think)
Good article:
From 1961 until 1965 four teenage girls saw visions of the Virgin Mary, the Christ Child, and angels. They received messages of the coming Chastisement, a coming warning, and a future miracle.
What is unique about this phenomenon is that almost all the games Satan plays were used with these girls. THIS WAS NOT A FRAUD. There is too much evidence of the other world here. It all started when the girls decided to steal some apples from the school teacher’s tree. They were thrown to their knees by an invisible force. In this first apparition they saw an angel. It must be remarked that angels do not allow humans to kneel before them.
SATANIC
Throughout the four years of the apparitions all the powers of Satan were used. The girls were taken into the air many times. One time one of the children was lifted over the top of a building. They were made to do ungodly movements of the body: taken swiftly above the ground, down the rocky hill hundreds of feet to meet “The Lady?”. In every case the children were FORCED to their knees in a quick undignified manor. Many times they were forced with their heads backwards in a position that could not be done naturally.
All of the children were heard to speak in LANGUAGES they did not know. On one occasion they prayed the “Our Father” in Greek. The girls were seen LIFTING each other up above their shoulders to kiss the lady. However, at other times, three grown men could not lift them.
Several times the girls were found SCREAMING. There were many “SIGNS IN THE SKY” seen by many people: moving stars, hosts, images, etc. In one case a fire was seen and the “Virgin” claimed that she had come in this FIRE.
In one very celebrated case the “angel” gave communion to Conchita and the host could be visibly seen by everyone. She was told to hold out her tongue until the “Virgin” came. She stayed with her tongue outstretched and the host on it for a long time. Many photographs were taken.
I’m sorry if this is too long but it’s worth it! (i think)
Good article:
From 1961 until 1965 four teenage girls saw visions of the Virgin Mary, the Christ Child, and angels. They received messages of the coming Chastisement, a coming warning, and a future miracle.
What is unique about this phenomenon is that almost all the games Satan plays were used with these girls. THIS WAS NOT A FRAUD. There is too much evidence of the other world here. It all started when the girls decided to steal some apples from the school teacher’s tree. They were thrown to their knees by an invisible force. In this first apparition they saw an angel. It must be remarked that angels do not allow humans to kneel before them.
SATANIC
Throughout the four years of the apparitions all the powers of Satan were used. The girls were taken into the air many times. One time one of the children was lifted over the top of a building. They were made to do ungodly movements of the body: taken swiftly above the ground, down the rocky hill hundreds of feet to meet “The Lady?”. In every case the children were FORCED to their knees in a quick undignified manor. Many times they were forced with their heads backwards in a position that could not be done naturally.
All of the children were heard to speak in LANGUAGES they did not know. On one occasion they prayed the “Our Father” in Greek. The girls were seen LIFTING each other up above their shoulders to kiss the lady. However, at other times, three grown men could not lift them.
Several times the girls were found SCREAMING. There were many “SIGNS IN THE SKY” seen by many people: moving stars, hosts, images, etc. In one case a fire was seen and the “Virgin” claimed that she had come in this FIRE.
In one very celebrated case the “angel” gave communion to Conchita and the host could be visibly seen by everyone. She was told to hold out her tongue until the “Virgin” came. She stayed with her tongue outstretched and the host on it for a long time. Many photographs were taken.
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TerryPaul
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LANGUAGE
In almost all the apparitions the girls entered into dialogues with the “Lady” about all kinds of NON-SENSE things, like how the Lady liked their clothes. The children were given the “Child Jesus” to pass around to each other like a TOY. Never once in the thousands of true apparitions we have studied did Christ or Mary ever say a SINGLE WORD that did not have a salvation meaning for the soul.
In the study of true and false apparitions, we have found that Mary and Christ have a particular personality, and so does Satan. Today we can just read the messages and sense the truth by the words. In Garabandal the word “punishment” is used instead of “Chastisement”. There are over 400 private revelations about the chastisement, never is the word “punishment” used. The use of “there must be” instead of “My Son desires”, or “you must be very good”, since the Bible says “only God is good”, would not be used my Mary. Think about “spread the message” instead of “do what your superior tells you.” Only Satan uses the word “Pope”. Our Lady always refers to him as “Holy Father” or “Vicar of Christ”.
The “Virgin” said that we should turn the wrath of God away from us by our own efforts. This is in violation of the Doctrine of the Faith, since we are not capable of any good without God’s graces. She also said that if we ask God for forgiveness with a sincere heart, he will pardon us. No mention of the obligation to then go to the Sacrament of Confession.
BLESSING
The “Virgin” asked that the girls not bring blessed sacramentals [rosaries, crucifixes, etc.], for she wanted to bless them herself. And over the years she is reported to have blessed and kisses hundreds of them. Remember that only blessed sacramentals affect Satan. Keep in mind, that Mary is not a priest. She cannot give a priestly blessing. Never in Her life or in any apparition for two thousand years has Mary given a priestly blessing to anything.
ILLUSION
The children claim to have touched the “Virgin” many times, and of course, they passed Jesus around. However, they claim that they could not feel anything. Now, this is false except in the case of an illusion. God does not do illusions, He is real. His Mother is real. Mary and Christ have real human bodies. As St. Thomas in Acts actually touched Christ and as Christ actually ate with them, so too Catherine Laboure actually laid her head on Mary’s lap and could feel Her.
After seeing the children actually passing something around, which was later said to be the Christ-child, the people asked if they actually touched Jesus.
“No, you cannot touch either the Blessed Mother or the Infant.”
“But how can this be?” they asked.
“Well, you see what you hold, but you feel nothing; you feel no weight. If you stretch your hand to touch Our Lady, your hand can go no further because Our Lady is there, but you fell nothing.”
Satan creates illusions, auto-suggestion creates illusions, a hypnotist creates illusions, but God creates the real thing.
PROPHESY
There are three prophesies in Garabandal: first a world-wide WARNING that everyone will see and feel; second, a MIRACLE at Garabandal that all will see and will remain there forever; and last, the PUNISHMENT. Twenty-five years later, nothing has happened.
But let us look at them. The warning is supposed to be seen and felt by everyone in the world so that we will know our sins and repent. That being the case we have no need to be watchful and keep our lamp burning, since God will warn us in time to repent. A priest, Father Lius Andreu, is reported to have seen a vision of the coming “miracle” but died without any know cause the next day. Conchita said that his body will be found uncorrupt after the “Great Miracle”. His body has since been exposed but he is not uncorrupt.
This is the same trick Satan used in inventing “Rapture”. The most important time in our life is “the moment of death”. Satan wants us to think we have no reason to fear this moment; therefore, he invents things like the WARNING or the RAPTURE. The Holy Scripture tells us that Chastisements will come like a thief in the night when we least expect them. But if we have a miracle first, there is no need to be watchful.
Last, but not least, all chastisements are conditional. There is no condition in the punishment told of in the Garabandal prophesies.
There are other prophesies. The “Virgin” said that the pope and Padre Pio would see the miracle. Both are dead. She said that there would be only two more popes and that this would be the last one. Other prophecies make it clear that this is not the last one.
Conchita insists that this is the last pope. However, according to the list of St. Malachi, the next pope will be called the Glory of the Olives. Should we believe Conchita or a saint. In fact the last Holy Father will be named “Peter”. Don Bosco prophesied that a Holy Father would die during a great chastisement and a new one would quickly replace him. That has not happened yet. There was also a miracle promised on October 18th of 1961. Nothing happened. And they were told this is the last warning to be given to the world. But since then hundreds of other apparitions around the world have been warning the world of everything under the sun.
In almost all the apparitions the girls entered into dialogues with the “Lady” about all kinds of NON-SENSE things, like how the Lady liked their clothes. The children were given the “Child Jesus” to pass around to each other like a TOY. Never once in the thousands of true apparitions we have studied did Christ or Mary ever say a SINGLE WORD that did not have a salvation meaning for the soul.
In the study of true and false apparitions, we have found that Mary and Christ have a particular personality, and so does Satan. Today we can just read the messages and sense the truth by the words. In Garabandal the word “punishment” is used instead of “Chastisement”. There are over 400 private revelations about the chastisement, never is the word “punishment” used. The use of “there must be” instead of “My Son desires”, or “you must be very good”, since the Bible says “only God is good”, would not be used my Mary. Think about “spread the message” instead of “do what your superior tells you.” Only Satan uses the word “Pope”. Our Lady always refers to him as “Holy Father” or “Vicar of Christ”.
The “Virgin” said that we should turn the wrath of God away from us by our own efforts. This is in violation of the Doctrine of the Faith, since we are not capable of any good without God’s graces. She also said that if we ask God for forgiveness with a sincere heart, he will pardon us. No mention of the obligation to then go to the Sacrament of Confession.
BLESSING
The “Virgin” asked that the girls not bring blessed sacramentals [rosaries, crucifixes, etc.], for she wanted to bless them herself. And over the years she is reported to have blessed and kisses hundreds of them. Remember that only blessed sacramentals affect Satan. Keep in mind, that Mary is not a priest. She cannot give a priestly blessing. Never in Her life or in any apparition for two thousand years has Mary given a priestly blessing to anything.
ILLUSION
The children claim to have touched the “Virgin” many times, and of course, they passed Jesus around. However, they claim that they could not feel anything. Now, this is false except in the case of an illusion. God does not do illusions, He is real. His Mother is real. Mary and Christ have real human bodies. As St. Thomas in Acts actually touched Christ and as Christ actually ate with them, so too Catherine Laboure actually laid her head on Mary’s lap and could feel Her.
After seeing the children actually passing something around, which was later said to be the Christ-child, the people asked if they actually touched Jesus.
“No, you cannot touch either the Blessed Mother or the Infant.”
“But how can this be?” they asked.
“Well, you see what you hold, but you feel nothing; you feel no weight. If you stretch your hand to touch Our Lady, your hand can go no further because Our Lady is there, but you fell nothing.”
Satan creates illusions, auto-suggestion creates illusions, a hypnotist creates illusions, but God creates the real thing.
PROPHESY
There are three prophesies in Garabandal: first a world-wide WARNING that everyone will see and feel; second, a MIRACLE at Garabandal that all will see and will remain there forever; and last, the PUNISHMENT. Twenty-five years later, nothing has happened.
But let us look at them. The warning is supposed to be seen and felt by everyone in the world so that we will know our sins and repent. That being the case we have no need to be watchful and keep our lamp burning, since God will warn us in time to repent. A priest, Father Lius Andreu, is reported to have seen a vision of the coming “miracle” but died without any know cause the next day. Conchita said that his body will be found uncorrupt after the “Great Miracle”. His body has since been exposed but he is not uncorrupt.
This is the same trick Satan used in inventing “Rapture”. The most important time in our life is “the moment of death”. Satan wants us to think we have no reason to fear this moment; therefore, he invents things like the WARNING or the RAPTURE. The Holy Scripture tells us that Chastisements will come like a thief in the night when we least expect them. But if we have a miracle first, there is no need to be watchful.
Last, but not least, all chastisements are conditional. There is no condition in the punishment told of in the Garabandal prophesies.
There are other prophesies. The “Virgin” said that the pope and Padre Pio would see the miracle. Both are dead. She said that there would be only two more popes and that this would be the last one. Other prophecies make it clear that this is not the last one.
Conchita insists that this is the last pope. However, according to the list of St. Malachi, the next pope will be called the Glory of the Olives. Should we believe Conchita or a saint. In fact the last Holy Father will be named “Peter”. Don Bosco prophesied that a Holy Father would die during a great chastisement and a new one would quickly replace him. That has not happened yet. There was also a miracle promised on October 18th of 1961. Nothing happened. And they were told this is the last warning to be given to the world. But since then hundreds of other apparitions around the world have been warning the world of everything under the sun.
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TerryPaul
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BISHOP
As we have stated many times, the only proof we need in any apparition is the decision of the local Bishop. He, and he alone, has the charisma of discernment in these matters. Not only did the Bishop in 1965 condemn Garabandal, but five bishops after him have condemned it. Even Rome had to come into the picture to aid the Bishop.
"The question having been closely examined and a decision having been reached by Your Excellency, the Sacred Congregation has come to the conclusion that there is no reason to intervene in this affair.
Cardinal Ottaviani
Cardinal Seper, Prefect of the congregation For the Sacred Doctrine Of the Faith wrote this letter to Archbishop Philip M. Hannan of New Orleans, Louisiana on April 21, 1970.
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"This office has received you letter of April 1970 in which you expressed justifiable apprehension about the diffusion of the Garabandal movement in your Archdiocese and in which you asked for clear and reliable guidelines from the Holy See for dealing with this phenomenon.
"The Holy See share your perception about the manifest and increasing confusion due to the diffusion of this movement among the faithful and desires with this letter to clarify its position on the matter.
"This Sacred Congregation despite requests form various Bishops and faithful has always refused to define the supernatural character of the events of Garabandal. After the definitive negative judgment issued by the Curia of Santander this Sacred Congregation, after attentive examination of the proceedings forwarded to this office has often praised the prudence that characterized the method followed in the examination but has still decided to leave direct responsibility for the matter to the local Ordinary.
"The Holy see has always held that the conclusions and dispositions of the Bishop of Santander were sufficiently secure guidelines for the Christian people and indications for the Bishops to order to dissuade people from participating in pilgrimages and other acts of devotion that are based on claims connected with or founded on the presumed apparitions and messages of Garabandal. On March 10, 1996; this Sacred Congregation wrote a letter to this effect to the Bishop of Santander who had also asked for a more explicit declaration of the Holy See to the matter.
"However promoters of the Garabandal movement have tried to minimize the decisions and the jurisdiction of the Bishop of Santander. THIS SACRED CONGREGATION WANTS IT TO BE CLEARLY UNDERSTOOD THAT THE BISHOP OF SANTANDER HAS BEEN AND CONTINUES TO BE THE ONLY ONE WITH COMPLETE JURISDICTION IN THIS MATTER AND THE HOLY SEE HAS NO INTENTION OF EXAMINING THIS QUESTION ANY FURTHER, since it holds that the examinations already carried out are sufficient as well as are the official declarations of the Bishop of Santander. There is no truth to the statement that the Holy See has named an Official Papal Private Investigator of Garabandal and affirmations attributed to the anonymous personage to the extent that the verification of the Garabandal apparitions lies completely in the hands of the Holy Father Pope Paul VI and other such expressions that aim at undermining the authority of the decisions of the Bishop of Santander are completely unfounded.
As we have stated many times, the only proof we need in any apparition is the decision of the local Bishop. He, and he alone, has the charisma of discernment in these matters. Not only did the Bishop in 1965 condemn Garabandal, but five bishops after him have condemned it. Even Rome had to come into the picture to aid the Bishop.
"The question having been closely examined and a decision having been reached by Your Excellency, the Sacred Congregation has come to the conclusion that there is no reason to intervene in this affair.
Cardinal Ottaviani
Cardinal Seper, Prefect of the congregation For the Sacred Doctrine Of the Faith wrote this letter to Archbishop Philip M. Hannan of New Orleans, Louisiana on April 21, 1970.
“Seal”
"This office has received you letter of April 1970 in which you expressed justifiable apprehension about the diffusion of the Garabandal movement in your Archdiocese and in which you asked for clear and reliable guidelines from the Holy See for dealing with this phenomenon.
"The Holy See share your perception about the manifest and increasing confusion due to the diffusion of this movement among the faithful and desires with this letter to clarify its position on the matter.
"This Sacred Congregation despite requests form various Bishops and faithful has always refused to define the supernatural character of the events of Garabandal. After the definitive negative judgment issued by the Curia of Santander this Sacred Congregation, after attentive examination of the proceedings forwarded to this office has often praised the prudence that characterized the method followed in the examination but has still decided to leave direct responsibility for the matter to the local Ordinary.
"The Holy see has always held that the conclusions and dispositions of the Bishop of Santander were sufficiently secure guidelines for the Christian people and indications for the Bishops to order to dissuade people from participating in pilgrimages and other acts of devotion that are based on claims connected with or founded on the presumed apparitions and messages of Garabandal. On March 10, 1996; this Sacred Congregation wrote a letter to this effect to the Bishop of Santander who had also asked for a more explicit declaration of the Holy See to the matter.
"However promoters of the Garabandal movement have tried to minimize the decisions and the jurisdiction of the Bishop of Santander. THIS SACRED CONGREGATION WANTS IT TO BE CLEARLY UNDERSTOOD THAT THE BISHOP OF SANTANDER HAS BEEN AND CONTINUES TO BE THE ONLY ONE WITH COMPLETE JURISDICTION IN THIS MATTER AND THE HOLY SEE HAS NO INTENTION OF EXAMINING THIS QUESTION ANY FURTHER, since it holds that the examinations already carried out are sufficient as well as are the official declarations of the Bishop of Santander. There is no truth to the statement that the Holy See has named an Official Papal Private Investigator of Garabandal and affirmations attributed to the anonymous personage to the extent that the verification of the Garabandal apparitions lies completely in the hands of the Holy Father Pope Paul VI and other such expressions that aim at undermining the authority of the decisions of the Bishop of Santander are completely unfounded.
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TerryPaul
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"In order to reply to certain doubts that you expressed in your letter this Sacred Congregation wishes to assert: that the Holy See has never approved even indirectly the Garabandal movement, that it has never encouraged or blessed Garabandal promoters or centers. Rather the Holy See deplores that fact that certain persons and Institutions persist in formatting the movement in obvious contradiction with the dispositions of ecclesiastical authority and thus disseminate confusion among the people especially among the simple and defenseless.
"From what has been said so far you will easily realize that though this Sacred Congregation certainly agrees with the contents of the note of May 10, 1969 (as published in various countries and especially in the French magazine LA DOCUMENTATION CATHOLIC September 21, 1966, n:1547 p. 821) It must say that it is inexact to attribute the part of the text that deals with the lack of supernatural character of the events of Garabandal of the Sacred Congregation which has always striven to abstain from any direct declaration on the question precisely because it did not consider it necessary to do so after the clear and express decisions of the Bishop of Santander. This is the genuine meaning of the letter written on January 21, 1970 by the Most Reverend Paul Phillippe, Secretary of this Sacred Congregation to the editor in chief of LA DOCUMENTATION CATHOLIQUE.
"In order to contribute further to your pastoral action in this matter, this office is enclosing other essential documents already published in other countries such as Spain: The two official notices of the Bishop of Santander, two letters of the Sacred Congregation to the same Bishop and a letter to the Apostolic Delegate to Mexico. This office hopes in this letter to have clarified a question that concerns not just your Archdiocese but also other dioceses.
"With sentiments of deepest esteem and cordial respect
"I am devotedly yours
signed:
"Francis Cardinal Seper Prefect
also signed:
“Paul Philippe , Secretary”
On October 11, 1996 the new bishop, Jose Vilaplana, again placed his prohibition on the alleged apparitions and said it is final.
"Some people have been coming directly to the Diocese of Santander (Spain) asking about the alleged apparitions of Garabandal and especially for the answer about the position of the hierarchy of the Church concerning these apparitions.
I need to communicate that:
All the bishops of the diocese since 1961 through 1970 agreed that there was no supernatural validity for the apparitions.
In the month of December of 1977 Bishop Dal Val of Santander, in union with his predecessors, stated that in the six years of being bishop of Santander there were no new phenomena.
The same bishop, Dal Val, let a few years go by to allow the confusion or fanaticism to settle down, and then he initiated a commission to examine the apparitions in more depth. The conclusion of the commission agreed with the findings of the previous bishops. That there was no supernatural validity to such apparitions.
At the time of the conclusions of the study, in 1991, I was installed bishop in the diocese. So during my visit to Rome, as limina visit which happened in the same year, I presented to the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith the study and I asked for pastoral direction concerning this case.
On Nov. 28, 1992, the Congregation sent me an answer saying that after examining the documentation, there was no need for direct intervention (by the Vatican) to take away the jurisdiction of the ordinary bishop of Santander in this case. Such a right belongs to the ordinary. Previous declarations of the Holy See agree in this finding. In the same letter they suggested that if I find it necessary to publish a declaration, that I reconfirm that there was no supernatural validity in the alleged apparitions, and this will make a unanimous position with my predecessors.
Given that the declarations of my predecessors who studied the case have been clear and unanimous, I don’t find it necessary to have a new public declaration that would raise notoriety about something which happened so long ago. However, I find it necessary to rewrite this report as a direct answer to the people who ask for direction concerning this question, which is now final: I agree with [and] I accept the decision of my predecessors and the direction of the Holy See.
In reference to the Eucharistic celebration in Garabandal, following the decision of my predecessors, I ruled that Masses can be celebrated only in the parish church and there will be no references to the alleged apparitions and visiting priests who want to say Mass must have approval from the pastor, who has my authorization. It’s my wish that this information is helpful to you.
My regards in Christ,
Jose Vilaplana
Bishop of Santander
Oct. 11, 1996
[Underlines added to the letter by author.]
"From what has been said so far you will easily realize that though this Sacred Congregation certainly agrees with the contents of the note of May 10, 1969 (as published in various countries and especially in the French magazine LA DOCUMENTATION CATHOLIC September 21, 1966, n:1547 p. 821) It must say that it is inexact to attribute the part of the text that deals with the lack of supernatural character of the events of Garabandal of the Sacred Congregation which has always striven to abstain from any direct declaration on the question precisely because it did not consider it necessary to do so after the clear and express decisions of the Bishop of Santander. This is the genuine meaning of the letter written on January 21, 1970 by the Most Reverend Paul Phillippe, Secretary of this Sacred Congregation to the editor in chief of LA DOCUMENTATION CATHOLIQUE.
"In order to contribute further to your pastoral action in this matter, this office is enclosing other essential documents already published in other countries such as Spain: The two official notices of the Bishop of Santander, two letters of the Sacred Congregation to the same Bishop and a letter to the Apostolic Delegate to Mexico. This office hopes in this letter to have clarified a question that concerns not just your Archdiocese but also other dioceses.
"With sentiments of deepest esteem and cordial respect
"I am devotedly yours
signed:
"Francis Cardinal Seper Prefect
also signed:
“Paul Philippe , Secretary”
On October 11, 1996 the new bishop, Jose Vilaplana, again placed his prohibition on the alleged apparitions and said it is final.
"Some people have been coming directly to the Diocese of Santander (Spain) asking about the alleged apparitions of Garabandal and especially for the answer about the position of the hierarchy of the Church concerning these apparitions.
I need to communicate that:
All the bishops of the diocese since 1961 through 1970 agreed that there was no supernatural validity for the apparitions.
In the month of December of 1977 Bishop Dal Val of Santander, in union with his predecessors, stated that in the six years of being bishop of Santander there were no new phenomena.
The same bishop, Dal Val, let a few years go by to allow the confusion or fanaticism to settle down, and then he initiated a commission to examine the apparitions in more depth. The conclusion of the commission agreed with the findings of the previous bishops. That there was no supernatural validity to such apparitions.
At the time of the conclusions of the study, in 1991, I was installed bishop in the diocese. So during my visit to Rome, as limina visit which happened in the same year, I presented to the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith the study and I asked for pastoral direction concerning this case.
On Nov. 28, 1992, the Congregation sent me an answer saying that after examining the documentation, there was no need for direct intervention (by the Vatican) to take away the jurisdiction of the ordinary bishop of Santander in this case. Such a right belongs to the ordinary. Previous declarations of the Holy See agree in this finding. In the same letter they suggested that if I find it necessary to publish a declaration, that I reconfirm that there was no supernatural validity in the alleged apparitions, and this will make a unanimous position with my predecessors.
Given that the declarations of my predecessors who studied the case have been clear and unanimous, I don’t find it necessary to have a new public declaration that would raise notoriety about something which happened so long ago. However, I find it necessary to rewrite this report as a direct answer to the people who ask for direction concerning this question, which is now final: I agree with [and] I accept the decision of my predecessors and the direction of the Holy See.
In reference to the Eucharistic celebration in Garabandal, following the decision of my predecessors, I ruled that Masses can be celebrated only in the parish church and there will be no references to the alleged apparitions and visiting priests who want to say Mass must have approval from the pastor, who has my authorization. It’s my wish that this information is helpful to you.
My regards in Christ,
Jose Vilaplana
Bishop of Santander
Oct. 11, 1996
[Underlines added to the letter by author.]
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TerryPaul
Guest
Never, has any apparition received so many condemnations as Garabandal. And yet, to this day, some of the finest priests and Catholic layman still hang on to this Satanic Vision and promote it.
LIES
In the past few years we have been to the Vatican and to San Giovanni Rotondo. It is claimed that the children went to Rome and received the Holy Fathers blessing on the miracles. It is also claimed that Padre Pio gave his approval to the messages of Garabandal. We can tell you [from our own visit to San Giovanni Rotondo and to Rome and from the above letter by Cardinal Seper] that these are both lies. To say “lie” is a strong word, but you can see that there was no foundation to the statement whatsoever. The Holy Father blessed the children without knowing who they were. Padre Pio did not approve of anything at Garabandal. This has been verified by Conchita.
Conchita and the rest of the children signed a document with the bishop agreeing with the findings of the Church and promised to never ever promote the apparitions again. These mystics have lived up to this signed document but the promoters have not. All the children retracted all belief in the miracles.
LIES
In the past few years we have been to the Vatican and to San Giovanni Rotondo. It is claimed that the children went to Rome and received the Holy Fathers blessing on the miracles. It is also claimed that Padre Pio gave his approval to the messages of Garabandal. We can tell you [from our own visit to San Giovanni Rotondo and to Rome and from the above letter by Cardinal Seper] that these are both lies. To say “lie” is a strong word, but you can see that there was no foundation to the statement whatsoever. The Holy Father blessed the children without knowing who they were. Padre Pio did not approve of anything at Garabandal. This has been verified by Conchita.
Conchita and the rest of the children signed a document with the bishop agreeing with the findings of the Church and promised to never ever promote the apparitions again. These mystics have lived up to this signed document but the promoters have not. All the children retracted all belief in the miracles.
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TerryPaul
Guest
OBEDIENCE
The Bishop of Garabandal has refused permission for any outside priest to come to Garabandal and say Mass. In spite of this, hundreds are still going. Publication of material on Garabandal is forbidden. We still have monthly magazines promoting the messages. We have a privately distributed book called “The Warning”, written by a priest. Newspapers and newsletters are sent everywhere. All of this was with Conchita’s approval. Not anymore!
In the magazine, GARABANDAL, October-December 1987 Issue, it was claimed that the bishop of Garabandal, Joan Antonio Del Val Gallo, lifted the ban on priest visiting and celebrating mass in Garabandal. This also was not true. Bishop Gallo did make a suggestion to Rome that he might lift the ban on people coming to Garabandal because they were coming anyway, and this was causing them to sin. Rome replied that no change in the previous bishops rulings would be appropriate. The matter was dropped forever.
We know that the followers of Apparitions will not believe anything any bishop says, since they take their orders directly from God via the mystics. “I would rather believe in God than man.” Of course, what they really mean without knowing it, is that they place their faith in the mystics instead of the Church. But this is not what Christ has said in Scripture and to true and approved seers. What the Church says, using Scripture as it’s guide, is that obedience is the first test of any miracle. (Romes 13:1) “Let everyone be subject to the higher authorities, FOR THERE EXISTS NO AUTHORITY EXCEPT FROM GOD. And those who exist have been appointed by God. Therefore he who RESISTS THE AUTHORITY RESISTS THE ORDINANCE OF GOD; AND THEY THAT RESIST BRING ON THEMSELVES CONDEMNATION.”
Of course, this Gnostic generation of spiritualists will not believe the Church or the Bible, but maybe they will believe the approved mystics. Listen to the words of Christ to Josefa Menendez. (Page 72, The Way of Divine Love, Tan Books and Publishers, Inc.)
‘Know for certain that if I ask you one thing and your Mother (Superior) asks another, I prefer you to obey her rather than Me." And on Page 51, “I trust in you fidelity and obedience to Myself and to Reverend Mother, WHO REPRESENTS ME.” Page 99, “— You must first submit to the will of your Superior, even before you do what I, Myself, ask you.” Taking Christ at His word, Josefa said this to Christ the next time He appeared to her. “If you are really He, whom I believe You to be, Lord, deign not to take offense if I am made to ask leave every time, before listening to You and following You.”
Christ answered, “I am not offended, on the contrary, I want you always to obey, and I, Myself, will obey.”
Mary, the sWord of discernment, taught Josefa how to know whether the apparition was of God or of Satan, because not only Christ and Mary were appearing to her, but Satan was also appearing as Christ or Mary, and Josefa could not tell the difference. (Page 87)
“My daughter, I will give you a lesson of VERY GREAT IMPORTANCE. The devil is like a mad dog, but he is chained, that is to say, his liberty is curtailed. He can, therefore, only seize and devour his prey if you venture to near him, and that is why his usual tactics are to make himself appear as a lamb. The soul does not realize this, and draws nearer and nearer, only to discover his malice when in his clutches. When he seems far away, do not relax your vigilance, child. His footsteps are padded and silent, that he may take you unawares.”
(Page 98) “Pay no attention to the artifice of the devil, who tries to persuade you that the confidence you have in you Mother (superior) subtracts something from your tenderness for Jesus. If he is able to master you in this matter, he will have gained everything.”
(Page 108) "Listen, Josefa, now is the time to SUBMIT YOUR JUDGMENT TO OBEDIENCE, and so you will be expiating the pride of that soul [a soul Josefa was trying to convert].
(Page 60) “My child, never be afraid of suffering or of sacrifice. Such are Gods ways. If you are to come out victoriously from the assaults of the devil, PAY GREAT ATTENTION TO TWO THINGS: First, HUMBLE YOURSELF, for you are nothing and deserve nothing. Everything comes to you as a grace from God. Second, when you feel lonely and given up to temptation, when your soul is cold and you have no courage to go on, do not give up prayer. Pray humbly and confidently, and GO AT ONCE TO SEEK GUIDANCE FROM HER WHO GOD HAS GIVEN YOU FOR THAT PURPOSE. BELIEVE ME, CHILD, IF YOU DO THIS, YOU WILL MAKE NO MISTAKES.”
Satan appeared often to Josefa as Christ or Mary, she could not tell by looking or talking who it was, so she asked the vision to repeat after her the Divine Praises, and her vow of obedience and virginity, Jesus, Himself, His Immaculate Mother, and Saint Madeleine Sophie [who also appeared to her], all repeated after her. (Page 129) “But the Devil with his polluted lips was never able to utter such words of praise and benediction, for he can no longer love. When unmasked thus, his furious violence was redoubled.”
Compare the obedience of Josefa to the promoters of Garabandal.
The Bishop of Garabandal has refused permission for any outside priest to come to Garabandal and say Mass. In spite of this, hundreds are still going. Publication of material on Garabandal is forbidden. We still have monthly magazines promoting the messages. We have a privately distributed book called “The Warning”, written by a priest. Newspapers and newsletters are sent everywhere. All of this was with Conchita’s approval. Not anymore!
In the magazine, GARABANDAL, October-December 1987 Issue, it was claimed that the bishop of Garabandal, Joan Antonio Del Val Gallo, lifted the ban on priest visiting and celebrating mass in Garabandal. This also was not true. Bishop Gallo did make a suggestion to Rome that he might lift the ban on people coming to Garabandal because they were coming anyway, and this was causing them to sin. Rome replied that no change in the previous bishops rulings would be appropriate. The matter was dropped forever.
We know that the followers of Apparitions will not believe anything any bishop says, since they take their orders directly from God via the mystics. “I would rather believe in God than man.” Of course, what they really mean without knowing it, is that they place their faith in the mystics instead of the Church. But this is not what Christ has said in Scripture and to true and approved seers. What the Church says, using Scripture as it’s guide, is that obedience is the first test of any miracle. (Romes 13:1) “Let everyone be subject to the higher authorities, FOR THERE EXISTS NO AUTHORITY EXCEPT FROM GOD. And those who exist have been appointed by God. Therefore he who RESISTS THE AUTHORITY RESISTS THE ORDINANCE OF GOD; AND THEY THAT RESIST BRING ON THEMSELVES CONDEMNATION.”
Of course, this Gnostic generation of spiritualists will not believe the Church or the Bible, but maybe they will believe the approved mystics. Listen to the words of Christ to Josefa Menendez. (Page 72, The Way of Divine Love, Tan Books and Publishers, Inc.)
‘Know for certain that if I ask you one thing and your Mother (Superior) asks another, I prefer you to obey her rather than Me." And on Page 51, “I trust in you fidelity and obedience to Myself and to Reverend Mother, WHO REPRESENTS ME.” Page 99, “— You must first submit to the will of your Superior, even before you do what I, Myself, ask you.” Taking Christ at His word, Josefa said this to Christ the next time He appeared to her. “If you are really He, whom I believe You to be, Lord, deign not to take offense if I am made to ask leave every time, before listening to You and following You.”
Christ answered, “I am not offended, on the contrary, I want you always to obey, and I, Myself, will obey.”
Mary, the sWord of discernment, taught Josefa how to know whether the apparition was of God or of Satan, because not only Christ and Mary were appearing to her, but Satan was also appearing as Christ or Mary, and Josefa could not tell the difference. (Page 87)
“My daughter, I will give you a lesson of VERY GREAT IMPORTANCE. The devil is like a mad dog, but he is chained, that is to say, his liberty is curtailed. He can, therefore, only seize and devour his prey if you venture to near him, and that is why his usual tactics are to make himself appear as a lamb. The soul does not realize this, and draws nearer and nearer, only to discover his malice when in his clutches. When he seems far away, do not relax your vigilance, child. His footsteps are padded and silent, that he may take you unawares.”
(Page 98) “Pay no attention to the artifice of the devil, who tries to persuade you that the confidence you have in you Mother (superior) subtracts something from your tenderness for Jesus. If he is able to master you in this matter, he will have gained everything.”
(Page 108) "Listen, Josefa, now is the time to SUBMIT YOUR JUDGMENT TO OBEDIENCE, and so you will be expiating the pride of that soul [a soul Josefa was trying to convert].
(Page 60) “My child, never be afraid of suffering or of sacrifice. Such are Gods ways. If you are to come out victoriously from the assaults of the devil, PAY GREAT ATTENTION TO TWO THINGS: First, HUMBLE YOURSELF, for you are nothing and deserve nothing. Everything comes to you as a grace from God. Second, when you feel lonely and given up to temptation, when your soul is cold and you have no courage to go on, do not give up prayer. Pray humbly and confidently, and GO AT ONCE TO SEEK GUIDANCE FROM HER WHO GOD HAS GIVEN YOU FOR THAT PURPOSE. BELIEVE ME, CHILD, IF YOU DO THIS, YOU WILL MAKE NO MISTAKES.”
Satan appeared often to Josefa as Christ or Mary, she could not tell by looking or talking who it was, so she asked the vision to repeat after her the Divine Praises, and her vow of obedience and virginity, Jesus, Himself, His Immaculate Mother, and Saint Madeleine Sophie [who also appeared to her], all repeated after her. (Page 129) “But the Devil with his polluted lips was never able to utter such words of praise and benediction, for he can no longer love. When unmasked thus, his furious violence was redoubled.”
Compare the obedience of Josefa to the promoters of Garabandal.
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TerryPaul
Guest
PROMOTION
Do they have a right to promote Garabandal based on Pope Paul VI’s doing away with the Index? No!
The Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith,
November 1996
Regarding the circulation of texts of alleged private revelations, the Congregation states:
The Interpretation given by some individuals to a Decision approved by Paul VI on 14 October 1966 and promulgated on 15 November of that year, in virtue of which writings and messages resulting from alleged revelations could be freely circulated in the Church, is absolutely groundless. This decision actually referred to the “abolition of the Index of Forbidden Books” and determined that — after the relevant censures were lifted — the moral obligation still remained of not circulating or reading those writings which endanger faith and morals.
In should be recalled however that with regard to the circulation of texts of alleged private revelations, canon 623 #1 of the current Code remains in force: “the Pastors of the Church have the … right to demand that writings to be published by the Christian faithful which touch upon faith or morals be submitted to their judgement”.
Alleged supernatural revelations and writings concerning them are submitted in first instance to the judgement of the diocesan Bishop, and , in particular cases, to the judgement of the Episcopal Conference and the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith.
[underlines added]
But they will say, “Look at the Fruits.” The real fruits will be shown in the 20,000 people who flew to Garabandal for the Warning, but first let’s look at basic fruits.
Do they have a right to promote Garabandal based on Pope Paul VI’s doing away with the Index? No!
The Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith,
November 1996
Regarding the circulation of texts of alleged private revelations, the Congregation states:
The Interpretation given by some individuals to a Decision approved by Paul VI on 14 October 1966 and promulgated on 15 November of that year, in virtue of which writings and messages resulting from alleged revelations could be freely circulated in the Church, is absolutely groundless. This decision actually referred to the “abolition of the Index of Forbidden Books” and determined that — after the relevant censures were lifted — the moral obligation still remained of not circulating or reading those writings which endanger faith and morals.
In should be recalled however that with regard to the circulation of texts of alleged private revelations, canon 623 #1 of the current Code remains in force: “the Pastors of the Church have the … right to demand that writings to be published by the Christian faithful which touch upon faith or morals be submitted to their judgement”.
Alleged supernatural revelations and writings concerning them are submitted in first instance to the judgement of the diocesan Bishop, and , in particular cases, to the judgement of the Episcopal Conference and the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith.
[underlines added]
But they will say, “Look at the Fruits.” The real fruits will be shown in the 20,000 people who flew to Garabandal for the Warning, but first let’s look at basic fruits.
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TerryPaul
Guest
FRUITS
Conchita entered a convent but received a message that she should not become a nun. She is now married to a much older man, who was married before and had children from a former wife or wives. Not one of her relatives went to her wedding. She is now living in the United States. She had a home in Garabandal which was a pilgrim stop but sold it and bought a condo here in Fatima where she stays several months a year. If the miracle is going to be in Garabandal, why is Conchita living in the United States? I have met and talked with her several times. She claims to have no memory of the apparitions but this could be just a way to obey the Bishop. If not, it is much more proof of the false.
One of the leading men of the messages of Fatima has become so involved in Garabandal he has left the Fatima Apostolate and promotes Garabandal full time. He has been successful in mixing the messages of Fatima with the Satanic messages of Garabandal, and thousands of Catholics have followed his example. Priests have died, out of communion with the Church, because of their disobedience to their superiors.
Garabandal is the an aping of Fatima. Attention has been drawn away from Fatima or all mixed up in the false messages of Garabandal. Satan has mimicked and exaggerated Fatima at Garabandal. Any priest or layman who promotes Garabandal publicly or privately is sinning against obedience and love. Any priest or layman, who does not openly support the local bishop in this matter, is sinning against love by his silence.
These are the fruits: disobedience to the bishop of Garabandal and to Rome; disrespect of authority; diffusion of Fatima; worship of Satan; promotion of Satan; and infidelity to the Doctrine of Christ.
As we told a leader of the movement for Garabandal [who told us to hold our decision in the matter until we see if there is a miracle]:
“If there was a warning that the whole world saw and felt, and if there was a miracle that the whole world could see, we still would not believe in Garabandal, for Christ warned us of just such things.”
Conchita entered a convent but received a message that she should not become a nun. She is now married to a much older man, who was married before and had children from a former wife or wives. Not one of her relatives went to her wedding. She is now living in the United States. She had a home in Garabandal which was a pilgrim stop but sold it and bought a condo here in Fatima where she stays several months a year. If the miracle is going to be in Garabandal, why is Conchita living in the United States? I have met and talked with her several times. She claims to have no memory of the apparitions but this could be just a way to obey the Bishop. If not, it is much more proof of the false.
One of the leading men of the messages of Fatima has become so involved in Garabandal he has left the Fatima Apostolate and promotes Garabandal full time. He has been successful in mixing the messages of Fatima with the Satanic messages of Garabandal, and thousands of Catholics have followed his example. Priests have died, out of communion with the Church, because of their disobedience to their superiors.
Garabandal is the an aping of Fatima. Attention has been drawn away from Fatima or all mixed up in the false messages of Garabandal. Satan has mimicked and exaggerated Fatima at Garabandal. Any priest or layman who promotes Garabandal publicly or privately is sinning against obedience and love. Any priest or layman, who does not openly support the local bishop in this matter, is sinning against love by his silence.
These are the fruits: disobedience to the bishop of Garabandal and to Rome; disrespect of authority; diffusion of Fatima; worship of Satan; promotion of Satan; and infidelity to the Doctrine of Christ.
As we told a leader of the movement for Garabandal [who told us to hold our decision in the matter until we see if there is a miracle]:
“If there was a warning that the whole world saw and felt, and if there was a miracle that the whole world could see, we still would not believe in Garabandal, for Christ warned us of just such things.”
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TerryPaul
Guest
THE WARNING FLIGHT
The 101 Foundation - Queen Peace Flight to Moscow" was brought about by “alleged” messages from certain mystics. These messages claimed that by bringing the Official Fatima Statue and the mystics (six) to Moscow, the great conversion would take place. It was besides the fact, that Lucia of Fatima said the Consecration was completed in 1984 and Mary would keep Her promise. The flight was a fiasco in many ways, even causing $20,000 damage to the greatest sacramental in the modern world. [We have a report on this flight that everyone should read and never forget.]
Apparently, they did not learn. Before this flight [101] was even off the ground, these same mystics were saying that the “Great Warning” of Garabandal would take place on Holy Thursday, April 13, 1995.
They packed many many airplanes at over $2000.00 per seat. In Garabandal there were between 15,000 and 20,000 people packed on the little mountain against the orders of the bishop. Over one hundred Spanish policeman were needed.
Fourteen days later, they published an apology.
“I wish to apologize to any and all for the inconvenience caused by an erroneous prediction of the great miracle on Holy Thursday, April 13, 1995.”
People were screaming for their money back. There was no miracle, there were no accommodations, everything was a mess, almost as bad as Jim Jones. They assured people that they still had there money but they went on to say how many financial problems they had, and asked that they have mercy. They went on to say that Mary has asked us to perform acts of penance, and they quoted “Garabandal, San Damiano, Medjugorje, Akita, Venezuela, Rwanda, and Father Gobbi.” [All but Akita are false.]
The 101 Foundation - Queen Peace Flight to Moscow" was brought about by “alleged” messages from certain mystics. These messages claimed that by bringing the Official Fatima Statue and the mystics (six) to Moscow, the great conversion would take place. It was besides the fact, that Lucia of Fatima said the Consecration was completed in 1984 and Mary would keep Her promise. The flight was a fiasco in many ways, even causing $20,000 damage to the greatest sacramental in the modern world. [We have a report on this flight that everyone should read and never forget.]
Apparently, they did not learn. Before this flight [101] was even off the ground, these same mystics were saying that the “Great Warning” of Garabandal would take place on Holy Thursday, April 13, 1995.
They packed many many airplanes at over $2000.00 per seat. In Garabandal there were between 15,000 and 20,000 people packed on the little mountain against the orders of the bishop. Over one hundred Spanish policeman were needed.
Fourteen days later, they published an apology.
“I wish to apologize to any and all for the inconvenience caused by an erroneous prediction of the great miracle on Holy Thursday, April 13, 1995.”
People were screaming for their money back. There was no miracle, there were no accommodations, everything was a mess, almost as bad as Jim Jones. They assured people that they still had there money but they went on to say how many financial problems they had, and asked that they have mercy. They went on to say that Mary has asked us to perform acts of penance, and they quoted “Garabandal, San Damiano, Medjugorje, Akita, Venezuela, Rwanda, and Father Gobbi.” [All but Akita are false.]
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