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I am writing an article on gay adoption…As president of the Catholic Student Union, I think that you would be a valuable source for my story. I was wondering your thoughts on this issue–do you agree or disagree with gay adoption, and why?
I am the president of Catholic Student Union at a very liberal campus. I want to articulate the Catholic stance very well. Can I have some help?
 
junostarlighter:

In simplicity, HS is caused by a temptation, thus we find in OT ,Cor and Peter, commands that warn us to stay away from it.
It is a very subtle and deceitful temptation. Usually the sinner’s first suggestion is one of innocent exploration. He gives in, thus losing a measured amount of graces to fend off the next assault. At the same time, by a measure, the evil gains a further foothold. Has the senses are gratified in this new delectable experience, his appetites are satiatiated further, and so on. It is a downward spiral.

In the second manifestation, the evil works on getting the person to identify with the sin. He was always “this way”. Wishing to remain social, others bend to his wishes that they recognize that this is not an affliction but a condition, and they comply. He becomes to them the permanent “gay”. Thus the label assists the evil in preventing others to question cause an effect, and to bring all into contentment of the person’s state. He becomes just as much being gay, as he is being caucasion,male,etc.

He now feels this is his normalcy, and the ruse is hidden from him. The evil in some cases will not hinder this content life, and the days will be sunny and full of wordly happiness, but caught in a world of Devine norms, indicators that he is not in conformity with it will continually haunt him. His master is satisfied, and he need not work hard at maintaining this level
deception. It becomes one of maintenance to keep the engine in running order. Conscience will indicate a glimmer that there is something wrong, but by now has grace wains, it is merely a dot in the darkness, it’s plea barely heard.

In this state, he feels he can perform as a role model to others. The Sanctified Christian family is in peril when this evil is around. Evil wishes to entrench it’s influence into young minds at a receptive age, and define normalcy for the child. The child learns to live the evil every minute of his day. Dad and DaDa are seen as kind caring individuals, the very acts of goodness being valueless until reconciliation. The intent of the evil not yet obvious, will only become evident later, but meanwhile the child must endure redicule from his friends. It is unlikely he will be taught Catholic mores and benefit from full exposure to the fruits of the Faith, nor will he benefit from the armament of the Sacraments that would assist him in his predicament. It’s precepts at odds with this lifestyle.

The obstinate sinner does not wish to have his life interrupted by rule, so he attempts to live as if it doesn’t exist. Already determined in his unwillingness to take on challenges for his spiritual betterment, he takes on the mission of his master, and now he feels he is the ideal candidate to instill spirituality in the raising of children. At this point he could do a self study, even allow for a benefit of the doubt, and take on devotions and practice discernment, and call on aid of those too willing to go to bat for him, but the master will have none of it. HS is not picked on as a target. Those caught in any habitual mortal sin are never a suitable role model for children, and conscience will convey that to him.

HS is the ideal study of the effects of subtle temptation, of attempted identity change, and sadest of all, an example of the compounding of sin and it’s effects. It stains everyone in proximity to it. The remedy is a return to the obligations of the Church,devotions,confessions,charity,sacrifice, daily Rosary, prayers to Sts. Michael & Ignatius and removal of oneself from the occasions of sin by substitution and diversion.

AndyF
 
I get the following email…

I am the president of Catholic Student Union at a very liberal campus. I want to articulate the Catholic stance very well. Can I have some help?
I recently read “Beyond the Birds and the Bees” by Greg Popcak. It explains the Catholic position really clearly and with tremendous charity and compassion. Basically, the Church’s positio is really simple. It has rules on chastity and it expects all people to follow those rules equally, whether they are gay or straight. If you understand about chastity- why it is important, you can explain why the church has a problem with gay sex.

We are a unity, created male & female to be of service to one another. Remember that the greatest comandment is love of God and love of neighbour; we are a social creature. We are created in God’s image, one being, two genders. Life is a journey into the Trinity and therefore we only become whole in marriage when we can love one another in the same way as the Holy Spirit is the love between the father and the son.

When we have sex, we give a part of ourselves to the person we sleep with. The act is about incarnating that love between you- that love which is an image of the love of the creator.

If you’re serious, you can check out a load of heavy Catholic stuff like Humanae Vitae and also I think a reading of Gadium et Spes which is the Pastoral Constitution On The Church In The Modern World would provide you with a really sound foundation to answer this question in that it explains many of the truths of human existence.

Greg’s books are avaliable from Amazon amazon.com/s?ie=UTF8&search-type=ss&index=books&field-author=Gregory%20K.%20Popcak&page=1

And his website is www.exceptionalmarriages.com

If I could give you one bit of advice, it would be to remember the words at the start of the Catechism-

Above all - Charity

The whole concern of doctrine and its teaching must be directed to the love that never ends. Whether something is proposed for belief, for hope or for action, the love of our Lord must always be made accessible, so that anyone can see that all the works of perfect Christian virtue spring from love and have no other objective than to arrive at love. [Roman Catechism, Preface 10; cf. I Cor 13 8.]

Hope this helps. 👍
 
I get the following email…

I am the president of Catholic Student Union at a very liberal campus. I want to articulate the Catholic stance very well. Can I have some help?
It appears to me that the posters who have responded so far have missed the question entirely! From my reading the question is about “gays” adopting.

Every child should be born into and brought up in a stable family with married parents - one father and one mother. Not two fathers or two mothers. Life in an artificial family - such as that of a homosexual couple is very likely to result in severe psychological / emotional difficulties.

Further, a child being brought up in such a scenario is going to be taught - by example, if by no other way - that such abnormal parentage is really normal.

Gay couples should not ever be allowed to adopt children.
 
It appears to me that the posters who have responded so far have missed the question entirely! From my reading the question is about “gays” adopting.

Every child should be born into and brought up in a stable family with married parents - one father and one mother. Not two fathers or two mothers. Life in an artificial family - such as that of a homosexual couple is very likely to result in severe psychological / emotional difficulties.

Further, a child being brought up in such a scenario is going to be taught - by example, if by no other way - that such abnormal parentage is really normal.

Gay couples should not ever be allowed to adopt children.
According to the following associations and institutes, gay parents are no less fit than straight ones:

American Academy of Children and Adolescents
American Academy of Family Physicians
American Academy of Pediatrics
American Bar Association
American Medical Association
American Psychiatric Association
American Psychoanalytic Association
American Psychological Association
Child Welfare League of America
National Adoption Center
National Association of Social Workers
North American Council on Adoptable Children
Evan B. Donaldson Adoption Institute
Stanford
Princeton
Yale
Johns Hopkins University
Tufts University

Would you rather have a hungry/neglected kid in an underpaid orphanage, or a kid living with gay parents who care for and love the child?
 
Hi again Nydas 👋
Please note the original poster asked for information regarding the Catholic stance on this issue.

Here’s a document from the Vatican that shows the Catholic Church’s position against homosexual adoptions.
http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/c...cfaith_doc_20030731_homosexual-unions_en.html
From section 7 in this document we read:(emphasis mine)
…As experience has shown, the absence of sexual complementarity in these unions creates obstacles in the normal development of children who would be placed in the care of such persons. They would be deprived of the experience of either fatherhood or motherhood. Allowing children to be adopted by persons living in such unions would actually mean doing violence to these children, in the sense that their condition of dependency would be used to place them in an environment that is not conducive to their full human development. **This is gravely immoral **and in open contradiction to the principle, recognized also in the United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child, that the best interests of the child, as the weaker and more vulnerable party, are to be the paramount consideration in every case.
Back in March of 2006, Archbishop William Levada, (current Prefect of the Vatican’s Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith), announced no bishop should allow homosexual partners to adopt children through their charitable agencies. There were some related news stories regarding Catholic adoption agencies in Boston and San Francisco. Here’s a link to one such story at Life Sites News:. http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2006/mar/06031007.html
 
I get the following email…

I am the president of Catholic Student Union at a very liberal campus. I want to articulate the Catholic stance very well. Can I have some help?
Dale O’Leary wrote a series of articles tackling gay marriage and gay adoption. I’m sure you could google her name and find them. Also, I recently read a book put out by Catholic Answers entitled, “Male and Female He made them” by Mary Jo Anderson and Robin Burnhoff. This is an excellent synopsis of the reason why these things are wrong - it done in an easy Q & A style.
 
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nydas:
Would you rather have a hungry/neglected kid in an underpaid orphanage, or a kid living with gay parents who care for and love the child?
Only through the love of God by obeying His laws can we love others, therefore they don’t love the children.

What would it benefit the couple anyway.? Did you know that the good they do is never credited until they are absolved of the sin? Think about that one. If they raise the children after 20 years, they attain zero,nada,zilch credit for raising them. They go to their end with nothing to show for it. That is because by their will they lack the sanctifying grace necessary to attain heaven, and are content in their state that deverts them from their last end.

Summa: "…the act of the will consists in a movement towards things themselves, so that love attaches the soul to the thing loved. Thus it is that the soul is stained, when it cleaves inordinately, according to Osee 9:10: “They . . . became abominable as those things were which they loved.”

They need to first feel remorse for their lifestyle and then the desire to make amends, then confess, then do penance. Harder to do as the years go by, and riskier too, especially if one depends on that fading grey matter to remember his state of mortal sin. That’s one gauntlet that no one can bypass.

AndyF
 
Only through the love of God by obeying His laws can we love others, therefore they don’t love the children.

What would it benefit the couple anyway.? Did you know that the good they do is never credited until they are absolved of the sin? Think about that one. If they raise the children after 20 years, they attain zero,nada,zilch credit for raising them. They go to their end with nothing to show for it. That is because by their will they lack the sanctifying grace necessary to attain heaven, and are content in their state that deverts them from their last end.

Summa: "…the act of the will consists in a movement towards things themselves, so that love attaches the soul to the thing loved. Thus it is that the soul is stained, when it cleaves inordinately, according to Osee 9:10: “They . . . became abominable as those things were which they loved.”

They need to first feel remorse for their lifestyle and then the desire to make amends, then confess, then do penance. Harder to do as the years go by, and riskier too, especially if one depends on that fading grey matter to remember his state of mortal sin. That’s one gauntlet that no one can bypass.

AndyF
And all of this would only apply if your religion is, in fact, true. And since religion is based on faith, and that there is no way to prove it, people should not be force to adhere to your way of life.
 
And all of this would only apply if your religion is, in fact, true. And since religion is based on faith, and that there is no way to prove it, people should not be force to adhere to your way of life.
There’s a typical atheist response if I ever heard one. Catholicism runs on faith and reason. Reason alone is blind just like faith by itself is. The two beg for each other and complete one another.

Hmmmmm…sounds like an analogy of a marriage 😃
 
Howdy! :tiphat:

Ya i know. I just dont like to let a potentially good debate slip by.
I couldn’t debate last night, (parental duties and all) It’s so very tempting to address your other posts and debate now, but I feel a stronger need to make sure the original poster can present the Catholic perspective clearly on this issue. Your pressence in this thread can be very helpful in pointing out any errors in our logic.

Now for some of my random thoughts on this topic.

Biggest point: children are a gift. No one is “entitled” to be a parent. The Catholic church teaches that children are “the supreme gift of marriage.”

Some people are naturally infertile through physical defects. They often discover their infertility after living through disappointment and heartbreak for years while trying to concieve. Frequently after a husband and wife have tried for years to have a baby of their own, they turn to adoption.

Some sexual acts are naturally infertile, not because the people themselves are infertile or physically defective, but because the acts are. People know from the onset that both male and female parts are needed to make a baby. Based on biology, homosexual couples know from the onset they can not create a child together.

As I wrote earlier, no one is “entitled” to a child". Viewing a child as an entitlement detracts from the dignity of the child, turning the child into a sort of possession or accessory.

With all else equal, children do best with both a mother and a father. Humans knew this instictively for years, but now some ask for research to “prove it”. Research is out there to prove this, so it might be helpful to include a bit in your argument.

The biggest problem that I see with homosexual adoption is that it places a child in the artificially created possission of denying that child of either a mother or a father.

Some argue that men and women are essentially the same and therefore the child doesn’t need mom and dad, but the irony is that homosexuality itself bears witness to the argument that men and women are not the same. If men and women are the same, then why does a homosexual man prefer men? If men and women are the same, why does a homosexual woman prefer women? Some have asked if we think they would choose to be homosexual, trying to make the point they were born that way. Well, if they were born that way, then they also were born knowing that there is some difference between men and women. I believe our differences as men and women create the ideal environment for raising children.

Oh, I’d love to stay and share more random thoughts, (or better organize the thoughts already presented) but duty calls. I’d hoped to dig out a great quote by Christopher West who wrote something about how when we argue about sex, we are really arguing about how we view the meaning of life. Thise really is an argument about the meaning of life, the meaning of love, the meaning of family.
 
According to the following associations and institutes, gay parents are no less fit than straight ones:

American Academy of Children and Adolescents
American Academy of Family Physicians
American Academy of Pediatrics
American Bar Association
American Medical Association
American Psychiatric Association
American Psychoanalytic Association
American Psychological Association
Child Welfare League of America
National Adoption Center
National Association of Social Workers
North American Council on Adoptable Children
Evan B. Donaldson Adoption Institute
Stanford
Princeton
Yale
Johns Hopkins University
Tufts University
And the above folks assert many actions are “normal” and “healthy” when the actions are really deviant and pathological.
Would you rather have a hungry/neglected kid in an underpaid orphanage, or a kid living with gay parents who care for and love the child?
I would rather the child not be exposed to distorted and pathological relationships. You present a Hobson’s choice not an authentic choice.
 
And all of this would only apply if your religion is, in fact, true. And since religion is based on faith, and that there is no way to prove it, people should not be force to adhere to your way of life.
The faith is true. The proof you offer only is authentic if one misdefines health and pathology, right and wrong.
 
According to the following associations and institutes, gay parents are no less fit than straight ones:

American Academy of Children and Adolescents
American Academy of Family Physicians
American Academy of Pediatrics
American Bar Association
American Medical Association
American Psychiatric Association
American Psychoanalytic Association
American Psychological Association
Child Welfare League of America
National Adoption Center
National Association of Social Workers
North American Council on Adoptable Children
Evan B. Donaldson Adoption Institute
Stanford
Princeton
Yale
Johns Hopkins University
Tufts University

And they are all wrong!

Would you rather have a hungry/neglected kid in an underpaid orphanage, or a kid living with gay parents who care for and love the child?
**You are giving me a foolish choice! So, are all children in orphanages hungry and/or neglected? And are all orphanages underpaid? **

However, given that choice, or any other, Yes, I would rather the child stay in the orphanage, unless the orphanage was run by “gays”. I firmly believe that children raised by same-sex “parents” will suffer dreadfully and be exposed to great immorality. They would be better off in an orphanage, if they cannot be adopted by proper parents.
 
And since religion is based on faith, and that there is no way to prove it, people should not be force to adhere to your way of life.
Humans base many things in life on faith. Your earlier post reflects faith in psychiatrists and their organizations. You say that some adoptive children must adhere to a way of life that denies them of either a mother or a father, based on the opinion of psychiatrists. We say that children deserve both a mother and a father, and can base this opinion on the natural way in which reproduction occurs–requiring both a male and female. No Catholic sits here saying only Catholics can adopt; we say children should have a mother and father as nature designed. Your “unproven faith” tries to impose itself on the lives of children; not ours.
 
No Catholic sits here saying only Catholics can adopt; we say children should have a mother and father as nature designed.
Would you object to a single man or a single woman adopting?
 
According to the following associations and institutes, gay parents are no less fit than straight ones:

American Academy of Children and Adolescents
American Academy of Family Physicians
American Academy of Pediatrics
American Bar Association
American Medical Association
American Psychiatric Association
American Psychoanalytic Association
American Psychological Association
Child Welfare League of America
National Adoption Center
National Association of Social Workers
North American Council on Adoptable Children
Evan B. Donaldson Adoption Institute
Stanford
Princeton
Yale
Johns Hopkins University
Tufts University

Would you rather have a hungry/neglected kid in an underpaid orphanage, or a kid living with gay parents who care for and love the child?
Hey, Nydas -
Many of these same institutions also believe that abortion is not murder - which goes to show that ANYTHING can be rationalized . . .
 
By permitting gay adoption we are simply distancing ourselves from our Christian roots… turning out backs on the answers that have been given to us pertaining to homosexuality. To say the least it is a mockery to the sanctity of marriage and I cant begin to imagine children being brought up in such a dysfunctional family. Present culture in America is no longer about tradition but about breaking away from it.Yet our Catholic faith is based on tradition and Scripture. We are all fighting a great evil in this world bc everyone is creating their own truths of what should be okay.

This is a hard topic tho especially for college students these days. They are so Liberal and pro-anything. The saddening part is that the majority call themselves Catholic. Its quite surprising and most frustrating to me. Best of luck!!

Peace be with you all,

Regis University Student
 
According to the following associations and institutes, gay parents are no less fit than straight ones:

American Academy of Children and Adolescents
American Academy of Family Physicians
American Academy of Pediatrics
American Bar Association
American Medical Association
American Psychiatric Association
American Psychoanalytic Association
American Psychological Association
Child Welfare League of America
National Adoption Center
National Association of Social Workers
North American Council on Adoptable Children
Evan B. Donaldson Adoption Institute
Stanford
Princeton
Yale
Johns Hopkins University
Tufts University

Would you rather have a hungry/neglected kid in an underpaid orphanage, or a kid living with gay parents who care for and love the child?
I completely agree.
I am currently studying to become a Clinical Child Psychologist.
I have conducted extensive research on gay parenting.
Current research has concluded that homosexual parents are no less fit than Heterosexual parents to take care of children. Furthermore, children that grow up with gay parents grow up healthy and loved, similar to children that grow up with heterosexual parents.
Just recently one of my professor told me a story about Two gay men adopting a child positive with HIV.
These two gay men decided to adopt him even though they knew the child’s condition. They took care of him over a decade and later the child was tested for HIV and the result came out negative. But the government decided to take the child away from the gay couple because they believed it was unhealthy for the child.
 
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