Gay Catholics tell synod to promote chastity – for everyone [CNA]

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CNA.- Same-sex attracted Catholics who have turned away from a homosexual lifestyle are urging participants at the upcoming Synod on the Family to defend the Church’s teaching on chastity for everyone - including for divorced and remarried.
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"I fear that chastity does not have enough of a voice at the Synod," said Rilene Simpson, a member and spokesperson of Courage, an apostolate which offers pastoral support for men and women with same-sex attraction. She told CNA: “We need to have the Church's support."

"We're talking about chastity for everybody. We're talking about chastity for people with same-sex attraction. We’re talking about chastity within the confines of marriage. We're talking about chastity for people who are divorced, and remarried."

"It is a beautiful, beautiful virtue, it's a grace from God, it's a way to become closer to him, and we need to hear more about chastity," she said.

Rilene, whose story is featured in the 2014 Courage-produced documentary Desire for the Everlasting Hills, was one of the main speakers at a conference held Friday in Rome aimed at presenting the Church's pastoral resources for persons with same-sex attraction.

The international gathering, entitled "The Ways of True Love - Pastoral Approaches to Welcome and Accompany those Living with Homosexual Tendencies," was held Friday at the Pontifical Thomas Aquinas University, also known as the Angelicum.

Organized by Courage, Ignatius Press, and the Napa Institute, the gathering was intentionally scheduled to take place as close to the Synod on the Family as possible.

"What I am hoping from the Synod fathers... (is) that they can see the truth and not buy into the lies," said David Prosen, a Catholic therapist at a Franciscan University in Steubenville, who also shared his testimony at the Oct. 2 gathering.

Having himself lived a homosexual lifestyle before embracing the Church's teaching on chastity, David - whose story is featured on the 2014 documentary The Third Way - told CNA he had once been told by a priest it was "okay to be in an intimate relationship with a man as long as you love him."

"This is so harming," he said. "So, what I hope is that the Synod fathers will really look at the truth that we, all of us, all men and women have gifts that God has given us because we are created in his image and likeness and because we are his sons and daughters - not because of who I'm attracted to."

David's presentation at Friday's gathering was entitled “I am not gay...I am David,” and touched on his own struggles with identity during his youth.

"I know for myself, when I was in the culture, that whole sense of identity to me meant belonging," he told CNA.

"I didn't really fit in in high school. Finally I felt like I belonged somewhere but it wasn't giving me what I really needed. I found out years later that the reason is because that's not who I am. I was embracing something that wasn't true."

David explained how in high school he had admired traits in other people that he felt he lacked in himself.

"I was looking at my peers and going "gosh if only I looked like him, if I was athletic like him, or popular then maybe I would fit in,' and there was this shame," he said. "In puberty, that piece became exaggerated and that's when I believed something that really wasn't true."

"I wasn't really affirmed in my gender and that's what I was looking for all along."

David explained he has since learned to establish fulfilling and chaste friendships with other men, largely through the help of the Courage apostolate.

"There is a profound joy and peace in living a chaste life," he said.

Friday's conference comes partly in response to the 2014 Extraordinary Synod on the Family, in which persons with same-sex attraction did not have an adequate voice, according to organizers.

At least two of the Synod fathers will take part in the event: French Guinea's Cardinal Robert Sarah, prefect of the Pontifical Council for Divine Worship, and Australia's Cardinal George Pell, prefect for the Secretariat for the Economy.

In brief remarks given to journalists at the conference, Cardinal Pell stressed that the Church has long offered support to persons with same-sex attraction. "It's happening already...in many places," he said.

"No non-government institution offers more avenues of care of, say, HIV people, in parishes, communities, groups like Courage, Christian families," etc. "We're obliged to. Because we're Christians."

The conference also featured a presentation by Monsignor Livio Melina, president of Rome's John Paul II Institute on Marriage and the Family, who spoke on the Christian anthropological understanding of homosexuality.

Other experts included Dr. Paul McHugh of Johns Hopkins; Dr. Timothy Lock, a clinical psychologist; and Dr. Jennifer Morse of the Ruth Institute.

Friday's conference comes one day ahead of another gathering in Rome entitled Ways of Love, whose organizers support a form of pastoral care which does not necessarily preclude sexually intimate relationships between same-sex couples.

This year's Synod on the Family, to be held on Oct. 4-25, will be the second and larger of two such gatherings to take place in the course of a year. Like its 2014 precursor, the focus of the 2015 Synod of Bishops will be the family, this time with the theme: "The vocation and mission of the family in the Church and the modern world."
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CNA.- Same-sex attracted Catholics who have turned away from a homosexual lifestyle are urging participants at the upcoming Synod on the Family to defend the Church’s teaching on chastity for everyone - including for divorced and remarried.
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"I fear that chastity does not have enough of a voice at the Synod," said Rilene Simpson, a member and spokesperson of Courage, an apostolate which offers pastoral support for men and women with same-sex attraction. She told CNA: “We need to have the Church's support."

"We're talking about chastity for everybody. We're talking about chastity for people with same-sex attraction. We’re talking about chastity within the confines of marriage. We're talking about chastity for people who are divorced, and remarried."

"It is a beautiful, beautiful virtue, it's a grace from God, it's a way to become closer to him, and we need to hear more about chastity," she said.

Rilene, whose story is featured in the 2014 Courage-produced documentary Desire for the Everlasting Hills, was one of the main speakers at a conference held Friday in Rome aimed at presenting the Church's pastoral resources for persons with same-sex attraction.

The international gathering, entitled "The Ways of True Love - Pastoral Approaches to Welcome and Accompany those Living with Homosexual Tendencies," was held Friday at the Pontifical Thomas Aquinas University, also known as the Angelicum.

Organized by Courage, Ignatius Press, and the Napa Institute, the gathering was intentionally scheduled to take place as close to the Synod on the Family as possible.

"What I am hoping from the Synod fathers... (is) that they can see the truth and not buy into the lies," said David Prosen, a Catholic therapist at a Franciscan University in Steubenville, who also shared his testimony at the Oct. 2 gathering.

Having himself lived a homosexual lifestyle before embracing the Church's teaching on chastity, David - whose story is featured on the 2014 documentary The Third Way - told CNA he had once been told by a priest it was "okay to be in an intimate relationship with a man as long as you love him."

"This is so harming," he said. "So, what I hope is that the Synod fathers will really look at the truth that we, all of us, all men and women have gifts that God has given us because we are created in his image and likeness and because we are his sons and daughters - not because of who I'm attracted to."

David's presentation at Friday's gathering was entitled “I am not gay...I am David,” and touched on his own struggles with identity during his youth.

"I know for myself, when I was in the culture, that whole sense of identity to me meant belonging," he told CNA.

"I didn't really fit in in high school. Finally I felt like I belonged somewhere but it wasn't giving me what I really needed. I found out years later that the reason is because that's not who I am. I was embracing something that wasn't true."

David explained how in high school he had admired traits in other people that he felt he lacked in himself.

"I was looking at my peers and going "gosh if only I looked like him, if I was athletic like him, or popular then maybe I would fit in,' and there was this shame," he said. "In puberty, that piece became exaggerated and that's when I believed something that really wasn't true."

"I wasn't really affirmed in my gender and that's what I was looking for all along."

David explained he has since learned to establish fulfilling and chaste friendships with other men, largely through the help of the Courage apostolate.

"There is a profound joy and peace in living a chaste life," he said.

Friday's conference comes partly in response to the 2014 Extraordinary Synod on the Family, in which persons with same-sex attraction did not have an adequate voice, according to organizers.

At least two of the Synod fathers will take part in the event: French Guinea's Cardinal Robert Sarah, prefect of the Pontifical Council for Divine Worship, and Australia's Cardinal George Pell, prefect for the Secretariat for the Economy.

In brief remarks given to journalists at the conference, Cardinal Pell stressed that the Church has long offered support to persons with same-sex attraction. "It's happening already...in many places," he said.

"No non-government institution offers more avenues of care of, say, HIV people, in parishes, communities, groups like Courage, Christian families," etc. "We're obliged to. Because we're Christians."

The conference also featured a presentation by Monsignor Livio Melina, president of Rome's John Paul II Institute on Marriage and the Family, who spoke on the Christian anthropological understanding of homosexuality.

Other experts included Dr. Paul McHugh of Johns Hopkins; Dr. Timothy Lock, a clinical psychologist; and Dr. Jennifer Morse of the Ruth Institute.

Friday's conference comes one day ahead of another gathering in Rome entitled Ways of Love, whose organizers support a form of pastoral care which does not necessarily preclude sexually intimate relationships between same-sex couples.

This year's Synod on the Family, to be held on Oct. 4-25, will be the second and larger of two such gatherings to take place in the course of a year. Like its 2014 precursor, the focus of the 2015 Synod of Bishops will be the family, this time with the theme: "The vocation and mission of the family in the Church and the modern world."
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Truly beautiful!! Chastity is such a gem in the eyes of God and the Holy Church! It truly is and even though it is hard to be chaste 100% of the time as I do struggle with it, it is quite possible! It honors your dignity as a person as well as the living God of the Most High!
 
True love and charity for others is to help them follow the Gospel truth, not to indulge them in the pleasure of flesh. The testimonies of the past homosexuals once again proved it.
 
This seems like such a no brainer. How did something so solidly based on both reason and divine revelation become so counter-cultural? Are humans able to get so messed up on their own, or did it come from demonic intervention?
 
The voices of Catholics with same-sex attraction who want chastity to be promoted definitely needs to be heard.
 
Yes, this is very good to see. This is the real “progressivism” - assuming that means Christianity taking us forward in a meaningful healing way-- terrifying the social status quo beyond belief. 🙂 Modern society is horrified by the concept of chastity due I think primarily to a lack of authentic religious experience - very little understanding of God vs. human experience on its own terms. We often overlook how broken people are in their sexuality and what a huge role it plays in self-definition and self-affirmation in our modern secular world (emotionally, psychologically, socially). Think Freud and beyond. We ask too much of it. This is a mountain not a molehill.
 
They have a very good point.

These groups, like Courage, should be not only recognized at the Synod, but upheld as examples for everyone that is not in a sacramental marriage. I wish we could have a sponsor type program to help Courage members in our parish. Their chosen life of chastity must get lonely at times and they are also under attack by gay rights groups and by many who misjudge them. It would be nice if we could be sponsors to invite them over for dinner or as place to go during the holidays. They need parish wide support. In return, they set a beautiful example for the rest of us.
 
They have a very good point.

These groups, like Courage, should be not only recognized at the Synod, but upheld as examples for everyone that is not in a sacramental marriage. I wish we could have a sponsor type program to help Courage members in our parish. Their chosen life of chastity must get lonely at times and they are also under attack by gay rights groups and by many who misjudge them. It would be nice if we could be sponsors to invite them over for dinner or as place to go during the holidays. They need parish wide support. In return, they set a beautiful example for the rest of us.
Contact your local Archdiocese. There may be other ways to do this.

Ed
 
Chastity is for everyone according to their state in life.

For a single it is to abstain from sex, for the married it is to be faithful to one’s spouse.
 
What the heck does this reporter mean by saying they “turn away” from a “homosexual lifestyle”?

If she means they are chaste, why not just say that?

The “lifestyle” of homosexual people is not so different from the “lifestyle” of heterosexual people…they work, they go to the gym, they meet friends for coffee, they visit their mothers…

A homosexual “lifestyle” doesn’t mean unmarried sex any more than a heterosexual lifestyle does. If that’s what she’s implying.

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In fact, two paragraphs below that, it reads
We’re talking about chastity for everybody. We’re talking about chastity for people with same-sex attraction. We’re talking about chastity within the confines of marriage. We’re talking about chastity for people who are divorced, and remarried.
Further,

To everyone except those reading through gay affirming eyes, “homosexual lifestyle” means having a sexual relationship with a same sex partner, is open to or looking to have such kind of relationship. It does not mean going to the gym, market or seeing movies or having dinner, etc.
 
This afternoon, I happened to see most of a show on EWTN about a gay woman
named Reen. Did anyone else see it?
She was a lady … I’m guessing about 60 yrs old … who has always had
same-sex attraction. She basically told the story of her life —about growing
up and how her parents guided her, coming to grips with being gay,
her sickness with breast cancer, her vocation. Her talk was excellent.

I missed the beginning of the show, but I gathered that Reen is employed
as a guidance counselor in a Catholic school and they showed a little of a talk
she gave the girls…telling them how they should be chaste when they go off
to college and how they should save themselves for their husbands.
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She was such an inspiring woman;  I wish I could post the show here
but I can’t find it on EWTN’s site.
Maybe her talk was part of that Courage program mentioned earlier?
I highly recommend listening to her talk if you should come across the show.

👍
 
Contact your local Archdiocese. There may be other ways to do this.

Ed
Thanks. I don’t know if we have any members in our parish, but I’ll ask our priest. If anyone else feels as I do, you can let your parish know that you be glad to welcome any members that are living in chastity and admire the work of groups like Courage. I do know several people that are living chaste lives, whether simply single and older, or divorced.
 
Chastity is definitely something the Church doesn’t give enough emphasis to - but then again, so many other things are neglected in homilies and our own daily Catholic lifestyles.

Given that I believe the world is generally “oversexed,” I applaud this sort of advocacy for the Synod.
People need to learn that sex is not the be-all and end-all of relationships. They need to understand that LOVING others does not mean sleeping together!*****, and that using others (or themselves) for their own gain really does no favors to anyone in the long term - it may fill a void (or worsen it, with sin), but nothing can fill a void left by the lack of God in our lives.

If a sound affirmation and teaching of Chastity can be publicly taught, then perhaps will have some more armour against those in the secular world. Which, without being judgmental, are those who spread hatred of the Catholic Church’s teachings on sexuality while denying they are in-fact sex-obsessed with their actions**
  • i.e. Outside the context of marriage. If we mean within marriage, that is a whole separate thread!
** Another discussion board I participate on demonstrates my point well in its “Members Only” section
 
This seems like such a no brainer. How did something so solidly based on both reason and divine revelation become so counter-cultural? Are humans able to get so messed up on their own, or did it come from demonic intervention?
Good post.

The ego tends to get the best of us. Humans are fallen and therefore prideful, for the wrong reasons and the wrong type of pride settles within us.
 
More suggested reading for the synod Fathers:

There was a child who had a mother and a father. They had promised to love one another and be true to one another until death alone should part them. They were not feeble minded; they knew what the words of the promise meant. And the boy was happy. . . .
The Invisible Child
 
More suggested reading for the synod Fathers:

There was a child who had a mother and a father. They had promised to love one another and be true to one another until death alone should part them. They were not feeble minded; they knew what the words of the promise meant. And the boy was happy. . . .
The Invisible Child
Jim, what an amazing article, it brought me to tears. The comments are also worth reading. My goodness, so much pain…😦 Thank you for sharing it with us. +PAX 🙂

“Then came the Father of Nuances, whispering to the husband that words were words and not things, and that words were open to interpretation, and that a word uttered with complete confidence in one context need not mean the same thing when the context had changed. And changed it had: for the wife was older now, and the pretty womanish habits that once fascinated the husband were now constant p(name removed by moderator)ricks and pinches. So he began to cast his eye elsewhere, and his heart grew hard.”

‘And in the last days, men will not tolerate sound doctrine but will heap up for themselves teachers, who proclaim what their itching ears long to hear’ 2 Timothy 4:3

:highprayer:
 
Yes, I saw the part below about chastity. That’s why I was puzzled why she didn’t just say that instead of the gobblegoop up top.
You’re just too quick to the draw.
To use the phrase “homosexual lifestyle” to mean what you describe, above, seems very odd and incorrect.
Not odd at all, and we have a disagreement on the correctness of description.
What you describe above can be the same thing a heterosexual person looks for, but with the opposite gender.
I assume people who are not…um, “gay-affirming”?.. don’t call a heterosexual person having a sexual relationship or open to such…as having a “heterosexual lifestyle”?
Or do they, do you know?
Very odd wording
The phrase is not in any dictionary except the Urban Dictionary, which describes the phrase “Gay Lifestyle” to mean:
…a stereoytpe used by social/political conservatives to describe gay men being promiscuous, drinking, bar hopping, using drugs, cross-dressing and orgies.
I assume the writer is not saying that the homosexual Catholics in question have turned away from drugs, orgies, cross-dressing, etc…??
Nobody needed to define “heterosexual lifestyle” until defenders of homosexuality decided to find offense with “homosexual lifestyle.” Based on history and anthropology, homosexuals are not the majority, comprising 5 to 10% of the population, making heterosexual as the default and homosexual not the default. Heterosexuals in their socializing exclude homosexuals (at least those who are outwardly so or who identify as gay or lesbian) as prospective romantic interest and sexual partner. Since you ask, you could consider that is the life or lifestyle of a heterosexual.

Many homosexuals claim they have a “gaydar” and know who to approach of the same sex as a potential love interest / sexual partner. It is evident homosexual lifestyle is necessarily tied to the syllable smacked in the middle of the word, “sex” or sexual activity with one of the same sex.

I do not suggest reliance on the Urban Dictionary, an Internet reference site to check new words being circulated by special groups like the LGBT. Words and phrases favored or disfavored by gays and lesbians, heavily influenced by GLAAD, are legion, expanded even more by words and phrases in use by bisexuals and transgenders.

A gay family member told me he used to say “tranny” as short for transgender, and a transgender friend scolded him to stop using it. Instead, it is PC to say “trans.” Do you see how a demanding non-majority population makes such noise over meanings they tune or change. Consider that the original meaning of gay is nearly lost to anybody under 40 years of age. Since gay is a politicized word, and could mean attracted to the same sex or someone who is an active or practicing homosexual, careful writers use “same sex attracted”, which is clearer in meaning.

I came across a writer who explained that someone living a homosexual lifestyle, at the most basic level, means one who likes, pursues, dates, has sex with, maybe eventually lives with someone of his or her own sex.

The meaning you obtained from Urban Dictionary is something that would come from GLAAD that has a list of words and phrases to use and not use. I do not happen to attribute promiscuity and drug use with the homosexual lifestyle. Heterosexuals are quite capable of living said life. If the association with promiscuity, drug use, orgies, etc., is used as a stereotype by social conservatives for the homosexual lifestyle, you might say the source comes from accounts of those who have left the reported lifestyle, such as this:

americanthinker.com/articles/2012/12/yes_gay_is_a_choice_get_over_it.html
 
People need to learn that sex is not the be-all and end-all of relationships. They need to understand that LOVING others does not mean sleeping together!*****, and that using others (or themselves) for their own gain really does no favors to anyone in the long term - it may fill a void (or worsen it, with sin), but nothing can fill a void left by the lack of God in our lives.
I would further add that not only is sex not the end-all, it’s possible for virgins to lead completely fulfilled lives. People who do so follow in the footsteps of the Word of God made flesh.

I would even go so far as to say that I don’t understand people who don’t understand this.

I’m annoyed that these faith-filled Catholics from groups like Courage get pushed to the side in so much of the current discussion. They need every bit of our support and affirmation. I would think the silencing is part of their cross.
 
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