Gay couple denied apartment

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DaddyGirl said:
Right.
If the renter said “I won’t rent to anyone who is Catholic” or “I won’t rent to anyone who is against same-sex couples or marriage”…that would leave out most of the people on this forum I imagine, and they would most likely be offended by the discriminatory rule and feel it is unfair.

But the renter would be renting by abiding by the morals and ethics she follows, as many here suggest the landlord to do.

So for those who think the landlord is okay to not rent to the gay couple…I do assume you think it would be perfectly fine for a landlord to not rent to you merely on the basis that you are Catholic or because you are against same-sex marriage or couples, yes? Because your sexual ethics goes against her morals?

The agent might see you wearing a crucifix and say, “Oh, no…I’m sorry…but the landlord specifically doesn’t want to rent to Catholics and told me so…she doesn’t agree with your moral belief system…”

But I sense you would be okay with this, yes?
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I would be perfectly okay with someone refusing me service because I’m Catholic, white, male, straight, or for any other reason. I think it is wrong and rather foolish, but they should be allowed to do it.
 
DaddyGirl said:
Sure, I understand all about scandal.
But I’m looking at their income with realistic eyes…and agreeing with another poster that they may find they cannot rent their apartment if they hold up the possible renters to their same moral or ethical views.
I assume they’ve already thought of that…and if they find they cannot rent the apartment, they will come to terms with that reality.
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Hehe, thats what Moses’ people thought while they were in the desert. They went there with nothing, no food, etc and worried about how they would survive, with realistic eyes, i.e. wordly eyes.

Then God provided them with food and water in the desert. He still takes care of people to this day 🙂
 
DaddyGirl said:
I assume Chick Fil A sells and serves food to gay people, gay couples, fornicators, atheists, masturbators, molesters, abusers, adulterers…sinners of all kinds.
I assume they don’t ask their customers if they’ve sinned in the eyes of the Catholic church when they are up at the cash registers, ordering fried chicken?

If they did that, then…they’d go outta business in a day.
No, quicker.
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BlueEyedLady said:
But you do have equal access to those things, you just can’t afford them.
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But not being able to afford them is blocking my equal access. Capisce?
If you don’t see a real difference between someone not being able to afford to shop at Nordstrom and someine being kept out because they are black, Jewish, old, pregnant, etc then I suggest you really put some thought in to how you look at people.
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If you think acts are the same as being black, etc., I suggest you need to change your way of thinking.
“There is a society of men * among us, bred up from their youth in the art of proving, by words multiplied for the purpose, that white is black, and black is white, according as they are paid. To this society all the rest of the people are slaves.” – Jonathan Swift, Gulliver’s Travels, AD 1726*
 
timwatt said:
Gay couple denied apartment
xtra.ca/public/Toronto/Gay_couple_denied_apartment_in_Brampton-12355.aspx

In Ontario, Canada it is a human rights violation to discriminate against someone based on sexual orientation in the areas of:
  1. Employment
  2. Accomodation
  3. Goods
  4. Services & facilities
  5. Membership in vocational associations and trade unions
In this story, the rental agent refuses to allow a gay couple to rent her apartment because they’re gay. One of her arguments is that she has tenants who are Seventh Day Adventists, and they told her they don’t want to have a gay couple living in the building.

As a Catholic, what would you do in this situation? Would you discriminate against the gay couple in the area of accommodation, having full knowledge that doing so is against the law, on the grounds of your religion? Or would you abide by the Human Rights Code as a law-abiding citizen? Filing a human rights complaint is taken very seriously in Ontario, which could result in damages paid to the complainant.

The gay couple have filed a complaint to the Ontario Human Rights Code.
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If you are denying a gay couple yet allowing heterosexual couples who are not married to live together, or those who have been divorced and remarried, then you are a hypocrite. If we are going to discriminate based on one’s morality, we should do so for all sins. We should make sure that the single people are not bringing home dates and having one night stands, we should make sure that the married couple have no previous marriages where the spouse is still alive, etc.
 
DaddyGirl said:
Right.
If the renter said “I won’t rent to anyone who is Catholic” or “I won’t rent to anyone who is against same-sex couples or marriage”…that would leave out most of the people on this forum I imagine, and they would most likely be offended by the discriminatory rule and feel it is unfair.
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That would be fine. Then we would know who to avoid for rentals.
But the renter would be renting by abiding by the morals and ethics she follows, as many here suggest the landlord to do.
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Again fine, but religion is not equal to self defined sexual conduct.
So for those who think the landlord is okay to not rent to the gay couple…I do assume you think it would be perfectly fine for a landlord to not rent to you merely on the basis that you are Catholic or because you are against same-sex marriage or couples, yes? Because your sexual ethics goes against her morals?
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No problem, but again religion is not equal to self identifying by sexual conduct.
The agent might see you wearing a crucifix and say, “Oh, no…I’m sorry…but the landlord specifically doesn’t want to rent to Catholics and told me so…she doesn’t agree with your moral belief system…”
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But I sense you would be okay with this, yes?
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See above
 
DaddyGirl said:
I assume Chick Fil A sells and serves food to gay people, gay couples, fornicators, atheists, masturbators, molesters, abusers, adulterers…sinners of all kinds.
I assume they don’t ask their customers if they’ve sinned in the eyes of the Catholic church when they are up at the cash registers, ordering fried chicken?

If they did that, then…they’d go outta business in a day.
No, quicker.
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They stood up for normal marriage and people flocked to them. Not every person is a moral relativist.
 
DaddyGirl said:
Yes. For one day.

And I LOVE how they don’t mind doing business with and taking money from the same people they are chastising. Love it!

If they really want to be honest and take a stand, they would not allow any fornicators in their restaurants and would not take money from them.
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Do fornicators announce their sexual conduct?
 
Deo_Gratias42 said:
I don’t know about you, but before I rent a place, I look at it first. It’s not unreasonable to assume that the couple went to look at the apartment together and something was either said or occurred that indicated these two were a couple.
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This is entirely true. And - it will depend on what is asked or what is volunteered which determines whether one “knows” or “assumes” that they are a “couple”…Always something we should be careful of…

Of course then too the people should not need to be afraid since they have every right to stand upon the law that protects them in this regard.

Peace
James
 
ConstantineTG said:
If you are denying a gay couple yet allowing heterosexual couples who are not married to live together, or those who have been divorced and remarried, then you are a hypocrite. If we are going to discriminate based on one’s morality, we should do so for all sins. We should make sure that the single people are not bringing home dates and having one night stands, we should make sure that the married couple have no previous marriages where the spouse is still alive, etc.
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That was my point too. There is also this mistaken perception that ONLY homosexuals are “flaunting” their sin. What about ALL those straight couples living together before or instead of marrying? What about all those divorced couples? There are actually greeting cards you can send to people on the occasion of their divorce! How many times do we hear the stories of the single mothers and how we must all feel so sorry for them in their struggles? We even have special programs designed to help support them. What about all those second and third marriages that we are asked to celebrate and be happy about?

The only difference is that there are more of those people than there are gay people so it would not be economically wise to discriminate against them or call them out for their behavior. It also might hit a bit too close to home for some so it’s not as easy to criticize.

Honestly, I have wondered why the legions of divorced and remarried folks in this country weren’t more upset over the whole Chick Fil A thing. Cathy’s comments were directed pretty strongly at them too: “we’re all still married to our first wives”. 🤷
 
fix said:
Do fornicators announce their sexual conduct?
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I do. Not graphically, but I think people get the idea when I say that I live with my fiance/boyfriend.

And sometimes…I even tell children that I live with him.:eek:
 
There are many apartments that won’t rent to anyone who has children.
 
sedonaman said:
But not being able to afford them is blocking my equal access. Capisce?

If you think acts are the same as being black, etc., I suggest you need to change your way of thinking.
“There is a society of men * among us, bred up from their youth in the art of proving, by words multiplied for the purpose, that white is black, and black is white, according as they are paid. To this society all the rest of the people are slaves.” – Jonathan Swift, Gulliver’s Travels*, AD 1726

Then I take it you would be opposed to discriminating against renting to a single gay person since that would be similar to discrimination against a Black, Jew, old person, disabled individual, or pregnant woman based on who they are rather than their actions, even though the landlord doesn’t know whether they are celibate or sexually active?
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