Gay Marriage (A Different Perspective)

[Steven_John]

Dependence on another person does not necessarily mean idolatry, if God is still first and is that that is worshiped it may not be idolatry.

It is unhealthy and not of wisdom to be dependent on anything but God.

If one says God is please about me being homosexual or committing adulatory or made me this way, this is idolatry.

This is defining a god that is not the same as God as depicted in the bible.

 

[goofyjim]

Dependence on another person does not necessarily mean idolatry, if God is still first and is that that is worshiped it may not be idolatry.

It is unhealthy and not of wisdom to be dependent on anything but God.

If one says God is please about me being homosexual or committing adulatory or made me this way, this is idolatry.

This is defining a god that is not the same as God as depicted in the bible.

It is no more idolatry to be homosexual than it is to be heterosexual. There is very little difference. I am what I am and God is not unhappy. I still worship Him and noone else. He has no requirement for me to be heterosexual.

 

[Ronald_E]

I do not know if this verse has been referenced but, I read this verse this morning while I was reading JP II’s Theology of the Body.
Matthew 19: 10-12 "His disciples said to him, ‘If that is the case of a man with his wife, it is better not to marry.’ He answered, ‘Not all can accept this word, but only those to whom that is granted. Some are incapable of marriage because they were born so; some, because they were made so by others; some, because they have renounced marriage for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. Whoever can accept this ought to accept it.’ "
The statement ‘because they were born so’ seems very important.

 

[goofyjim]

I do not know if this verse has been referenced but, I read this verse this morning while I was reading JP II’s Theology of the Body.
Matthew 19: 10-12 "His disciples said to him, ‘If that is the case of a man with his wife, it is better not to marry.’ He answered, ‘Not all can accept this word, but only those to whom that is granted. Some are incapable of marriage because they were born so; some, because they were made so by others; some, because they have renounced marriage for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. Whoever can accept this ought to accept it.’ "
The statement ‘because they were born so’ seems very important.

Bingo. You win the prize. Even Jesus, or God, knows that some of us are born homosexual and incapable of a heterosexual marriage.

 

[fix]

You are absolutly correct. But we are not talking about Catholic marriage, but civil marriage. In the end, I think it is hyocritical to condemn civil SSM while allowing adulters to marry as well. They are both not valid under God and Church, and they are both grave sins, so why allow one and not the other?

Fornication and Adultry are also perversions BTW.

There can be legitimate reasons for “remarriage”. It is abused but that does not make each case morally equal to same sex examples which are always wrong. The point is we should start to clean up the problem and work backward not keep allowing more deviations.

 

[ladybri77]

Dependence on another person does not necessarily mean idolatry, if God is still first and is that that is worshiped it may not be idolatry.

It is unhealthy and not of wisdom to be dependent on anything but God.

If one says God is please about me being homosexual or committing adulatory or made me this way, this is idolatry.

This is defining a god that is not the same as God as depicted in the bible.

Emotional dependence meaning God is not first, the other person is, that is when it is idolatry.

 

[ladybri77]

If you have noticed my posts I never proposed calling it marriage. But I don’t see the acceptance of a homosexual orientation as being idolatry because I am attracted to the individual not worshipping them.

There is no sin in orientation or being attracted to someone else, it’s when you get emotionally over involved, lusting and looking to the person to meet your needs that only God should, then it becomes idolatry.

 

[Texas_Roofer]

You are absolutly correct. But we are not talking about Catholic marriage, but civil marriage. In the end, I think it is hyocritical to condemn civil SSM while allowing adulters to marry as well. They are both not valid under God and Church, and they are both grave sins, so why allow one and not the other?

Fornication and Adultry are also perversions BTW.

Civil marriage laws are designed to comply with Natural Law, which continues to produce children whether the marriage is sacramental, natural or unrecognized. SSA relations do not produce children thus do not need children related issues

 

[goofyjim]

There is no sin in orientation or being attracted to someone else, it’s when you get emotionally over involved, lusting and looking to the person to meet your needs that only God should, then it becomes idolatry.

And the same could be said about heterosexuality. I know far too many men who worship the ground their spouse walks on. That could also be idolatry. You see there is really not that much difference between heterosexuality and homosexuality. Both can fall into the same traps. Both involve a little element of lust yet neither is sinful in and of itself.

 

[ladybri77]

And the same could be said about heterosexuality. I know far too many men who worship the ground their spouse walks on. That could also be idolatry. You see there is really not that much difference between heterosexuality and homosexuality. Both can fall into the same traps. Both involve a little element of lust yet neither is sinful in and of itself.

It’s when lust gets out of control, it’s sin and if you entertain it in your heart. Like I wrote before emotional dependence can happen with both orientations.

 

[ladybri77]

You are absolutly correct. But we are not talking about Catholic marriage, but civil marriage. In the end, I think it is hyocritical to condemn civil SSM while allowing adulters to marry as well. They are both not valid under God and Church, and they are both grave sins, so why allow one and not the other?

Fornication and Adultry are also perversions BTW.

You’re right, they are grave sins, one of the Ten Commandments. We only have control over the proposed gay marriage plan. We can only prevent that from happening right now, but we can’t prevent the other. There’s no way to police if someone has committed adultery before they’re married, people would never be truthful. The only thing we can do is try to stop the immorality at hand which is attempting to be legalized right now.

Fornication and adultery are not perversions (they’re done in the natural way), although homosexuality is. All sin is not a perversion, but it should be as it is against God.

 

[goofyjim]

You’re right, they are grave sins, one of the Ten Commandments. We only have control over the proposed gay marriage plan. We can only prevent that from happening right now, but we can’t prevent the other. There’s no way to police if someone has committed adultery before they’re married, people would never be truthful. The only thing we can do is try to stop the immorality at hand which is attempting to be legalized right now.

Fornication and adultery are not perversions (they’re done in the natural way), although homosexuality is. All sin is not a perversion, but it should be as it is against God.

According to St. Paul they will end up in the same place. Unless we think the fornicators and adulterers ar getting off the hook because of doing something “natural”.

 

[Texas_Roofer]

According to St. Paul they will end up in the same place. Unless we think the fornicators and adulterers ar getting off the hook because of doing something “natural”.

Jim

Adultry and fornication produce children, and that is one of the major lasting affects. Homosexuality is not illegal, and does not produce children. Also if it helps you I do believe some people are born purely SSA. While many are born curious, some are born with a do not care approach, others are born purely hetero. The Church teaches it is our individual responsiblity to control all aspects of the sex life.

 

[ladybri77]

According to St. Paul they will end up in the same place. Unless we think the fornicators and adulterers ar getting off the hook because of doing something “natural”.

I didn’t say they wouldn’t.

 

[ladybri77]

Jim

Adultry and fornication produce children, and that is one of the major lasting affects. Homosexuality is not illegal, and does not produce children. Also if it helps you I do believe some people are born purely SSA. While many are born curious, some are born with a do not care approach, others are born purely hetero. The Church teaches it is our individual responsiblity to control all aspects of the sex life.

It’s never been proven that anyone has been born that way, gay gene, etc. I’m not saying it isn’t a possibility, but it has never been proven.

 

[Texas_Roofer]

It’s never been proven that anyone has been born that way, gay gene, etc. I’m not saying it isn’t a possibility, but it has never been proven.

Well, there are levels of proof. I do not know what doctors think however I can tell you from raising children some children clearly display strong trends. Some very young girls act like boys and vise versa, while others do not. Certainly it is earily to draw conclusions however many accurate predictions can be made at very young ages

 

[goofyjim]

It’s never been proven that anyone has been born that way, gay gene, etc. I’m not saying it isn’t a possibility, but it has never been proven.

Then let me be the first to prove that I was born this way. Of course if you want to continue to stick by those silly causes go right ahead. They have never been proven either. They are just used to persuade someone that they are the reasons. Guess what. They are not. I was born this way and Jesus said so in the gospel of Matthew. If you want to challenge scripture and Our Lord Himself…

 

[ladybri77]

Then let me be the first to prove that I was born this way. Of course if you want to continue to stick by those silly causes go right ahead. They have never been proven either. They are just used to persuade someone that they are the reasons. Guess what. They are not. I was born this way and Jesus said so in the gospel of Matthew. If you want to challenge scripture and Our Lord Himself…

I never said that you are the reason, that you caused it.

Texas Roofer, do you have those links? If not, could you find them for me? So far, I haven’t been able to find any.

 

[ladybri77]

Then let me be the first to prove that I was born this way. Of course if you want to continue to stick by those silly causes go right ahead. They have never been proven either. They are just used to persuade someone that they are the reasons. Guess what. They are not. I was born this way and Jesus said so in the gospel of Matthew. If you want to challenge scripture and Our Lord Himself…

Jim, which scripture are you referring to? I just know the one, “God made them male and female, He made them”. THe one should leave their father and mother and cling to one another, become one flesh.

 

[goofyjim]

I never said that you are the reason, that you caused it.

Texas Roofer, do you have those links? If not, could you find them for me? So far, I haven’t been able to find any.

There are no causes. I WAS BORN THIS WAY. What do you have to fear in that?