Gay Marriage (A Different Perspective)

[ladybri77]

Speaking as a bisexual woman who is also a Christian, I know the debate is not easy. However, consider this: we want marriage with our same-sex partners precisely because we believe in the sanctity of marriage. We want our union recognised by Church and State.
Gay Christians are not so rare as you’d think! Check out gaychristian.net and others if you think I’m isolated. Frankly, I think it’s a far greater sin to give one’s body to the opposite sex in a desperate attempt to deny one’s natural feelings. Sex without love is fornication: With love sex is the highest physical expression of adoration and passion. God gave us sexual passion to express physical love and that should not be cheapened by bedding down with someone we feel only mild affection for (at best) in an attempt to be “straight.”

No one’s asking you to marry the opposite sex if you don’t love them. The definition of fornication is having sex outside of marriage.

Active gay Christian who thinks it’s okay? Oxymoron.

 

[ladybri77]

May I ask you something, SHW? Do you believe the Bible word for word, literally? For example, do you believe that God literally created the world in seven days (that is, seven days by the way we count days?). Do you understand that some phrases in the Bible don’t mean exactly what we in the 21st century might think? For example, the part about the camel passing through the eye of a needle didn’t mean exactly, literally that, but something else which people living during the times of Jesus would have understood right away (I’ve forgotten what – the entrance to a tent, or something like that???)

As far as the Pope goes, I thought he was infallible only when speaking “ex cathedra”.

The Bible is a very mysterious and complicated book and was written over a period of time. You can’t take little snips out that you feel “prove” you, as a Catholic fundamentalist, are “right” and everybody else on earth is “wrong”. Well…you can if you want to, and apparently you do want to!

I see above that you now respect individual “consciences”. From what you said before, it didn’t sound like it – or maybe I’m thinking about somebody else who posts.

And I see you’re back to making declarations as to who will be saved.

I’m trying to understand your point of view, SHW, but each time you post new things pop up which add confusion to confusion.

Respectfully, Alisa

And you shouldn’t take little “snips” out of the Bible and make them something they’re not when it speaks loudly what is right and wrong.

 

[ladybri77]

Thanks! I knew it was something like that. I know there are a lot of other idiomatic examples, and examples of mistranslations over the centuries, etc. For example, I seem to remember that “The Red Sea” actually was a mistranslation of a body of water called “The Reed Sea”. That’s why I believe we have to take the Bible in the proper context. The message and spirit of Jesus shine brilliantly through to this day, but we can’t take it sentence by sentence, word for word without making an effort to understand what He meant to convey to 21st century human beings.

Alisa

Good luck with that!

 

[ladybri77]

Where does Jesus mention homosexuality?

Leviticus, Romans 1, Galatians, etc. Sexual sins, sexual perversions, it’s all in there!

 

[ladybri77]

In short, I’m a Christian Witch. I, and others like me, have adopted various ideologies and concepts and practices from Wicca/Witchcraft that we have determined, through much study and prayer, is not contrary to our Christian beliefs. This includes the use of “magic” fueled, powered, defined, and governed by God the Father. Unlike most pure Wiccans, we do not worship a polytheistic pantheon representation of the different aspects of God. We worship God Himself. I, personally, believe in the Holy Trinity, though I have known one or two other Christian-Wiccans in my time who disagreed on that note (but I’ve known ordinary Christians who do the same, so that probably is not terribly surprising).

Having grown up Protestant, I’m a bit of an iconoclast myself, so I have a bare minimum of ritual compared to most Christian-Wiccans I have known. However, we who are Christian-Wiccan share a lot with the Christian mysticism, using meditation and prayer to be closer to God and acting as conduits for God to perform miracles if He so chooses to grant our requests or if He chooses to command us to be His conduit for something He Himself has planned. It is these miracles that we refer to as “magic” and “spells.”

I take Pauls words as authoritative, but I have yet to see any mention of the Papacy or Catholic Church in any of Paul’s writing.

It is my belief, and the belief of the Protestant Churches I consider myself loosely affiliated with, that all Christians are filled with the Holy Spirit in the same way as the Apostles were, making us all members of Christ’s Church and Priesthood.

No such thing as magic. I will pray for you.

 

[ladybri77]

I am guided by the Holy Spirit of God. The Church is as fallible as I am. The Church is composed entirely of humans, striving to do what is right in God’s eyes, but that does not mean that all they do is right.

True, but they are also guided by the Holy Spirit and the Truth which lines up with the Truth (Holy Spirit) which is in me.

 

[BluntJoey]

It is proven fact that gays raise just as healthy kids as everyone else [The American Psychiatric Association and the National Foster Care System’s studies]. SO there goes that polluted slander as well.
You as Christians need to acknowledge facts, reason, historical realities, science, and then employ COMPASSION.
And if all Christians were led by the Holy Spirit, then I would like to know why there are NUMEROUS sects of Christianity instead of one unified Church. Every time a Protestant [or otherwise] insults Catholics unfairly I am the first to defend you - following CHRIST - as I turn the other cheek from your homophobic hatred.

I forgive you. I know that Jesus doesn’t hate homosexuality - Why didn’t he say so? He, as God, knows he biologically instilled it; why would he otherwise? if he loves everyone EQUALLY, why create a genetic disposition for seven-ten percent of the population so unfairly? SEVEN PERCENT OF THE ANIMAL KINGDOM IS GAY.

 

[StAnastasia]

Show me where it is explicitly stated that homosexuality was going on in Sodom and Gomorrha. Those two scriptures you just quoted do not mention homosexuality.Fornication = Sex, regardless of the genders and species of the partners

PrincessKatrina, I’ve wondered the same thing, as none of my bibles mention homosexuality. They do mention, however, the “godly” Lot’s being perfectly willing to hand over his virgin daughters to be gang-raped by the mob… What a role model for a father!

 

[ladybri77]

It is proven fact that gays raise just as healthy kids as everyone else [The American Psychiatric Association and the National Foster Care System’s studies]. SO there goes that polluted slander as well.
You as Christians need to acknowledge facts, reason, historical realities, science, and then employ COMPASSION.
And if all Christians were led by the Holy Spirit, then I would like to know why there are NUMEROUS sects of Christianity instead of one unified Church. Every time a Protestant [or otherwise] insults Catholics unfairly I am the first to defend you - following CHRIST - as I turn the other cheek from your homophobic hatred.

I forgive you. I know that Jesus doesn’t hate homosexuality - Why didn’t he say so? He, as God, knows he biologically instilled it; why would he otherwise? if he loves everyone EQUALLY, why create a genetic disposition for seven-ten percent of the population so unfairly? SEVEN PERCENT OF THE ANIMAL KINGDOM IS GAY.

HE DID SAY SO IN ALL OF THE ABOVE SCRIPTURES. **GOD DID NOT BIOLOGICALLY INSTILL HOMOSEXUALITY AS FAR AS SCIENTIFIC STUDIES HAVE NOT PROVEN THIS! **

Please go to Narth.com for further studies written about this.

 

[StAnastasia]

Leviticus, Romans 1, Galatians, etc. Sexual sins, sexual perversions, it’s all in there!

It’s curious then, that if Jesus was familiar with the Hebrew scriptures – and he appears to have had a synagogue education – he never once mentioned homosexuality during his earthly ministry.

 

[StAnastasia]

He didn’t say it, Galatians said it, just referring to effeminate men.

It would be interesting to know what Satin Paul considered effeminate. Many transvestites are heterosexual – they just like dressing up as women. If you and Saint Paul have no objection to women wearing pants, can there be an objection to men wearing dresses? What about Scotsmen and kilts?

 

[StAnastasia]

HE DID SAY SO IN ALL OF THE ABOVE SCRIPTURES. GOD DID NOT BIOLOGICALLY INSTILL HOMOSEXUALITY AS FAR AS SCIENTIFIC STUDIES HAVE NOT PROVEN THIS!.

Well, science cannot study God, because God is outside science. But if morality is going to draw from nature, that can cut both ways. If we see variations in sexuality in nature, we can’t legitimately say that “natural = good” and “unnatural = bad.”

 

[ladybri77]

It’s curious then, that if Jesus was familiar with the Hebrew scriptures – and he appears to have had a synagogue education – he never once mentioned homosexuality during his earthly ministry.

Jesus spoke against perversion in the New Testament. Not sure where, but I’ve seen it before.

 

[BluntJoey]

Jesus spoke against perversion in the New Testament. Not sure where, but I’ve seen it before.

And you’re assuming that’s including, eh? How convenient. Read up, please, because homosexuality is NOT consider a deviance, nor are the individuals considered at all more dangerous than others. PROVEN FACT. Wow, homophobic women especially scare me. You’re just not suppose to be prone to it, hahaha.

 

[ladybri77]

Well, science cannot study God, because God is outside science. But if morality is going to draw from nature, that can cut both ways. If we see variations in sexuality in nature, we can’t legitimately say that “natural = good” and “unnatural = bad.”

God was the One who created man who created science. I mean, everything that we have, all our gifts, talents, abilities, intelligence were given to us by God.

 

[BluntJoey]

God was the One who created man who created science. I mean, everything that we have, all our gifts, talents, abilities, intelligence were given to us by God.

Please explain to me why seven percent of the animal kingdom is gay, why that percentage is so consistent, extending to humans. Please. I IMPLORE YOU.

 

[ladybri77]

And you’re assuming that’s including, eh? How convenient. Read up, please, because homosexuality is NOT consider a deviance, nor are the individuals considered at all more dangerous than others. PROVEN FACT. Wow, homophobic women especially scare me. You’re just not suppose to be prone to it, hahaha.

What about what God said about it in the bible? Don’t have to believe me, believe God. Romans 1 specifically.

 

[ladybri77]

It would be interesting to know what Satin Paul considered effeminate. Many transvestites are heterosexual – they just like dressing up as women. If you and Saint Paul have no objection to women wearing pants, can there be an objection to men wearing dresses? What about Scotsmen and kilts?

Not talking about dressing up in women’s clothing, but I think you know what effeminate means.

 

[StAnastasia]

Jesus spoke against perversion in the New Testament. Not sure where, but I’ve seen it before.

I look forward to the reference. One person’s normalcy is another person’s perversion. Personally I regard eating caviar and sushi as perversions, but I would never seek to outlaw the practice. A male friend of mine (a biologist) refused to eat “Rocky Mountain Oysters” (deep-fried bull’s testicles) at a restaurant in Denver, saying he had a moral objection to eating another male’s gonads – that it was a perversion.

StAnastasia

 

[ladybri77]

St. Anastasia, any comments about post #994?