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How it is any more confusing that living in a house hold with divorced and remarried parents? or parents leaving their children in daycare all day?
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So…your are not Catholic, then???
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I never said it was. I’m not really sure about the connection of what you said to what you quoted.
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NoMoreGames
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What makes you say that?
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eichenb2
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Homosexual activity is intrinsically, objectively immoral and disordered (just like adultery, murder, or theft); based Catholic teaching and Natural Law.
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eichenb2
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Can’t pick and choose what you want to believe.
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NoMoreGames
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So better to blindly believe what you are told? I am Catholic, but my brain is wired to question EVERYTHING, and my conclusions don’t make me not Catholic.
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whyallthefuss
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Children brought up by homosexual parents are not confused. In fact they usually end up with a wider, less biased view of the world than most kids. Obviously I cannot speak for everyone but with parents who have been faced with discrimination and homophobia I would hope that it would allow them to be a little more compassionate for other discriminated and stereotyped groups. If you ask me, a child with gay parents could very easily become a better person than most of us.
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eichenb2
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Just as bad. Good call, btw
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I’m not sure how many more times I need to say this, but that is YOUR belief. It may not align with the belief of everyone in this country. (The four things you stated do not fall into the same category, that’s my belief, obviously different than yours (example))
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Then read the books that I suggested. You will see that Natural Law undergirds Catholic Moral Theology and is rational. Unless, this is inclination of yours (similar to my inclination to have sex with every good looking woman I see) is something you don’t want to battle against.
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thanksJust as bad. Good call, btw
As much as i love debating, there really is nothing quite as refreshing as agreeing 
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2357 Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an exclusive or predominant sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex. It has taken a great variety of forms through the centuries and in different cultures. Its psychological genesis remains largely unexplained. Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity,140 tradition has always declared that "homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered."141 They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved.
2358 The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God’s will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord’s Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition.
2359 Homosexual persons are called to chastity. By the virtues of self-mastery that teach them inner freedom, at times by the support of disinterested friendship, by prayer and sacramental grace, they can and should gradually and resolutely approach Christian perfection.
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I’ll look into it, but as a basis, I don’t think it’s something that needs to be battled against, there is a difference. I battle against lust just like everyone else, but not all homosexual relationships are based on lust.
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That doesn’t mention murder of theft. From now on if i accidentally say your opinion, read it as “an opinion”2357 Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an exclusive or predominant sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex. It has taken a great variety of forms through the centuries and in different cultures. Its psychological genesis remains largely unexplained. Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity,140 tradition has always declared that "homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered."141 They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved.
2358 The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God’s will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord’s Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition.
2359 Homosexual persons are called to chastity. By the virtues of self-mastery that teach them inner freedom, at times by the support of disinterested friendship, by prayer and sacramental grace, they can and should gradually and resolutely approach Christian perfection.
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Christian Perfection? I wish I could count how many times I have been told by teachers and preists alike that Jesus was the only perfect person because he was the son of God. He died so that we could be forgiven for out imperfections. We pray and go to confessions for forgiveness for our imperfections. To tell someone to deny themselves as a person in order to be perfect is hypocrisy.
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My dear friend in Christ,To start of, I’m not being sarcastic. That being said, are those who are against gay marriage also against the freedom of religion? I don’t like how the emails this site sends out places it in the same category as things like abortion, and euthanasia. Those two violate human life, which is universal to all humans. Gay marriage, on the other hand, does not take away life nor limit the rights of others. I’m curious as to why people believe that gay marriage should not be allowed in the country when it falls more so under the category of freedom of religion.
You might be interested in knowing that “marriage” is an inaccurate ans inapproiate term to apply to what is only a “civil union.”
A “marriage” is and has always been defined as follows.
Merriam-Webster Dictionary:
“Main Entry: mar·riage
Pronunciation: \ˈmer-ij, ˈma-rij\
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English mariage, from Anglo-French, from marier to marry
Date: 14th century
1 a (1):** the state of being united to a person of the opposite sex as husband or wife in a consensual and contractual relationship recognized by law **(2): the state of being united to a person of the same sex in a relationship like that of a traditional marriage b: the mutual relation of married persons : wedlock c: the institution whereby individuals are joined in a marriage”
My second point is that a “civil union” is not a religious act, it is not a religious sect, and it franky is anti-any-and all Catholic and Christian religions.
Friend, heaven and hell are real. But it’s not God that decides where we are going to spend eterinity, it is our own personal life decissions.
Every civil union that permits two gender equal partners, is a grave moral disorder. And is well into the slippery road of decadence.
Friend, please understand, that I have as a IPRC, a moral obligation to share the truth. I would have much preferred to have this conversation with you in private, but you chose to be on CAF…
CATHOLIC ANSWERS FORUM, God bless you!
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NoMoreGames:
1/ I CAN see why one would need to sever himself from religion in order to “gay marriage”, in that worship of the Law Maker who forbids the act would put the individual at odds with him making his state that much worse. God would expect him to pursue ways to turn himself away from this act, not to confirm his determination not to change.
2/ There is no such thing has gay marriage. Marriage is reserved for mature adults of the opposite sex. There IS a desire to ritualize an evil act in the hopes the ceremony will give it some semblance of Sanction. The Romans, many now who still practice the cult rituals to eternity in a more nasty place, also desired sanction for their acts. This is the manifestation of the devil’s bonus in the deed in that he gets these people to actually identify with the sin. The victim now comes away with the misbelief that he cannot change.
3/Since the birth of Jesus’s religion, all the other religions became redundant. So there is no choice between religions if that is what you mean by freedom of religion.
4/ Abortion,etc and other serious sins are bad examples of other people who are also doing what God doesn’t want them to do, not excuses to find other ways to further offend God.
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1/ I CAN see why one would need to sever himself from religion in order to “gay marriage”, in that worship of the Law Maker who forbids the act would put the individual at odds with him making his state that much worse. God would expect him to pursue ways to turn himself away from this act, not to confirm his determination not to change.
2/ There is no such thing has gay marriage. Marriage is reserved for mature adults of the opposite sex. There IS a desire to ritualize an evil act in the hopes the ceremony will give it some semblance of Sanction. The Romans, many now who still practice the cult rituals to eternity in a more nasty place, also desired sanction for their acts. This is the manifestation of the devil’s bonus in the deed in that he gets these people to actually identify with the sin. The victim now comes away with the misbelief that he cannot change.
3/Since the birth of Jesus’s religion, all the other religions became redundant. So there is no choice between religions if that is what you mean by freedom of religion.
4/ Abortion,etc and other serious sins are bad examples of other people who are also doing what God doesn’t want them to do, not excuses to find other ways to further offend God.
Andy
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I am not sure where to begin with this one.
- How could you conceivably know that kids raised by “gay parents” “end up with a wider, less biased view of the world than most kids”? Do you have statistics? Did you see a documentary? Or…are you making a general statment that you believe supports your views???
- The Church does NOT and have NEVER supported discrimination based on a perception of same-sex attraction. If people in the society at-large do it, then it is wrong and should be prosecuted.
- What is homophobia? How do you define it? If by “homophobia” you mean that I am afraid of homosexual behavior; I would say that objective sin is always a cause for consternation. Natural Law and Church teaching is that it is Objectively Disordered and, I understand, that there is a reason for this. I will not stand by idly as the society, where I am trying to raise children embraces objective evil.
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Did you read the second definition? Also, the first one even says “recognized by law” meaning the definition is based on the law.
And to say that a civil union is anti christian is an opinion. A gay couple could be married and commit themselves to the same god you believe in and believe it is perfectly ok.
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