Gay Marriage and the Social Issues Surrounding It

[stewstew03]

…I guess closed minds do have a certain degree of comfort. I personally have a very open mind…

Certainly you are “closed-minded” on many issues that you feel you no longer need to ponder…?

 

[Acrossthedesert]

It isn’t all about gay marriage This is the current hot button topic for most people of Christian faith, but it’s just one more battle that the gay community have to fight, and fight and fight.

Here’s some figures from Topeka from a while back, and this is just one such city in a world full of such cities, towns and villages.

thetaskforce.org/downloads/reports/reports/TopekaDiscrimination.pdf

Makes it hard to argue there’s no civil rights issues involved here huh

Sarah x

OK. Up through 1965 a group of white men could run a black family out of their house, hang their father on a tree in front of their home, burn the house to the ground, and never be arrested. A black could not vote because his/her grandfather could not vote- because his/her grandfather was a slave. Here we are talking about CORE human rights (inalienable rights). The right to be secure in your home (the right to live), the right to vote (the right to rule), the right to live where you wish (the right to live), the right to get an education (the right to live), the right to work (the right to live). Blacks have been struggling for inalienable rights as human beings.

If you are talking about unalienable rights…I am with YOU! Let’s start another thread and seek out this injustice that you say exists. Let’s forget about this nonsense of gay marriage till we find out more about this terrible injustices you have mentioned. I am skeptical about the truth of this happening, but I always welcome the truth.

IIf people are being hurt, than why aren’t the powers (the powerful gay lobby) speaking about these issues? Yesterday I was going to upload a picture from the 20’s of a woman and her husband (both black) hanging from a tree. They were lynched. I know others over that period were hurt as well, but the overwhelming majority were blacks. The fight for civil rights is for unalienable rights (endowed by the Creator)… assembly, religion, safety…

Without the association with the civil rights movement of the 20th century, the gay movement looses credibility. That’s why gay movement fights so vehemently to maintain this facade."

“If you want to corrupt a countries identity, first corrupt their history.”

 

[Acrossthedesert]

What’s
It is about social acceptance, as was the black civil rights movement. AND justice AND being accepted as the children of God they are. Stop the lies. Jesus is, indeed, the Truth.

OK. Up through 1965 a group of white men could run a black family out of their house, hang their father on a tree in front of their home, burn the house to the ground, and never be arrested. A black could not vote because his/her grandfather could not vote- because his/her grandfather was a slave. Here we are talking about CORE human rights (inalienable rights). The right to be secure in your home (the right to live), the right to vote (the right to rule), the right to live where you wish (the right to live), the right to get an education (the right to live), the right to work (the right to live). Blacks have been struggling for inalienable rights as human beings.

The Civil Rights Movement was NOT about being accepted. It was about being left alone. It’s about being safe in your home,… its about those natural rights endowed by our Creator!

In contrast, the gay movement is about a marriage license. It’s about making other people accept gay choices. Doesn’t that sound infantile?

 

[Acrossthedesert]

Gay marriage is here to stay, so maybe we should start exploring the topic of the thread: the social issues that surround it, because those are what you will have to deal with.

We know we have to deal with sin. It is on our televisions every day. It knocks on our door on the weekends. The way we deal with sin is prayer, the Liturgy, and Sacraments. If we are sinning we use the Sacrament of reconcilation.

 

[CopticChristian]

We know we have to deal with sin. It is on our televisions every day. It knocks on our door on the weekends. The way we deal with sin is prayer, the Liturgy, and Sacraments. If we are sinning we use the Sacrament of reconcilation.

Across,

I agree with you however in the context of sin, you paint sin as a symptom and remedies for the symptom. The underlying cause is a conscience that needs formation and is constantly in need of reform. We can through human effort strengthen our virtues that are the strength we need to use our Reason to follow Faith. This also requires the grace we need to do so. We need to do something besides seek forgiveness.

 

[CopticChristian]

OK. Up through 1965 a group of white men could run a black family out of their house, hang their father on a tree in front of their home, burn the house to the ground, and never be arrested. A black could not vote because his/her grandfather could not vote- because his/her grandfather was a slave. Here we are talking about CORE human rights (inalienable rights). The right to be secure in your home (the right to live), the right to vote (the right to rule), the right to live where you wish (the right to live), the right to get an education (the right to live), the right to work (the right to live). Blacks have been struggling for inalienable rights as human beings.

The Civil Rights Movement was NOT about being accepted. It was about being left alone. It’s about being safe in your home,… its about those natural rights endowed by our Creator!

In contrast, the gay movement is about a marriage license. It’s about making other people accept gay choices. Doesn’t that sound infantile?

Across,

The whole Idea of prejudice and discrimination concerning gay behavior is nonsense. Here is a site about racial prejudice.

allaboutpopularissues.org/racial-prejudice.htm

Racial Prejudice – What Is It?

Racial prejudice is an insidious moral and social disease affecting peoples and populations all over the world. It is diagnosed by the cataloguing of its various symptoms and manifestations which include fear, intolerance, separation, segregation, discrimination, and hatred. While all of these symptoms of racial prejudice may be manifest, the single underlying cause of racial prejudice is ignorance. Historically, a race of people is defined as a population with distinguishable biological features.

While all humans belong to the same species, Homo sapiens, races are distinguished from one another by such characteristics as hair color and texture, skin color, eye color and shape, size of limb and body parts, and facial organs.

Please note that Behavior is not listed. The world does not show a history that would designate gay behavior as a civil rights issue. Take a look at some of the movies we have that show us what racial prejudice is.

Gone with the Wind
Soung of the South
The Color Purple
Roots, Kunta Kinte

you look up all the movies related to racial prejudice…and see that racial prejudice is a social issue.

I will accept gay behavior as a civil right isssue when I see a documentary like roots…

On a far distant island, this man was taken from his gay parents, two men…enslaved…he missed his fathers…and since he was gay never reproduced. He and his fellow gay men were put to work on plantations and his name was Kould be Gay…he was a prince among men but treated like a heathen. Since he was gay and his fellow slaves were gay…the entire plantation was filled with men tilling the soil…later in time they disappeared because they were gay and never reproduced.

get real with the idea that this is a civil rights issue…

 

[Acrossthedesert]

Across,

I agree with you however in the context of sin, you paint sin as a symptom and remedies for the symptom. The underlying cause is a conscience that needs formation and is constantly in need of reform. We can through human effort strengthen our virtues that are the strength we need to use our Reason to follow Faith. This also requires the grace we need to do so. We need to do something besides seek forgiveness.

CopticChristia,

Are you saying this?..

His divine power has bestowed on us everything that makes for life and devotion, through the knowledge of him who called us by his own glory and power. Through these, he has bestowed on us the precious and very great promises,** so that through them you may come to share in the divinenature**, after escaping from the corruption that is in the world because of evil desire. For this very reason, make every effort to supplement your faith with virtue, virtue with knowledge,knowledge with self-control, self-control with endurance, endurance with devotion, devotion with mutual affection, mutual affection with love.
-2 Peter 1:4-7

Because our virtue alone (our will) nor faith alone does not save us. It’s our participation and faith in the Pascal Sacrifice that brings us grace. We are saved by God’s grace.

The Liturgy is the source and the summit of the whole Christian life.
-Vatican II

Reconciliation we seek to heal the bonds which have been severed by sin. The idea is that we want to share in the life of God.

We are not hear to solve the problem of sin. We’re here to proclaim the Gospel of Jesus Christ… that he died and rose again so that we may fully live. Stay close to the Mystical Body of Christ, the Church!

ONE QUESTION: Does God need us?

 

[Acrossthedesert]

Across,

The whole Idea of prejudice and discrimination concerning gay behavior is nonsense.

I agree.

 

[atheistgirl]

Certainly you are “closed-minded” on many issues that you feel you no longer need to ponder…?

What issues am I no longer pondering Stew

Sarah x

 

[atheistgirl]

Sarah,

I am glad you get it. ** I choose not to be homosexual**.

So, you are sexually attracted to men, and you are aware of this fact, but you ‘‘chose’’ not to act on those sexual inclinations?

Interesting.

Sarah x

 

[markeverett49]

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about social acceptance, as was the black civil rights movement. AND justice AND being accepted as the children of God they are. Stop the lies. Jesus is, indeed, the Truth.

No one disputes that homosexuals are children of god… As for the difference between the movement for same-sex marriage and the civil rights movement, you can ask the many veterans of the former who are outraged at the comparison to the former. It’s not like they’ve gone into hiding or said nothing about this.

It is no lie to say that same-sex couples are incapable of coitus, cannot generate offspring. It is no lie to say that sex is relevant to marriage and families. It is no lie to say that gay people (and their supporters) who think that the sexual / emotional union of two people of the same sex is equivalent to the union of two people of the opposite sex are mistaken.

 

[CopticChristian]

CopticChristia,

Are you saying this?..

Because our virtue alone (our will) nor faith alone does not save us. It’s our participation and faith in the Pascal Sacrifice that brings us grace. We are saved by God’s grace.

Reconciliation we seek to heal the bonds which have been severed by sin. The idea is that we want to share in the life of God.

We are not hear to solve the problem of sin. We’re here to proclaim the Gospel of Jesus Christ… that he died and rose again so that we may fully live. Stay close to the Mystical Body of Christ, the Church!

ONE QUESTION: Does God need us?

Across,

I am saved, being saved, hope to be saved…to be saved is Protestant.

Let’s get on the same page…in your salvation process you sin and when you sin…the gospel is that you are a child of God, participating in the family of God, by grace, through Faith working in Love, so that you paricipate in the divine Sonship by virtue of the sacrifice of the one Son…We are called children of God and so we are…

This is in contrast to the Protestant Gospel of some that declare

We are declared righteous, not truly righteous, but seen as righteous by the glory of the Son…

Ok…

 

[CopticChristian]

So, you are sexually attracted to men, and you are aware of this fact, but you ‘‘chose’’ not to act on those sexual inclinations?

Interesting.

Sarah x

Sarah,

Well of course I am attracted to men. I was attracted to my Father, other men that were my guides. I lived next door to a man that taught me to swim, fish, and that was about all and he was attractive. I was in the boy scouts and I was attracted to my male friends. I was in a Fraternity and I was attracted to this group of men. I am attracted to my Priest. He has long hair, looks like Jesus, likes Jerry Garcia, the grateful dead and is Vegan. I find humanity attractive however when it comes to the notion of choosing to see this attraction as sexual…well then that is not something I choose and I am comforted that in humanity there is attraction to humanity.

 

[atheistgirl]

As for the difference between the movement for same-sex marriage and the civil rights movement, you can ask the many veterans of the former who are outraged at the comparison to the former. It’s not like they’ve gone into hiding or said nothing about this.

So what? Black people who are gay are fighting for the rights of gay people, within the black community, which they themselves indentify as being one of the most homophobic there is.

blacklightonline.com/phobia.html

Complicating the issue is the domination of minority politics by blacks and Latinos, who can be less than friendly to gay issues.

In the vote on Proposition 8 in California, which repealed gay marriage, about 70 percent of blacks favored the ban, according to an exit poll; Latinos’ close vote may have favored it, though the poll’s small sample left some uncertainty. In Florida, 71 percent of blacks and 64 percent of Latinos favored a similar ban.

Opposition to gay rights often has a religious basis, and blacks and Latinos are more churchgoing than society at large. Twenty-six percent of blacks attend religious services more than once a week, compared with 16 percent of Latinos and 14 percent of whites, according to a 2007 survey by the Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life.

Read more: Is gay movement like black struggle? - Washington Times washingtontimes.com/news/2008/dec/02/is-gay-movement-like-black-struggle/#ixzz26C9T4aQ1
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It is no lie to say that gay people (and their supporters) who think that the sexual / emotional union of two people of the same sex is equivalent to the union of two people of the opposite sex are mistaken.

I can only speak for myself, but I’m not mistaken

You may believe I am - I know I’m not

Sarah x

 

[RobbyS]

The bisexuals I’ve known like women’s anatomy and men’s. And not things they have in common. Bisexuals come in both genders.

I don’t know what gayness as a cultural phenomenon means. I’ve just been using the word to mean “the trait of being attracted to the same gender.” I just thought it was simpler for posting.

I also am not sure about finding bisexuality in the historical record being easier. Or why we’d go look in historical records.

So, could you expand a bit?

I mean it is easier to count bisexuals because they are people who “go birthways” and often have wives/husbands and children.

As a cultural phenonenon, I might have said a sociological thing. Jung speculated that it is an urban phenomenon, because in cities, sexual roles tend to get confused, because so many different mores exist together.

 

[Patavium]

Do homosexuals have a stronger claim to being “born this way” in comparison to let’s say pedophiles?

 

[Bradski]

The world does not show a history that would designate gay behavior as a civil rights issue.

I’m white. I didn’t have a choice about that. I’m heterosexual. I didn’t have a choice about that either. You can fill in the rest yourself.

Do homosexuals have a stronger claim to being “born this way” in comparison to let’s say pedophiles?

Let’s change that a little and see how rediculous it sounds:

Do heteroexuals have a stronger claim to being “born this way” in comparison to let’s say pedophiles?

Do you?

I find humanity attractive however when it comes to the notion of choosing to see this attraction as sexual…well then that is not something I choose and I am comforted that in humanity there is attraction to humanity.

So you’re saying you actively made a choice about your heterosexuality? Because you just said you chose not to be gay:

…that is not something I choose…

 

[CopticChristian]

]I’m white. I didn’t have a choice about that. I’m heterosexual. I didn’t have a choice about that either. You can fill in the rest yourself.

**Let’s change that a little and see how rediculous it sounds:

Do heteroexuals have a stronger claim to being “born this way” in comparison to let’s say pedophiles?

Do you?/**QUOTE]

Brad,

This is odd…the part in bold red does not show up in your original post and here it is…??? Oh…an edit…

Concerning filling in the rest…

You are white. This is not behavior
You are heterosexual. This may be behavior

You had no choice about your color and your behavior. I disagree. You have a choice about your behavior.

Concerning being born heterosexual. All people are born heterosexual in my opinion and I believe deviance is a choice. So there you go.

 

[Patavium]

Bradski,

Are you saying that everyone is born in this world with their sexual orientation?

Thus, pedophiles have a strong claim like homosexuals, too?

Or are you saying that sexual behavior is a choice?

The problem is that some Pedophiles claim they were born this way. So what do we do? Homosexuals claim they were born this way too?. Is everyone being born in their sexual deviant (i.e. deviates from the heterosexuality) behavior?

 

[atheistgirl]

Well of course I am attracted to men.

That’s not what I said and I’m sure you’re aware of that. You said you choose not to be a homosexual. I am refering to homosexual attraction, and you’re well aware of that.

I find humanity attractive however when it comes to the notion of choosing to see this attraction as sexual…well then that is not something I choose and I am comforted that in humanity there is attraction to humanity.

I find women deeply and sublimely attractive and beautiful and my deepest relationships other than with my husband, children and family, has always been with women. On the whole, with some exceptions, I find women much more attractive than men, on every level.

Except physically.

I don’t find women sexually attractive, so I can’t choose to find them sexually attractive and have a lesbian relationship with one.

Unlike you.

Who can choose to find men sexually attractive and have a homosexual relationship with one.

Sarah x