Gay Marriage Coming After the Church

[MidnightSun12]

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This is not about worldly fairness of distorted values. It is about the salvation of souls. When reading these conversations I always keep that fact in the forefront of discernment.

 

[gam197]

originally** posted by rossum**
I will use religious discrimination as an example. It is illegal to discriminate against people on the grounds of religion. That means a Christian shopkeeper cannot refuse to serve Jews just because they are Jews, and a Jewish shopkeeper cannot refuse to serve Christians just because they are Christians.

That was one of the main arguments in the Wildflower Inn,Vermont case----a catholic could not turn down a protestant.

That is what is happening here. If you are running a business that serves the public, such as running a B&B or hiring a hall, then you cannot legally discriminate.

Correct. The Knights of Columbus or any church hall or property is not a church. It may be near it or even in church but it it not the church.

Wthere a case last year of a small Protestant church that refused to marry a black couplasn’t e on the grounds of race? That was legal because of the religious exemption from discrimination legislation.

It was the First Baptist Church of Crystal Springs but remember immediately they apologized. Their church put out a statement that the regular church congregation knew knowing of this pastors’ comments. They made a statement that everyone was welcomed at their church. This would not happen again. It was not an issue of this church refusing to marry but of one bad pastor. I am pretty certain they chose not to sue.

 

[gam197]

Remember when Ted Haggard said that gay marriage should be allowed in our churches after he lost his position as head of the evangelical church in Colorado coming out as Bi and using drugs.

Many pastors feel the same way and they will perform these ceremonies.
From another thread but still two important cases

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Re: Cake Baker Refuses Gay Couple Wedding Cake

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Consequences of gay marriage and civil unions is the religious freedom inihibtation which then occurs

1. Christian Elaine Huguenin was sent an email by Vanesa Wilcock about photographing their commitment ceremony. Elain Hugunenin sent a message back
   ‘We do not photograph same-sex weddings,’ Huguenin wrote. ‘But again, thanks for checking out our site! Have a great day’
   Elain Huguenin was found guilty of discrimination by the New Mexico Court of Appeals and ordered to pay $6000 for the oppsitions attorney. Gay marriage is not even legal in New Mexico
2. When the Massachusetts Supreme Court redefined marriage in 2004 that was used to force exposure of homosexual behavior to elementary students.

Parents in Lexington, Massachusetts 2006 filed a lawsuit because their second-grader was a read a book about two princes who fall in love called The King and King. That lawsuit was dismissed by a federal judge. Federal appeals court affirmed that saying
‘It is a fair inference that the reading of King and King was precisely intended to influence the listening children toward tolerance of gay marriage’
There was no opt out from the class. The son of the father who filed the lawsuit was later beaten in school and the father speculated it had to do with the lawsuit
3. Albert Einstein College of Medicine at Yeshiva University in New York refused to allow gay couples to live in married studenthousing, which is in line with Jewish Orthodox beliefs. In 2001 the New York Supreme Court forced the university to allow gay couples to live in married student housing even though gay ‘marriage’ was not legal at the time
4.** 2 women decided to hold their civil union at a New Jersey pavilion owned by Ocean Grove Camp Meeting Association which is a Methodist group. This group told the two women they could not ‘marry’ any building that use for religious purposes. The two women filed a discrimination complaint with the New Jersey Division of Civil Rights. The Methodists said the First amendment protected their right to practise their religion without punishment from government. But when it went to court the Methodists tax exemption was revoked. Judge ruled the Church could not discriminate between homosexual and heterosexual couples who want to use pavilion for a wedding because it was viewed as a public place **
5. Catholic Charities of Massachusetts stopped adoption in 2006 because they refused to place children with homosexual couples. Catholic Charities of Illinois did the same and lost mollions in state funding
6. Julea Ward, a graudate student declined to promote homosexual relationships with a gay client she was having a discussion with in a counselling program and Julea Ward was kicked out
7. Timber Creek Bed and Breakfast owners, Jim and Beth Walder, in Illinois, because of their relgiious beliefs declined to a host a gay civil union. I read they are awaiting a hearing on discrimination allegation and if they lose could pay a fine
8. Pentecostal Christian, Victoria Childress, a wedding cake maker in Des Moines told a lesbian couple she would not make a wedding cake for them as she believes marriage is defined as between 1 woman and 1 man. Soon the lesbian couple went on a TV station saying they were considering a lawsuit against Childress and that they feld discriminated against. They chose not to lawunch a lawsuit but she has recieved emails and leter calling her a bigot and boycotts of her business

There are 2 other cases-one in Hawaii, one in illinois at B & B.
The case in Purdue with the bakery family refusing to bake cupcakes for “coming out day” at university. The Mayor, yes mayor came out publicly against them called them essentailly “haters” The local radio station did a “gay cupcakes day” to humiliate this family.

 

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