"Gay 'marriage' doesnt hurt society"

[Farien]

It is hilarious to see how you people choose to wear blinders when it comes to children and their curiouslity. I have never met a child under the age of six, who did not ask the parents and their friends: “How are children born?”. Parents have their standard answers about storks and cabbage pacthes, and sometimes about how mummy and daddy wanted you so much, that God planted a little seed in mummy’s belly… and so on… children are MOST curious about their “origin”. When they talk about it among themselves they exchange what they heard.

So wake up. Those sweet, little, innocent children WILL get their information eventually, because they WANT it. They cannot be “protected”. Better to give biologically correct answers - maybe watered down to their understanding. If you try to be secretive about it, you just whet their appetite. Children who grow up on farms and see the process of procreation is vivid details are not traumatized by it. They understand that it is a natural part of life.

Now, it is true, that with the advancement of same sex relationships, children will see that some of their friends have two daddies, or two mummies… and that turns YOUR stomach, but the children do not care. If you do not make a fuss about it, they will stop to think about it, they will accept it as natural - which it is. That is what you cannot “stomach”. Well, it is your problem, and do not ry to hide behind the “poor innocent children’s back”. Yes, society is changing. It is always changing, and it will be changing no matter how hard you would like to fossilize it. Get over it.

 

[PeaceInChrist]

Civil partnerships and gay marriage harm society because of the religious liberty concerns that have been brought up already and gay marriage is legal in more than a handful of states. Here are examples and there are more than on this list and these were before gay marriage was legalised in ME, WA and MY

• Gay marriage law in MY has 70 word on religious exemption but Discover Annapolis Tours owner Matt Grubbs was told by ahis attorney to close down the wedding part of the business because he could be sued for refusing services for gay marriage which could cost him $50000 annually so he is asking the AG in ME to give businesses like him the right to refuse on religious grounds services for gay marriage
• Catholic Charities of Massachusetts stopped adoption in 2006 because they refused to place children with homosexual couples. Catholic Charities of Illinois did the same and lost mollions in state funding
• Julea Ward, a graudate student declined to promote homosexual relationships with a gay client she was having a discussion with in a counselling program and Julea Ward was kicked out
• Timber Creek Bed and Breakfast owners, Jim and Beth Walder, in Illinois, because of their relgiious beliefs declined to a host a gay civil union. I read they are awaiting a hearing on discrimination allegation and if they lose could pay a fine
• Pentecostal Christian, Victoria Childress, a wedding cake maker in Des Moines told a lesbian couple she would not make a wedding cake for them as she believes marriage is defined as between 1 woman and 1 man. Soon the lesbian couple went on a TV station saying they were considering a lawsuit against Childress and that they feld discriminated against. They chose not to lawunch a lawsuit but she has recieved emails and leter calling her a bigot and boycotts of her business
• Christian Elaine Huguenin was sent an email by Vanesa Wilcock about photographing their commitment ceremony. Elain Hugunenin sent a message back

Elain Huguenin was found guilty of discrimination by the New Mexico Court of Appeals and ordered to pay $6000 for the oppsitions attorney. Gay marriage is not even legal in New Mexico

• When the Massachusetts Supreme Court redefined marriage in 2004 that was used to force exposure of homosexual behavior to elementary students.

Parents in Lexington, Massachusetts 2006 filed a lawsuit because their second-grader was a read a book about two princes who fall in love called The King and King. That lawsuit was dismissed by a federal judge. Federal appeals court affirmed that saying

There was no opt out from the class. The son of the father who filed the lawsuit was later beaten in school and the father speculated it had to do with the lawsuit

• Albert Einstein College of Medicine at Yeshiva University in New York refused to allow gay couples to live in married student housing, which is in line with Jewish Orthodox beliefs. In 2001 the New York Supreme Court forced the university to allow gay couples to live in married student housing even though gay ‘marriage’ was not legal at the time
• 2 women decided to hold their civil union at a New Jersey pavilion owned by Ocean Grove Camp Meeting Association which is a Methodist group. This group told the two women they could not ‘marry’ any building that use for religious purposes. The two women filed a discrimination complaint with the New Jersey Division of Civil Rights. The Methodists said the First amendment protected their right to practise their religion without punishment from government. But when it went to court the Methodists tax exemption was revoked. Judge ruled the Church could not discriminate between homosexual and heterosexual couples who want to use pavilion for a wedding because it was viewed as a public place

Does nobody else find this terribly disconcerting? What do gay-rights advocates say to these legal impositions of ‘tolerance’?

 

[PeaceInChrist]

It is hilarious to see how you people choose to wear blinders when it comes to children and their curiouslity. I have never met a child under the age of six, who did not ask the parents and their friends: “How are children born?”. Parents have their standard answers about storks and cabbage pacthes, and sometimes about how mummy and daddy wanted you so much, that God planted a little seed in mummy’s belly… and so on… children are MOST curious about their “origin”. When they talk about it among themselves they exchange what they heard.

So wake up. Those sweet, little, innocent children WILL get their information eventually, because they WANT it. They cannot be “protected”. Better to give biologically correct answers - maybe watered down to their understanding. If you try to be secretive about it, you just whet their appetite. Children who grow up on farms and see the process of procreation is vivid details are not traumatized by it. They understand that it is a natural part of life.

Now, it is true, that with the advancement of same sex relationships, children will see that some of their friends have two daddies, or two mummies… and that turns YOUR stomach, but the children do not care. If you do not make a fuss about it, they will stop to think about it, they will accept it as natural - which it is. That is what you cannot “stomach”. Well, it is your problem, and do not ry to hide behind the “poor innocent children’s back”. Yes, society is changing. It is always changing, and it will be changing no matter how hard you would like to fossilize it. Get over it.

Silly atheist, don’t you know who you are fighting against? The Catholic Church has seen dark days before. You won’t win, my friend. Not in the long-run.

 

[Farien]

Silly atheist, don’t you know who you are fighting against? The Catholic Church has seen dark days before. You won’t win, my friend. Not in the long-run.

I don’t “fight”, and I don’t care about “winning” - merely pointing out a few facts. Just look at the trends, look at the declining numbers of “true” catholics, forget about the heretical cafeteria catholics, and make your own extrapolation. Of course you can keep your faith in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary (what else is faith after all? see Hebrews 11:1).

 

[LisaA]

It is hilarious to see how you people choose to wear blinders when it comes to children and their curiouslity. I have never met a child under the age of six, who did not ask the parents and their friends: “How are children born?”. Parents have their standard answers about storks and cabbage pacthes, and sometimes about how mummy and daddy wanted you so much, that God planted a little seed in mummy’s belly… and so on… children are MOST curious about their “origin”. When they talk about it among themselves they exchange what they heard.

So wake up. Those sweet, little, innocent children WILL get their information eventually, because they WANT it. They cannot be “protected”. Better to give biologically correct answers - maybe watered down to their understanding. If you try to be secretive about it, you just whet their appetite. Children who grow up on farms and see the process of procreation is vivid details are not traumatized by it. They understand that it is a natural part of life.

Now, it is true, that with the advancement of same sex relationships, children will see that some of their friends have two daddies, or two mummies… and that turns YOUR stomach, but the children do not care. If you do not make a fuss about it, they will stop to think about it, they will accept it as natural - which it is. That is what you cannot “stomach”. Well, it is your problem, and do not ry to hide behind the “poor innocent children’s back”. Yes, society is changing. It is always changing, and it will be changing no matter how hard you would like to fossilize it. Get over it.

Since you have nothing to support the theory that it’s appropriate to tell elementary school children about homosexuality, ironically you claim high ground by indicating children are interested in how they were created…imagine that? Regardless of whether Heather has two mommies, the reality is that two mommies cannot create Heather. Thus there is ALWAYS a mommy and a daddy involved.

Yes of course children wonder where they came from and for thousands of years parents have told children various stories with details appropriate to their age and ability to understand. Children given these simple stories do not continue to press about sexual techniques or about how Heather’s two mommies “do it.”

Children are also very accepting and don’t pay that much attention to adult sexuality. If Heather is picked up at school by Suzy and Sally or Bill and Fred, kids pay very little attention to the details. Sadly given the levels of divorce and unwed motherhood, children are very used to their friends being picked up by a parent, a grandparent, a boyfriend/girlfriend of one or the other parent. Their curiosity does not extend to the biological details at such young ages.

And yes children will eventually learn about sexual relationships, hopefully from their parents at a time and in a setting that is appopriate for that child. Six year olds do not need to have their teachers explain that Heather’s two mommies enjoy oral sex or toys…and please don’t tell me this ISN"T being done or that the homosexual agenda supporters are not pushing such curricula even in elementary school.

Lisa

 

[Regular_Atheist]

Trust me Regular Atheist, our country may be more religious than European countries but school is a place where religion is NOT ALLOWED anymore.

Amazingly enough I survived in an era where we quoted from the Bible during the Christmas pageant, sang hymns in music class, and learned about Easter in school. Now instead of learning about Christianity or Judaism we get the religion of Leftism from early ages on. THAT is acceptable, Judeo-Christian values and teachings are not.

Lisa

Yeah, that’s quite weird. My primary school was pretty religious so they made us sing hymns and what not. The same thing happened in my secondary school, in fact, though it was secular. When we got a new headteacher we stopped doing hymns (he was an atheist) but he still held Christmas services for the school, which were very religious, as were the Remembrance Day services. Do schools not do any of that stuff in the USA? No hymns? No religious Christmas or Easter services?

 

[Sarcelle]

You can add that gay marriage is being encouraged as a better option than heterosexual marriage. Lately, there have been probably four studies (highly biased by the way) who have been giving high publicity indicating that lesbians are better parents than heterosexual parents, I have seen several publications indicating that gay relationships are most stable and better than homosexual relationships and the gay movement constantly points at the 50% (which is a myth) divorce rate of heterosexual vs. the long term lesbian relationship. If someone doesn’t see this as an agenda to push homosexuality on people, they are blinding themselves. I, also, found extremely funny that the same liberal people who are now pushing for gay marriage are the same who for many years were pushing the philosophy “marriage is just a contract” “you don’t need to be married to have real love” and the whole philosophy that co-habitation is better than marriage. How come that for heterosexuals marriage is not needed and now all of a sudden gays need to be married?

Actually gay marriage falls naturally out of the “marriage is just a contract” mindset. If people can have the right to get out of the contract, they also have the right to get into it. This includes all people, gay or straight. After marriage is just a contract right, no matter who the participants are?

 

[LisaA]

Yeah, that’s quite weird. My primary school was pretty religious so they made us sing hymns and what not. The same thing happened in my secondary school, in fact, though it was secular. When we got a new headteacher we stopped doing hymns (he was an atheist) but he still held Christmas services for the school, which were very religious, as were the Remembrance Day services. Do schools not do any of that stuff in the USA? No hymns? No religious Christmas or Easter services?

Nope, no more. In fact a recent case prohibited children from a production of “Charlie Brown Christmas” which was not done on school grounds and children had the option of not attending. The reason? Because the Bible is quoted during the production. “Christmas” break is now winter break. Further this has gone to the point of ridiculousness with some schools banning use of red and green themes, candy canes, Christmas (or as now termed Holiday) trees, or giving each other Christmas cards or gifts. Easter is now “Spring” break and the days of kids singing hymns is long gone. Valdictorians are prohibited from mentioning their faith, the word God or Jesus, football players are not allowed to pray before the game.

This is all thanks to organizations such as the ACLU, Separation of Church and State, and other militant atheist organizations. They’ve also removed tiny crosses from city and state seals or flags, demanded the removal of crosses on PRIVATE property and other such IMO ridiculous demands. Sadly to some extent the courts have created this monster and now that he’s out of the cage roaming like a roaring lion, are deluged with case after case after case.

Suffice to say while homosexual practices, graphic sexual discussions and films and abortion giant Planned Parenthood are welcomed in schools, God has been given the boot.

Lisa

 

[Regular_Atheist]

Nope, no more. In fact a recent case prohibited children from a production of “Charlie Brown Christmas” which was not done on school grounds and children had the option of not attending. The reason? Because the Bible is quoted during the production. “Christmas” break is now winter break. Further this has gone to the point of ridiculousness with some schools banning use of red and green themes, candy canes, Christmas (or as now termed Holiday) trees, or giving each other Christmas cards or gifts. Easter is now “Spring” break and the days of kids singing hymns is long gone. Valdictorians are prohibited from mentioning their faith, the word God or Jesus, football players are not allowed to pray before the game.

This is all thanks to organizations such as the ACLU, Separation of Church and State, and other militant atheist organizations. They’ve also removed tiny crosses from city and state seals or flags, demanded the removal of crosses on PRIVATE property and other such IMO ridiculous demands. Sadly to some extent the courts have created this monster and now that he’s out of the cage roaming like a roaring lion, are deluged with case after case after case.

Yeah, that’s quite a bit too far. While I’d say it’s fair enough to stop schools from forcing any religion upon children, it sounds like it’s gone the other way. Irreligion is being forced on children. You’re the first person that’s ever described it like this. A lot of that stuff is new to me.

Suffice to say while homosexual practices, graphic sexual discussions and films and abortion giant Planned Parenthood are welcomed in schools, God has been given the boot.

Homosexuality is mentioned in our secondary schools, though I’ve only seen it covered in regard to STDs and relationships. It was sort of just slipped in a bit. I don’t think it’s covered in entire lessons. At least, not on any curriculum. I’ve only seen abortion discussed in RE, regarding views on morals and ethics. If schools really are bad as you’re saying, then I can understand your frustration with secular groups. Generally when people have said stuff like this I’ve used the UK education as an example of education standards, and what is taught, which of course is completely stupid.

 

[LisaA]

Yeah, that’s quite a bit too far. While I’d say it’s fair enough to stop schools from forcing any religion upon children, it sounds like it’s gone the other way. Irreligion is being forced on children. You’re the first person that’s ever described it like this. A lot of that stuff is new to me.

Homosexuality is mentioned in our secondary schools, though I’ve only seen it covered in regard to STDs and relationships. It was sort of just slipped in a bit. I don’t think it’s covered in entire lessons. At least, not on any curriculum. I’ve only seen abortion discussed in RE, regarding views on morals and ethics. If schools really are bad as you’re saying, then I can understand your frustration with secular groups. Generally when people have said stuff like this I’ve used the UK education as an example of education standards, and what is taught, which of course is completely stupid.

I’m not exaggerating believe me and I am sure other posters will weigh in. The “war on Christmas” is a traditional theme in newsbroadcasts. As you said, forcing irreligion on school children and the public.

Topics on sexuality, particularly with respect to information on the ramifications of sexual activity, make sense in health or biology classes if taught in a dispassionate and agenda free tone AND if the parents are given the opportunity to view the curricula and decide whether it’s appropriate for their child. And yes kids talk to each other but they have since the beginning of time. It’s not so much that causing parents’ distress but having Planned Parenthood come in with graphic discussions about the use of condoms, sex toys, masturbation, oral/anal sex and homosexual activisit groups indoctrinating young people that such activity is completely normal…when one would hope discouraging sexual activity at a young age would be the objective. Planned Parenthood also hawks contraception, particularly birth control pills, Plan B and other strong hormonal medications without bothering to explain the side effects, the incidence of cancer after use of such meds and promotes their major money making activity, selling abortions.

Actually there IS a religion taught in schools but it’s secular leftism, not Christianity, Judaism or any well recognized faith tradition. I think the negative results are pretty obvious.

Lisa

 

[CrimsonThorn]

It seems that you are not aware of your own church’s view on this. If you are physically incapable of the conjugal act, you will not have your marriage sanctified by the church. You do actually need to be able to procreate to be married. How could you not know that?

So we already have two types of marriages. One that is considered valid by the Vatican and one not. Do you see any point at all in two people who are physically unable to have sex getting married? Would you like the state to ban that type of marriage?

Unless I’m misunderstanding him, CrimsonThorn does think that (see post 133).

You’re misunderstanding. For a marriage to be valid, consummation (which is not procreation) must be possible. With consummation being possible, obviously unity is now possible, and the couple must be open to life (that doesn’t mean they have to have a baby every time they engage in sexual intercourse, but they should be open to life and not artificially restrict/contracept in any way).

Gay marriage and sodomy doesn’t fulfill any of those criteria, as it is intrinsically impossible.

 

[maximus]

It is hilarious to see how you people choose to wear blinders when it comes to children and their curiouslity. I have never met a child under the age of six, who did not ask the parents and their friends: “How are children born?”. Parents have their standard answers about storks and cabbage pacthes, and sometimes about how mummy and daddy wanted you so much, that God planted a little seed in mummy’s belly… and so on… children are MOST curious about their “origin”. When they talk about it among themselves they exchange what they heard.

So wake up. Those sweet, little, innocent children WILL get their information eventually, because they WANT it. They cannot be “protected”. Better to give biologically correct answers - maybe watered down to their understanding. If you try to be secretive about it, you just whet their appetite. Children who grow up on farms and see the process of procreation is vivid details are not traumatized by it. They understand that it is a natural part of life.

Now, it is true, that with the advancement of same sex relationships, children will see that some of their friends have two daddies, or two mummies… and that turns YOUR stomach, but the children do not care. If you do not make a fuss about it, they will stop to think about it, they will accept it as natural - which it is. That is what you cannot “stomach”. Well, it is your problem, and do not ry to hide behind the “poor innocent children’s back”. Yes, society is changing. It is always changing, and it will be changing no matter how hard you would like to fossilize it. Get over it.

I cannot imagine that you have children. You might be ok with perverted sickos indoctrinating children. We stand up to the sickos and never back down, just because a society is full of miscreants it does not mean that you bend to their will. We are better equipped to teach our children when the are ready about sexual matters and not some deviants. This is common sense regardless if you are religious or an agnostic.

 

[90Domer]

I’m not exaggerating believe me and I am sure other posters will weigh in. The “war on Christmas” is a traditional theme in newsbroadcasts. As you said, forcing irreligion on school children and the public.

Topics on sexuality, particularly with respect to information on the ramifications of sexual activity, make sense in health or biology classes if taught in a dispassionate and agenda free tone AND if the parents are given the opportunity to view the curricula and decide whether it’s appropriate for their child. And yes kids talk to each other but they have since the beginning of time. It’s not so much that causing parents’ distress but having Planned Parenthood come in with graphic discussions about the use of condoms, sex toys, masturbation, oral/anal sex and homosexual activisit groups indoctrinating young people that such activity is completely normal…when one would hope discouraging sexual activity at a young age would be the objective. Planned Parenthood also hawks contraception, particularly birth control pills, Plan B and other strong hormonal medications without bothering to explain the side effects, the incidence of cancer after use of such meds and promotes their major money making activity, selling abortions.

Actually there IS a religion taught in schools but it’s secular leftism, not Christianity, Judaism or any well recognized faith tradition. I think the negative results are pretty obvious.

Lisa

I second everything that Lisa wrote, as the mom of a former public schooler who could no longer take the lack of religion in schools (and I needed public schools for special needs services for my son but found a private school that fits him much better).

 

[Faithdancer]

I subbed a kindergarten class a couple of weeks ago and I was thrilled that the teachers were teaching that Christmas is about Jesus Christ. That was a wonderful lesson plan to follow- and in a public school no less! I was at the same school the day before (first grade) and there was a Jewish boy in class, so I took some time to talk about the Jewish holidays and how Judaism is the “parent” in certain ways of Christianity.

I am more than happy to take any opportunity to evangelize children, where it isn’t expressly prohibited by the school administration and is topic-appropriate. Give me a science class, I’m happy to mention the theology inherent in the Big Bang theory…etc.

I have also been wearing some article of clothing with a cross on it to my public school assignments for over a year now, and I have* never* been questioned or challenged about it. Occasionally the kids will ask me if I’m a Christian; they are just naturally curious about new people, especially the 6th graders- they’re downright nosy sometimes, lol! But I’ve heard nothing at all from other teachers, secretaries, principals- nada. I consider it “subtle” evangelization…but that’s how I dress everywhere, anyway.

I will never cover any part of a lesson plan for children that includes education on sexuality, homosexuality or otherwise. If I don’t cover it, so what? I can just say I didn’t have time for it, which is true enough!

 

[NeedImprovement]

. . .
We home-school our child to avoid exposure to HS and PP material that happens often in our local school system. In our public school system children are encouraged to first try out sexual experiences with members of the same sex.

We were trained to become Foster parents with the aim to adopt, but backed out because some because of some of the philosophies of our State’s Department of Youth and Family services.

God Bless

Unfortunately, we aren’t even guaranteed the security of freedom in home schooling our children in this country. While it would’ve seemed like the only remaining (albeit restrictive) way/choice for parents to be coerced into salvaging a fraction of their rights – as a last resort, the government here stooped ever lower – against the will of the majority, taking its lead from gay tyranny fueled by the media. Earlier this year the province of Alberta drew up and tried to pass legislation that would invade/intrude right into the privacy of individual homes and families. Have a look at just how intolerant this intimidating depraved view of tolerance becomes the more it is left to fester:

Homeschooling Families Can’t Teach Homosexuality Is a Sin In Class

Under Alberta’s new Education Act, homeschoolers and faith-based schools will not be permitted to teach that homosexual acts are sinful as part of their academic program . . . Reacting to the remarks, Paul Faris of the Home School Legal Defence Association said the Ministry of Education is “clearly signaling that they are in fact planning to violate the private conversations families have in their own homes.”

Then the bill was put on hold because of an election . . . chalcedon.edu/research/articles/bill-threatening-christian-homeschoolers-put-on-hold/

Most recently, reported in mid-November this year it appears that the public outcry against these tyrants is starting to unmask them resulting in a change in the law :

Alberta is poised to wipe all references to the Charter of Rights and Freedoms and provincial Human Rights out of its Education act, after pressure from home-schooling advocates . . .

About 1,200 parents and teachers assembled at the provincial legislature last spring, angry with a section in the Education Act. . .

But some parents who school their children at home say that’s a government intrusion that goes too far. As a result, a new education act has been introduced removing any mention of human rights legislation and is expected to receive third reading when the legislature resumes next week.
cbc.ca/thecurrent/episode/2012/11/14/the-exclusion-of-the-charter-and-human-rights-in-the-new-alberta-education-act/

. . . a timely little reminder of what fervent united prayer and united efforts can accomplish with God’s help.

Wait a minute. . . . . . I think I just heard Goliath scream “Owwww !!. . . “

So now let’s have another look at those words again

You should be aware that the fight is already lost. . .

The above quote becomes part of the gay militant propaganda – an attempt to demoralize – whether deliberate or not doesn’t matter. We simply need to make sure we can recognize it. It’s called “inevitablism” and it is fueled by misinformation often used to create an artificial sense of urgency

Considering the aforementioned , perhaps one may understand why totally unqualified, unsubstantiated claims such as

. . .
I’ll also add that Canada, . . . and many other countries have legalized same-sex marriages seemingly without any problems for opposite-sex relationships.

. . . will find no support if they were to plead “ignorance”. These type of statements really do tend to irk the **** out of me – people who challenge what everyone else has to say but who think we should accord credibility to their own baseless assertions on such a grave matter. . . baseless assertions which serve to further the propaganda of the gay militants, regardless of what they were intended to do.

 

[NeedImprovement]

So wake up. . . . Now, it is true, that with the advancement of same sex relationships, . . . but the children do not care.

Gee . . . I guess someone must’ve conducted a poll with the children . I wonder where all the demographics stats and cross references might’ve gotten to . . .

It is hilarious to see how you people choose to wear blinders . . . the advancement of same sex relationships, . . . children . . . will accept it as natural - which it is.

Yeah, right : Two men sodomizing each other is natural - :dts: And let’s make sure everybody teaches their children that. I surmise that if even Charles Darwin were alive today he might be tempted to kick someones butt ; a classic case of the *blinders *leading the blinders.

It is hilarious to see how you people choose to wear blinders . . . the advancement of same sex relationships, . . . That is what you cannot “stomach”. Well, it is your problem, and do not ry to hide behind the “poor innocent children’s back”. Yes, society is changing. It is always changing, and it will be changing no matter how hard you would like to fossilize it. Get over it.

. . . More inevitablism guys. We should probably be thankful to the poster for giving us such a thorough group of examples of inevitablism. . . Don’t you think ?

:tiphat:



(* ps: There was something else even more subtle going on in that post that some might’ve missed - will point it out in a subsequent post)

 

[edwest2]

Angry assertions with no backing don’t make for good arguments. If people in Canada and elsewhere continue to act, especially if the privacy of their own homes is violated, this will be exposed for what it is.

Something is only ‘potentially’ inevitable if people do nothing. Be peaceful, present the facts, and continue to do so.

Peace,
Ed

 

[NeedImprovement]

It is hilarious to see how you people choose to wear blinders . . .

I would ask my fellow Christian members to focus on only two words in the excerpt above. In this case it takes only 2 words in that post to promote a particular fallacy. The words are “You people” . Once we accept those words, we are misclassified and limited to arguing under the poster’s terms.

Moreover we permit ourselves to be placed in a particular group. In actuality it’s a mirage that has been created - imaginary utopic groups which don’t exist . But once people assume the “group” identity the poster wishes to impose on them, then the poster can appoint himself as spokesman for the “other group” – namely everyone else outside the “group” of “you people”. It becomes an effective tool in the deceptive practice of painting a larger than life picture which is a distortion of reality.

“You people” is really anyone who dares to disagree with the poster. But what is implied is “all you Catholics”.

We see on the thread how arguments using the gay lobby buzzwords such as *tolerance *and diversity are used. Numerous attempts were made to try and change the focus from the topic of *Gay Marriage Doesn’t Hurt Society * and to transform it into individual cloaked accusations of homophobia and discrimination . They try to label others as *homosexual haters *– which isn’t at all true .

As a matter of fact,we should probably include in the “you people” group, practically all heterosexuals ; since by their very lifestyle, they’re saying that something is not right about homosexual activity.

Now the “you people" who don’t agree that we could ever equate homosexual or same sex relationships with marriage might be a little surprised to learn that there are people who experience SSA , some who experience homosexual tendencies and even some who engage in flat out active homosexuality who share these same views as we do – making them also part of our “you people “ group.

A considerable number of LGBT people do not believe that equating same sex unions to marriage is a good idea. The actual percentage is difficult to determine because some are afraid to speak up. The gay militants are not that numerous themselves, but are influential and deftly manipulative in their lobbying tactics – particularly through the media and they intimidate some LGBT people which prevents them from ever voicing their disagreement. Still , there are those who don’t fear to voice their opinion.

We might consider
I’m Gay. . . And I Hate It

• or,

Even my community–the gay community I will defend with my dying breath–is guilty of ridiculous propaganda spread thick among what is otherwise true… .

There are also people who don’t know any better and say what they believe because it is all they have ever heard. Such people mean you no harm, but their incorrect words are what we OCD folks latch onto. Those words get stuck in our brains and become our illogical false truths.
[ I’m Gay but You’re Not : Understanding Homosexuality Fears ](http://www.bra(name removed by moderator)hysics.com - contact with domain owner | Epik.com)

Many more examples are available for anyone who knows how to use a search engine. But to really drive the truth of this point home, let us make honourable mention of Denis Altman.

La Trobe University professor Dennis Altman, a gay-rights pioneer, describes the gay-marriage campaign as "self-indulgent cr**. . .
Argument Ignores Double Standards; The Telegraph

That last word rhymes with “wrap” guys.

 

[Farien]

I cannot imagine that you have children.

You are wrong. Grandkids, too.

You might be ok with perverted sickos indoctrinating children. We stand up to the sickos and never back down, just because a society is full of miscreants it does not mean that you bend to their will. We are better equipped to teach our children when the are ready about sexual matters and not some deviants. This is common sense regardless if you are religious or an agnostic.

I just love the outpour of “christian love” you display… how uplifting… “sickos” and “deviants”… and so on. Guess what? That is only your opinion, and as such it does not amount to much.

Yes, the times are a’changing - as Bob Dylan said. Children will learn that tolerance is good, calling others “sickos” is not “love”. It is possible to slow down the progress, but it is impossible to stop it. Get used to it.

 

[Farien]

“You people” is really anyone who dares to disagree with the poster. But what is implied is “all you Catholics”.

No, it is not implied. Do not try to put words into my mouth.

All “you people” is restricted to those who are arch-conservative, who are holier-than-the-pope, who are ultra-die-hard in their beliefs - that is what is “implied”, and now explicitly stated. There is a very sizable percentage of catholics who are excluded from the “you people”. Those whom you love to call “heretical” cafeteria catholics (the word “heretic” always conjures up of the stench of the burning human flesh at the stakes - I wonder why?).