Gay Marriage has no place in the Catholic Church

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  1. What about one man and more than one woman, is this marriage as well? (Post # 65)
This is answered clearly in the very next post # 66. Did you miss it?
  1. Well, since you brought up the Old Testament and used the word “examples”, my question is: examples of what, marriage? (Post # 74)
I was referring to the polygamy reflected in the Old Testament. The Church today does not recognize as valid, a marriage to more than one individual of the opposite sex. Only the marriage to the first could be valid. I say could because this is determined by the circumstances of the marriage, such as divorce, annulment, etc.

This should answer both of your questions.
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Deacon Ed B
 
Societal benefits like tax breaks, family health care coverage, insurance beneficiary rights etc. All things of this world.
And the thing that all societies must have to survive they refuse to provide. Children. Yes some are willing to adopt and thus have the financial costs of children. They can not produce children. For unless they go to a donor or have relations with someone of the opposite sex they can not provide the very life blood of society. So they can gain all the benefits with none of the risks or the heartbreak and expenses of raising a natural family.

Yes many people choose to adopt a child. This is a noble thing and fill the emptiness in many peoples arms. But, even those of us that adopt or foster can not provide society with what they need most. A new generation so we can keep on being a real society.
 
This is answered clearly in the very next post # 66. Did you miss it?
No I didn’t miss it. I’m just discouraged at the angle from which you answered it. Your answer has the composition of evasiveness. In fact, based on your answer in post # 66, the conclusion could be drawn that as a Catholic who believes that marriage can only be valid between one man and one woman, the patriarchs in the Old Testament who did have multiple wives were guilty of adultry. Or do you think that their marriage was valid in God’s eyes?
 
No I didn’t miss it. I’m just discouraged at the angle from which you answered it. Your answer has the composition of evasiveness. In fact, based on your answer in post # 66, the conclusion could be drawn that as a Catholic who believes that marriage can only be valid between one man and one woman, the patriarchs in the Old Testament who did have multiple wives were guilty of adultry. Or do you think that their marriage was valid in God’s eyes?
How in the world do you reach that conclusion. Did you miss the point that I said we are now in the New Testament. Even Abraham’s wife Sarah, gave him her slave girl Hagar because she, Sarah could not have children. I don’t know where you are coming from, but I have not passed judgment on the Old Testament marriages. Thats not my job. I have enough to keep my hands full with helping people in the here and now. Where are you coming from. It like you have a major beef about something, but have not come out and said what it is. If I read you wrong, I am sorry. If you have a beef, what is it?
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Deacon Ed B
 
How in the world do you reach that conclusion. Did you miss the point that I said we are now in the New Testament. Even Abraham’s wife Sarah, gave him her slave girl Hagar because she, Sarah could not have children. I don’t know where you are coming from, but I have not passed judgment on the Old Testament marriages. Thats not my job. I have enough to keep my hands full with helping people in the here and now. Where are you coming from. It like you have a major beef about something, but have not come out and said what it is. If I read you wrong, I am sorry. If you have a beef, what is it?
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Deacon Ed B
I tell you what if I read you wrong, I’m sorry too. How about we resume this discussion at a later date ok?
 
I tell you what if I read you wrong, I’m sorry too. How about we resume this discussion at a later date ok?
You remain in my prayers. Please keep me in yours also
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Deacon Ed B
 
For those unaware, the state is also wrong and commits a sin by allowing it.

It becomes for the state a decision of choosing *common *evil or good. This enters a crucial point in devine justice. God can remain politically correct, or actually follow His single (dogmatically assured to us) standard rules, and process this entity in the form it chose to sin.

The impact is either we will see unrepentant collectives suffering in the form they have chosen to sin, given the eons of nations/groups/societies that have passed, or all individuals in hades who were judged for their individual choice have been exposed to a travesty of justice by it. This means all individuals as a combined unit.

This is not an unreasonable expectation. Throughout scripture we notice offences to God done by groups who have entered a contract of cohesivness of one form or another. Collectives show this by acting as one in war, to set laws, to pay war reparation if they fail, etc. If an individual finds himself at odds with the colletive character, he can find an out. In a collective, many consciences are at work discerning the right or wrong of a proposal(temptation), so choosing a wrong more concretely solidifies it’s determination to offend, or some would say obstinance to conform to the Law. Remember bills of legislature that are wrong have a long time to be processed and are scrutinized carefully. The imputation becomes more solidly cemented into the collective’s fabric. A decision becomes a dare when so many choose to disobey, the individual sinner not having such an option.

The upshot is that if we have a Justice of favored entities before testing begins, those destined to be condemned and who are able to keep a cool head will create some interesting defence scenerios in the area of judicial protocol and standards, and it is possible some celestial reputations will be at risk by it. What we heard about the trials being short and one on one have a practical reason it seems. Even if we set aside one injustice in celestial trials, ie: the practice of ignoring conflict of interest, the celestial halls would resound with justified cries of fraud, and that too would be…truth.

AndyF
 
well, that was my point. How does having homosexual marriages benefit society? They don’t. If anything they hurt society. I posted a link on this thread earlier explaining that.
Then perhaps you should write out your complete thought. What you and Kathleen are missing is that none of us is in favor of same sex marriage. I was merely explaining what some of the “couples” seek since a few posters here did not know why these same sex couples wanted to be “married.” Kathleen explained my point in more detail very well

However I do not want us to forget that being anti-same sex marriage does not mean we refuse to minister to gay men and women or deny them as humans worthy of God’s Love. We do not judge their souls.
 
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