oh, snap. I believe that sedonaman was in fact AGREEING with Chesterton. Note that very last paragraph–that’s sarcasm. or even the fact that Sedonaman is himself providing well known factual instances for the situations that Chesterton mentioned and you asked for proof.
John, I’m in a mood today and I seriously doubt that any one is listening. in fact, I’m quite convinced that if i were to post a bloody thread requesting moral thoughts on the idea of canibalism of willing victims, there are people here who would say, well, sure it’s all right, I mean after all, it’s all in how you look at it and perspective, and his truth and his victims’ truth is that cannibalism is good. is there a little smiley tearing her ever-lovin’ hair out?
This is a very wise statement. Private behavior always impacts the greater social fabric. The Catholic Church is prudent in recognizing this fact and that is one of the reasons why confession to a priest is mandatory for forgiveness of serious sins. Since all of our sins are against society (no matter how “private” they may seem), you must go and ask forgiveness in a social setting, which is why we can’t just “ask God in our heads, privately, while praying in our bedrooms”. Forgiveness must be obtianed publicly, in the confessional. But I don’t want to dereail the thread. I just wanted to point out the importance of John21652’s statement.
“The courts have repeatedly held that the Boy Scouts of America, and all private organizations, have a right to set membership standards in accordance with the First Amendment protected concept of freedom of association. In particular, in Boy Scouts of America v. Dale, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled in 2000 that the BSA’s Constitutional right to freedom of association gave them the authority to expel a gay assistant Scoutmaster.”
That’s right. And the only limit to liberal tolerance so popular these days is that which challenges the tolerance über alles principle.
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Are you supporting his point?
No. It looks like the BSA is free to deny membership to whomever it likes.Are you supporting his point?
and then
Meanwhile, in all of that Nate also gave you an example, with a link as well.
I want the ONLY OBJECTIVELY CORRECT theology to be imposed on the public – the Catholic one.
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I too find it confusing, so I’ll press the “reset” button and throw out some premises:
How will you achieve this? By means of a theocracy? The Pope’s army? That’s a lot of soldiers to field to keep seven billion people in line…
The Marine Corps uses pull-ups, not push-ups, as its test of upper body strength. I believe the current standard is that you have to be able to do only two to sign up, but you have to be able to do five by the time you ship to boot camp. Most Marine recruits can do at least ten before boot camp, and they generally get stronger once they get there.
Except that you state that you are Catholic (attending Latin Masses), and your position is directly opposed by the USCCB, who have counseled all of us that the promotion of civil unions undermines the ethic of Life/TraditionalMarriage/Family as a unit, in line with Catholic moral theology. (There’s a statement on their website specific to unions, as well as statements about “marriage.”)
There is plenty of evidence that Catholic principles have been diluted by the widespread ill-advised acceptance of certain secular priorities which directly oppose Catholic priorities.
As you yourself acknowledged earlier, tolerance does not require support for homosexual legal unions or legal “marriage.”
(1) Who is “you?” Those of us who both understand the widespread significance of traditional marriage and who follow our Church leaders who require the same of us?
I’m open to discussion. I get it that you oppose gay “marriage” – so do I. But you won’t even allow them civil unions. How do you propose to protect the rights of children of lesbian and gay couples, if not by some sort of state-recognized civil union?
Catholic priorities began to be diluted before the Holy Roman Empire ended.
“You” is generic.
You don’t have to wait in your community. Kick out the gay and lesbian people before they begin to affect your local society; I’m sure they will find their way to communities that will accept them. I have no idea what you mean by “flattening of moral hierarchies,” but my community – in both the Catholic and the secular dimension – is thriving.
Believe it or not there is a solution for this whole gay marriage battle that should be amicable for both sides
Sounds encouraging.