Gay marriage OK because homosexuals born that way and deserve to have romantic relationships too?

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Headed out the door but I will post the studies and their links a bit later. The idea is it is a combination of genetic markers on the x chromosome and/or an immune response of the mothers body in utero which leads to the male brain being less receptive to certain hormones. The brain develops more like a typical female brain. Not a definte yes but some strong conclusive evidence that it occurs before birth.
But it doesn’t matter. Alcoholism and Schizophrenia also are predetermined or at least predisposed before birth. They are disorders too.
 
Like rats in a maze The Liar has people spinning out in all directions tripping up on their own thological hypothesis all while The Liar is shaking the maze. The Liar is trying to confuse us or even just create a speck of doubt. The Liar is biding his time while those who do The Liar’s work chip away at the Truth.

The answer to the question is No.

Catecism #2359, #2396, #2357. Learn the faith.
 
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Like rats in a maze The Liar has people spinning out in all directions tripping up on their own thological hypothesis all while The Liar is shaking the maze. The Liar is trying to confuse us or even just create a speck of doubt. The Liar is biding his time while those who do The Liar’s work chip away at the Truth.

The answer to the question is No.

Catecism #2359, #2396, #2357. Learn the faith.
Too bad God can’t control “The Liar”

“The Liar” reference reminds me of the character Margret White in the book (and movie) Carrie

What a sad way to view the world. A bit like Archy Bunker when he would thank God “for this here rotten world” he created.
 
But it doesn’t matter. Alcoholism and Schizophrenia also are predetermined or at least predisposed before birth. They are disorders too.
Homosexuality is not considered a disorder check the DSM. Not in there.
 
Is Homophobia Associated With Homosexual Arousal?

…The results of this study indicate that individuals who score
in the homophobic range and admit negative affect toward homosexuality
demonstrate significant sexual arousal to male homosexual
erotic stimuli.

oogachaga.com/downloads/homophobia_and_homosexual_arousal.pdf

Interesting and I think somewhat relevant to the discussion at hand.
That’s just crazy. Homosexuals are those who fear homosexuals?

This thread is getting totally out of control. Please, court14, focus your question or criticism (I don’t even know which one it is) in a concise and productive way so we can continue.
 
That’s just crazy. Homosexuals are those who fear homosexuals?

This thread is getting totally out of control. Please, court14, focus your question or criticism (I don’t even know which one it is) in a concise and productive way so we can continue.
Did you even read the study?
 
Actually no and here is what the experts have to say…

"Homosexuality is assuredly no advantage, but it is nothing to be ashamed of, no vice, no degradation, it cannot be classified as an illness; we consider it to be a variation of the sexual function produced by a certain arrest of sexual development. Many highly respectable individuals of ancient and modern times have been homosexuals, several of the greatest men among them (Plato, Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci, etc.). It is a great injustice to persecute homosexuality as a crime, and cruelty too…

Freud (1935)

The research on homosexuality is very clear.Homosexuality is neither mental illness normoral depravity.Itis simply the way a minority of our population expresses human loveand sexuality.Study after study documents the mental health of gay men and lesbians.Studies of judgment,stability,reliability,and social and vocational adaptiveness all showthat gay men and lesbians function every bit as well as heterosexuals …Researchfindings suggest that efforts to repair homosexuals are nothing more than socialprejudice garbed in psychological accouterments.

American Psychological Association (1994)

No, lesbian, gay, and bisexual orientations are not disorders. Research has found no inherent association between any of these sexual orientations and psychopathology. Both heterosexual behavior and homosexual behavior are normal aspects of human sexuality. Both have been documented in many different cultures and historical eras. Despite the persistence of stereotypes that portray lesbian, gay, and bisexual people as disturbed, several decades of research and clinical experience have led all mainstream medical and mental health organizations in this country to conclude that these orientations represent normal forms of human experience. Lesbian, gay, and bisexual relationships are normal forms of human bonding. Therefore, these mainstream organizations long ago abandoned classifications of homosexuality as a mental disorder.

American Psychological Association. (2008).

No. All major professional mental health organizations have gone on record to affirm that homosexuality is not a mental disorder. In 1973 the American Psychiatric Association’s Board of Trustees removed homosexuality from its official diagnostic manual, The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, Second Edition (DSM II). The action was taken following a review of the scientific literature and consultation with experts in the field. The experts found that homosexuality does not meet the criteria to be considered a mental illness.

American Psychiatric Association (2000)

*Social stigmatization of lesbian,gay,and bisexual people is widespread and is a primary motivating factor in leading some people to seek sexual orientation changes.Sexual orientation conversion therapies assume that homosexual orientation is both pathological and freely chosen.No data demonstrate that reparative or conversion therapies are effective,and in fact they maybe harmful.NASW believes social workers have the responsibility to clients to explain the prevailing knowledge concerning sexual orientation and the lackof data reporting positive outcomes with reparative therapy.NASW discourages social workers from providing treatments designed to change sexual orientation or from referring practitioners or programs that claim to do so. *

National Association ofSocial Workers​

 
But it doesn’t matter. Alcoholism and Schizophrenia also are predetermined or at least predisposed before birth. They are disorders too.
Homosexuality is not a disorder according to the experts…

"Homosexuality is assuredly no advantage, but it is nothing to be ashamed of, no vice, no degradation, it cannot be classified as an illness; we consider it to be a variation of the sexual function produced by a certain arrest of sexual development. Many highly respectable individuals of ancient and modern times have been homosexuals, several of the greatest men among them (Plato, Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci, etc.). It is a great injustice to persecute homosexuality as a crime, and cruelty too…

Freud (1935)

The research on homosexuality is very clear.Homosexuality is neither mental illness nor moral depravity.It is simply the way a minority of our population expresses human love and sexuality.Study after study documents the mental health of gay men and lesbians.Studies of judgment,stability,reliability,and social and vocational adaptiveness all show that gay men and lesbians function every bit as well as heterosexuals …Research findings suggest that efforts to repair homosexuals are nothing more than socialprejudice garbed in psychological accouterments.

American Psychological Association (1994)

No, lesbian, gay, and bisexual orientations are not disorders. Research has found no inherent association between any of these sexual orientations and psychopathology. Both heterosexual behavior and homosexual behavior are normal aspects of human sexuality. Both have been documented in many different cultures and historical eras. Despite the persistence of stereotypes that portray lesbian, gay, and bisexual people as disturbed, several decades of research and clinical experience have led all mainstream medical and mental health organizations in this country to conclude that these orientations represent normal forms of human experience. Lesbian, gay, and bisexual relationships are normal forms of human bonding. Therefore, these mainstream organizations long ago abandoned classifications of homosexuality as a mental disorder.

American Psychological Association. (2008).

No. All major professional mental health organizations have gone on record to affirm that homosexuality is not a mental disorder. In 1973 the American Psychiatric Association’s Board of Trustees removed homosexuality from its official diagnostic manual, The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, Second Edition (DSM II). The action was taken following a review of the scientific literature and consultation with experts in the field. The experts found that homosexuality does not meet the criteria to be considered a mental illness.

American Psychiatric Association (2000)

*Social stigmatization of lesbian,gay,and bisexual people is widespread and is a primary motivating factor in leading some people to seek sexual orientation changes.Sexual orientation conversion therapies assume that homosexual orientation is both pathological and freely chosen.No data demonstrate that reparative or conversion therapies are effective,and in fact they maybe harmful.NASW believes social workers have the responsibility to clients to explain the prevailing knowledge concerning sexual orientation and the lack of data reporting positive outcomes with reparative therapy.NASW discourages social workers from providing treatments designed to change sexual orientation or from referring practitioners or programs that claim to do so. *
National Association ofSocial Workers​

 
Supress scientific facts?
  1. Where didi we get the University system from?
  2. Where was the first planetarium and one of the largest telescopes for hundreds of years.
  3. The only fact liberals have to go to is Galaleo and then distort the facts.
He was given numerous awards by the church prior.

He was paid by the Catholic Church for his research

He was asked to wait to publish his findings till his theory could be made fact.

That purely was the churches propertry as again they paid him to come up with findings concerning this research.

I am sure today as a pharmaceutical scientist working for company A and coming up with a cure for a desease you could go public with that info… before your employer says yes… ha ha ha

he refused his employers request to protect their rightful property and wait until his findings were fact rather than theory.
He was then placed on house arrest where he was paid to continue his research and prove his theory to fact.

You really should read a book called how the Catholic Church built Western Civilization.

It would really surprise you how much the Church was and is involved in science.

By the way Christopher Columbus – a Catholic discovered America–World not flat after all.
Thank you so much for sharing that information with us. I have wondered where the information was, and now I found it. There is so much garbage that anti Catholic leaders and writers have shoved down our throats and are trying to shove down the throats of our children. I am a homeschool mom because I want my children to learn the truth…not political correctness!!!

There is a huge problem in this world. People believe that if you repeat a lie often enough, the lie should be established and taught to be truth. Everyone who is smart enough to do research recognizes it as a lie, but once mainstream media accept it as truth, political correctness demands that no one should have the right to doubt that it is truth.

I give You praise and thanks, Lord Jesus, Saviour of the World, for the hunger for the total TRUTH which You have blessed me with.
 
That’s just crazy. Homosexuals are those who fear homosexuals?

This thread is getting totally out of control. Please, court14, focus your question or criticism (I don’t even know which one it is) in a concise and productive way so we can continue.
Sorry if it seems crazy but those were the results.
 
Mercy and Love we must show but we do not condone the sin. Sin is a lie and lies come from The Liar. So full of pride the light of Lucifer blinded himself and he’ll take anyone with him. Human life is short. Nothing compared to eternity. The suffering of repentant homosexuals is not lost on God. He knows.

Pray for them.
 
Is Homophobia Associated With Homosexual Arousal?

…The results of this study indicate that individuals who score
in the homophobic range and admit negative affect toward homosexuality
demonstrate significant sexual arousal to male homosexual
erotic stimuli.

oogachaga.com/downloads/homophobia_and_homosexual_arousal.pdf

Interesting and I think somewhat relevant to the discussion at hand.
God gave us a soul different from all other living things…that we may use reason and judgement…and not be slaves of instinct.

Just because something may feel good to our senses does not imply that it is good for our bodies, souls, lives, relationships, responsibilities, society.
Alcoholics and crack addicts think it feels good to get high…but that does not make it right or acceptable.
 
God gave us a soul different from all other living things…that we may use reason and judgement…and not be slaves of instinct.

Just because something may feel good to our senses does not imply that it is good for our bodies, souls, lives, relationships, responsibilities, society.
Alcoholics and crack addicts think it feels good to get high…but that does not make it right or acceptable.
So did god create instinct?
 
So did god create instinct?
You seem committed to exploding the scope of this thread continually towards vague ends.

Again, stake out a concise position from which we can move forward please.
 
Yes, Genesis 1 and following…

The Liar keeps shaking the maze and watches the rats tripping overselves looking for the slightest stumble. A weakness, a chink in the armour. Laying in wait to exploit it. A stubborn doubt in doctrine is answered with the truth and prayer. The truth has been revealed. Now we pray.
 
Headed out the door but I will post the studies and their links a bit later. The idea is it is a combination of genetic markers on the x chromosome and/or an immune response of the mothers body in utero which leads to the male brain being less receptive to certain hormones. The brain develops more like a typical female brain. Not a definte yes but some strong conclusive evidence that it occurs before birth.
Cara-

This is one of the more recent studies on Sexual Orientation. I will see if I can locate other current research. Pretty cool stuff (although I am a bit of a science geek!)
 
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