Gay marriage OK because homosexuals born that way and deserve to have romantic relationships too?

[CWBetts]

I assume your friend sees marriage simply as a legal arrangement and not a sacrament? If that is the case, the homosexual couple can draw up legal documents to secure power of attorney and whatnot, but maybe you need to tell him that marriage is much more than just a contract, and that a heterosexual couple engaging in sexual activity outside of marriage is also a grave sin.

 

[Holly3278]

I assume your friend sees marriage simply as a legal arrangement and not a sacrament? If that is the case, the homosexual couple can draw up legal documents to secure power of attorney and whatnot, but maybe you need to tell him that marriage is much more than just a contract, and that a heterosexual couple engaging in sexual activity is also a grave sin.

Ah ok. I haven’t considered this before. Thank you!

 

[Maxply]

HOlly, I posted much earlier and haven’t read subsequent entries.

I DO think marriage is a matter of social concern chiefly because it’s NOT about two persons—it’s about intergenerational growth and development. Parenting the next generation.

(Sure, there’s the old thin counterexample of the childless couple; they’re not too usual. . . probably more in recent decades than ever before).

Because it’s about this, it makes sense to NOT have sodomite marriage: homosexuality is a psychological disorder that’s creating from a raft of external causes, not a choice and not a genetically predetermined fact.

 

[Holly3278]

HOlly, I posted much earlier and haven’t read subsequent entries.

I DO think marriage is a matter of social concern chiefly because it’s NOT about two persons—it’s about intergenerational growth and development. Parenting the next generation.

(Sure, there’s the old thin counterexample of the childless couple; they’re not too usual. . . probably more in recent decades than ever before).

Because it’s about this, it makes sense to NOT have sodomite marriage: homosexuality is a psychological disorder that’s creating from a raft of external causes, not a choice and not a genetically predetermined fact.

I agree with you. But could you expound a little on what you talked about in your second paragraph please?

 

[wabrams]

The first part of your link addresses the Sodom story. Well, before I even present any form of a rebuttal, let me first ask you a very basic question. If the victims were materialized angels and the mob were humans, then at what point in the story is there even a possibility of a homosexual encounter?

You did not answer my question! You can side-step it if you like but if you are an advocate of the biblical facts as contained within Sacred Scripture, then you will leave the games to the Pharisees. Now, do you intend to answer the question or not? At what point in the story is there even the possibility of a homosexual encounter if the mob were humans, and the victims weren’t?

What do you mean by “obviously”? What was so “obvious” about the encounter not even having the chance of being a “homosexual” one?

Does the word *intent *mean anything to you?

 

[Annn]

I assume your friend sees marriage simply as a legal arrangement and not a sacrament? If that is the case, the homosexual couple can draw up legal documents to secure power of attorney and whatnot, but maybe you need to tell him that marriage is much more than just a contract, and that a heterosexual couple engaging in sexual activity outside of marriage is also a grave sin.

I think just allowing civil unions in every state is the best idea…it won’t increase the number of gay people, and it will help those who can’t afford legal advice secure those sorts of things.

 

[Annn]

So you are choosing to continue your condition.

My “condition” has always been the same. I’m choosing to remain happy.

 

[bbarrick8383]

I think just allowing civil unions in every state is the best idea.

Not every state, I doubt it would pass in the Bible Belt.

 

[CWBetts]

I think just allowing civil unions in every state is the best idea…it won’t increase the number of gay people, and it will help those who can’t afford legal advice secure those sorts of things.

that would “normalize” homosexuality…it would signify the acceptance of grave sin. As Catholics we should oppose even civil unions

 

[bbarrick8383]

I’m sure I would like the thrill of stealing a car, well maybe just a pack of gum for me. But, I know how its not only a sin but also of a negative impact on society and what I would be teaching others.

 

[Angels_Unaware]

My “condition” has always been the same. I’m choosing to remain happy.

You mean you’re choosing to continue to satisfy your flesh because it’s too hard for you to choose to live in God’s will.

 

[JDaniel]

How many straights had someone corner them in a bathroom and have someone try to ‘rape them gay’?

This is a question that should be asked of men and women in the prison system. For you, take a friend with you. I dare them to come at you if I were around.

I am a very sickly person with fragile bones. Literally, if I work out too much my bones will start snapping. It is genetic, there is nothing that can be done to repair it, I am lucky to be alive, if I lived even 50-75years ago, I probably would have died at birth or in the first decade of life.

I cannot do heavy physical labor, I am never allowed to lift more than 60lbs per doctor. I have something akin to osteoporosis, despite being only 28, it first developed at about 18.

All of these incidents are in the past, I’ve moved, found a good place to live, I do not need any sympathy for my current situation, my current situation is good. I am speaking of past events to show people how horrible things can be for those with SSA.

So, you see there are proactive steps that can be taken and were. I am glad you’re alive. Your medical conditions certainly warrant special consideration. But, not your gayness.

Science has been searching for causes of cancer, all sorts of birth disorders, many many many things, and has not found 100% cause in the large majority of them. Should we just call off that research too?

I never intimated that such inquiry should be shut off. Although, for the life of me, I can’t see what good can come from a “purposeless” search.

JD

 

[pathia]

So therefore, if you’re only reason for coming in to my thread is to post a sad and sappy story in order to try and convince people to your way of thinking, please reconsider your post. Thank you. And I mean this in no way to be offensive to anyone. As I said above, I do feel sorry for people who are mistreated because of their sexuality.

As I have said before, I appreciate sympathy, but that is not the intent of my ‘sob stories’. My intent to show you how despised we are in society in certain areas of the country.

I literally had to move several thousand miles before I could even get a job. I had to leave all my friends, all my family and literally start over. There was no other option, I beat my head against the wall in my old home for about a decade. I could never get a decent job, never make anything of myself.

What happened when I moved into a more liberal state? Opportunities abounded, I have a good job now, no one gives a darn, I haven’t had anyone even grumble an insult at me in months. It’s like light and dark. I tried for 10years in my old home, but kept being shoved down by society. Whereas where I am now, it took me only about two months to find a good job.

The difference is astounding and it bothers me that people don’t seem to even think there’s anything wrong with that. It bugs me that people just keep hand-waving and saying ‘christians don’t do that’. I had to go somewhere, where there aren’t as many christians, I had to actively seek out a godless secular company, but you know what? They actually treat me like a human being!

 

[bbarrick8383]

You mean one of those liberal states ran by a liberal politician that believes anything goes?

One of those liberal states that is currently facing an economic crisis like California which is 7 billion in the whole. That the responsible part of the country is going to have to bail out.

Yes, I believe they are in their position because of their liberal beliefs. Not just those beliefs aimed at homosexuals, but the “I am my brothers keeper” beliefs as well. Just liberal beliefs in general have buried some states. Yet the conservative states prosper.

 

[pathia]

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Yes, I believe they are in their position because of their liberal beliefs. Not just those beliefs aimed at homosexuals, but the “I am my brothers keeper” beliefs as well. Just liberal beliefs in general have buried some states. Yet the conservative states prosper.

I am not in California. The economy in this state is just fine, thank you very much. This downturn is hitting everywhere, the entire world, if you haven’t noticed yet. It also has nothing to do with this thread.

 

[bbarrick8383]

This downturn is hitting everywhere, the entire world, if you haven’t noticed yet. It also has nothing to do with this thread.

Liberal states have been hit way harder. This whole thread has left the MT, but that is usually how it goes. It still relates to the “left side” of things of which you belong.

People from your original town do not want to explain “King and King” to their children. Its not like they were being racist to you. They are trying to protect their children and their morals. They, however, should not be mean to you in any sense. But if you cant understand that your lifestyle will create friction among those who are 100 percent against it then you are naive.

 

[pathia]

People from your original town do not want to explain “King and King” to their children. Its not like they were being racist to you. They are trying to protect their children and their morals. They, however, should not be mean to you in any sense. But if you cant understand that your lifestyle will create friction among those who are 100 percent against it then you are naive.

What lifestyle? I’m celibate.

 

[bbarrick8383]

What lifestyle? I’m celibate.

Celibacy is between you and God, not you and your neighbor.

This is what it boils down to, and you can take it however you like.

If you are gay person and you present yourself as a straight person then you wont have to worry for the most part.

If you are gay and you act flamboyant then you might not like peoples reaction, and that is their right to react that way, with respect. Especially if there are children nearby.

Now, I personally now an older man who acts a little flamboyant, but he is an active married Christian and raised some very respectable children. I live in a small very conservative town and everyone shows him respect.

 

[pathia]

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If you are gay person and you present yourself as a straight person then you wont have to worry for the most part.

If you are gay and you act flamboyant then you might not like peoples reaction, and that is their right to react that way, with respect. Especially if there are children nearby.

Acting straight is what led to the assaults and attempted rape on my person, I can’t do it, it’s not safe for my body or mind.

Read back farther in some of my posts, my situation is more complicated than just being gay, though it is part of the ‘gay agenda’ so to speak.

 

[edwest2]

Some information from ewtn.com:

ewtn.com/library/ISSUES/zssmenthel.HTM

Peace,
Ed