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Why can’t the state stop giving out marriage licenses, and instead only grant civil union licenses to everyone?
People can then still get married by a church and nobody would be redefining “marriage”.
I believe that state marriage licenses are a violation of seperation of Church and State, as marriage is a religious institution and a sacrament.Why can’t the state stop giving out marriage licenses, and instead only grant civil union licenses to everyone?People can then still get married by a church and nobody would be redefining “marriage”.
We mapped the entire human genome, and found no gay gene.First, people are NOT born homosexual. There is no such thing as a gay gene.
Yes, there is no gay gene, but we have determined that you are born gay. You don’t flip a coin during puberty, and decide what you want to be.We mapped the entire human genome, and found no gay gene.
Who is this “we” kemosabe?Yes, there is no gay gene, but we have determined that you are born gay.
I was being facetious. Where are the SOCAS types when the government does these religious ceremonies? They should be screaming “SOCAS violation” here.I’m also a little confused, you said that marriage licenses are a separation of church and state, which they are, but what did you mean by “But hey, but the state can do religious ceremonies like marriage, state funerals and that’s fine.”?
Don’t need a gene.Homosexuality is not something a person decides to be so the idea that same sex marriage would somehow have negative effects on children is just plain silly. The most recent studies we have (dealing with gay men) indicate that sexual orientation is determined in utero before birth. It has to do with an immune response from the mother and the receptor cites for testosterone in the unborn child’s brain being less receptive to said hormone. As a result the brain develops more like a female brain. Hence same sex attraction.
First, we must decide under what conditions the government would issue “civil union” licenses. And we need safeguards that these conditions would not be changed in the future. This requires a definition of what a civil union is. And it requires this definition to be outside of the political process - this cannot be done using a political structure known as the secular government.Don’t need a gene.
SOCAS is what our nation is built on. I don’t see what would be so bad about changing marriage licenses to civil union licenses. You still have not given a valid reason as to why my proposal wouldn’t work.
Why change a whole body of long settled law to accomodate the political demands of a few self- interested parties? That’s a political question really, and the bad thing is that the couyrts have turned it into a legal question. Unfortunately courts no longer defer to legislatures, which is not a good thing in a democracy like ours. It is noDon’t need a gene.
SOCAS is what our nation is built on. I don’t see what would be so bad about changing marriage licenses to civil union licenses. You still have not given a valid reason as to why my proposal wouldn’t work.
OK.Wasn’t the whole thing about how gays are “redefining marriage”? If you change the name to something other than marriage, you don’t have anything else to complain about.
Wording is everything so I agree.Why change a whole body of long settled law to accommodate the political demands of a few self- interested parties? Works the same for abortion? Why make SUCH a big hassle about some dumb law?Because it’s WRONG. The same goes for Proposition 8. If the states just RENAME what they hand out to two people, you would be fine, would you not? Wasn’t the whole thing about how gays are “redefining marriage”? If you change the name to something other than marriage, you don’t have anything else to complain about.
Actually as far as tradition goes historically polygamy has been the standard. The analogy using pedophilia doesn’t work because we are discussing the union of two consenting adults. Neither children nor animals have to capacity to consent.OK.
Then would you support polygamous civil unions?
Pedophile civil unions?
Civil unions between brothers and sisters?
Civil unions between people and animals?
Why not?
All we’re doing in such cases is dealing with different sexual orientations, and allowing them to have civil unions.
No, I would not SUPPORT polygamous unions, but I would not reject them either. As long as no one is forced into the marriage, all the property can be divided equally, and each wife/husband is loved the same, I see nothing wrong with it.OK.
Then would you support polygamous civil unions?
Pedophile civil unions?
Civil unions between brothers and sisters?
Civil unions between people and animals?
Why not?
All we’re doing in such cases is dealing with different sexual orientations, and allowing them to have civil unions.
Bedtime Guys! Test at 9am. Look forward to further exchange of ideas. GNOK.
Then would you support polygamous civil unions?
Pedophile civil unions?
Civil unions between brothers and sisters?
Civil unions between people and animals?
Why not?
All we’re doing in such cases is dealing with different sexual orientations, and allowing them to have civil unions.
What if the legal age for marriage was 6, along with a corresponding reduction of contractability age? We’re dealing with people who are of a particular sexual orientation, and they would lobby the secular government to change the law to fit their lifestyle (as the homosexuals are currently doing).Pedophiles are attracted to someone who is below the legal age to enter into a regular marriage. If there was an 18 (or 15, depending on the state) year old who wanted to be married to a pedophile, that would be fine.
But what if they could have children? For or against civil union?It has been proved that when siblings marry and have children, they usually produce malformed/handicapped children. If the brother and sister could not have children for some reason, I see nothing wrong with that.
Nope. One is not required to have children if one is getting a civil union. Homosexuals cannot bear children.Same for the pedophile argument.
Not really. Fido could put a paw print. Mr. Ed could put a hoof print.Animals cannot sign contracts, let alone anything. That would present a problem when getting the license.