Gay Marriage: The Death Knell of Christiany

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No, mentally ill is mentally ill. Being gay is not a mental illness.
What is mental illness? How do we know what mental illness is? How do you determine what is a mental illness?
Yes I am, because that’s the only empirical definition I could imagine. If you have 1 in 10 or more people with SSA, it’s clearly a common sexual feature in many people.
So common (whatever the undisclosed determination for this is) sexual activities are normal? So if pedophilia is common then it is normal?
Natural law is just a way for theologians to try to assert their religious views have some a-religious merit. Natural law doesn’t exist.
Not really. Natural Law makes a claim that we can know good and bad based on purpose. What is your method for determining good and bad?
If it was even 1% of the population I’d say it might be viewed as abnormal. But it is much higher than that. And are you asserting that homosexuals should be imprisoned?
What is the arbitrary number that determines ‘normal’? If we could reduce homosexual activity to less than 1% then we can call it abnormal?

Have I mentioned prison? Since I haven’t why do you ask me this, other than to be provocative?
 
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No, mentally ill is mentally ill. Being gay is not a mental illness.
What is mental illness? How do we know what mental illness is? How do you determine what is a mental illness?
This seems like a reasonable definition:
“Mental illnesses are health conditions involving changes in thinking, emotion or behavior (or a combination of these). Mental illnesses are associated with distress and/or problems functioning in social, work or family activities.”
https://www.psychiatry.org/patients-families/what-is-mental-illness
Yes I am, because that’s the only empirical definition I could imagine. If you have 1 in 10 or more people with SSA, it’s clearly a common sexual feature in many people.
So common (whatever the undisclosed determination for this is) sexual activities are normal? So if pedophilia is common then it is normal?
Pedophiles make up perhaps 1% of the population, so I’d say they’re considerably less common. But I was waiting for someone to compare homosexuality to pedophilia. Odd you wouldn’t compare it to, say, AB- blood, but then you wouldn’t have your negative connation.
Natural law is just a way for theologians to try to assert their religious views have some a-religious merit. Natural law doesn’t exist.
Not really. Natural Law makes a claim that we can know good and bad based on purpose. What is your method for determining good and bad?
Natural law is just theology stripped of the word “God”. I don’t accept its existence for a number of reasons.
If it was even 1% of the population I’d say it might be viewed as abnormal. But it is much higher than that. And are you asserting that homosexuals should be imprisoned?
What is the arbitrary number that determines ‘normal’? If we could reduce homosexual activity to less than 1% then we can call it abnormal?
A lot less than 1 in 10, that’s for sure.
Have I mentioned prison? Since I haven’t why do you ask me this, other than to be provocative?
Because you compared them to tax cheats.
 
This seems like a reasonable definition:

“Mental illnesses are health conditions involving changes in thinking, emotion or behavior (or a combination of these). Mental illnesses are associated with distress and/or problems functioning in social, work or family activities.”
That isn’t much of a definition. Changes in thinking and emotions happen all the time to everyone. The second sentence says assocatied with. It doesn’t even say cause. If we said normal functioning in society is for men to have sex with women and not other men then we’ve just made homosexuality a mental illness.
Pedophiles make up perhaps 1% of the population, so I’d say they’re considerably less common. But I was waiting for someone to compare homosexuality to pedophilia. Odd you wouldn’t compare it to, say, AB- blood, but then you wouldn’t have your negative connation.
Of course you were waiting, but I’d didn’t compare them. I mentioned another sexual inclination that some people think is abnormal. That seems much more relevant than blood types. It is the go to because libertinism has made all other sexual sin good. So, if you can name a sexual abnormality then I’ll be happy to use that in place of pedophilia.
Because you compared them to tax cheats.
No, I didn’t compare. I made a point. And who said I think tax cheats should go to prison?
 
If a man as he grows up discovers that he has no (sexual) attraction to the opposite sex, and in fact may be appalled by the idea, it is understandable that he may seek medical assistance to determine if his situation is treatable. Why? Because the man “knows” it is ‘normal’ for a man to experience attraction to the opposite sex - it is the natural path that promotes the survival of the species (through passing on of genes), and his body is equipped with the necessary organs and capacity to give effect to that end. An incapacity or strong aversion to what is inherent to our nature is not ‘normal’.

Is the person physically or mentally ill? The former is testable (within limits) in various ways. The latter (in general) is judged against various criteria, including whether the individual’s capacity to operate in society is seriously diminished and whether the individual is distressed by his situation.

Now if a man experiences both the above lack of interest or aversion to sexual relationship with women but also a (sexual) attraction to men, do we now say oh, all is well? The man who is not distressed by this situation is certainly not regarded as mentally ill given the criteria used to judge mental illness. But the disinterest in the kinds of relationships which are the means to reproduce remains and the incongruence between bodily capacity and the behaviours to which one is inclined remains.

In respect of homosexuality the cause is not known and there is no generally accepted treatment, the individual may not be distressed (though some are) and is not rendered unable to function in the community, and so as a pragmatic matter no finding of mental illness is possible. But this does not change the observation that something is amiss.
 
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