Gay marriage : who cares?

[Nexttogodliness]

Why do we care about gay marriage? We do nothing active to stop divorcees from re marrying outside the church so why would we stop homosexual from marrying outside the church. Counterpoints are welcome. Just don’t spew hate about gay people. Thx

 

[bluelake]

Re: Gay marriage?
The Lord cares. It’s forbidden. See 1Cor.6:9-18, Rom.1:26-32.
Please note, there are other sins listed as well.

Jesus loves you.

bluelake

 

[MarianD]

I agree with the OP. We should care about gay marriage (from a Spiritual standpoint, I oppose it. From a legal standpoint, I support it), but instead of rallying so much against gay marriage, why don’t Catholics start focusing on our own silent killer—the divorce/annulment rates.

 

[bkayw]

“We do nothing active to stop divorcees from remarrying outside the church.”

All parishes require preCana classes & interviews with the priest to avoid divorce.

“Why do we care about gay marriage?”

Legalizing homosexual marriage normalizes the sexual acts of the various types groups in the homosexual lifestyle (male and female homosexuality, bisexuality, transexuality) and define the meaning of marriage.

Abstinence in the homosexual community is seen as a denial of homosexuality. People involved in homosexual lifestyles rarely pledge themselves to one partner.

lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/mar/09031007.html

"Now queer community leaders are admitting that gay sex is downright dangerous. But rather than speak about abstinence, they say they require the government to shift public health priorities away from the average population to the queer community, even though the statistics they provide demonstrate disproportionately higher spending on the gay community currently.

Here are some of the stats that they cite in their human rights complaint:

· Life expectancy of gay/bisexual men in Canada is 20 years less than the average; that is 55 years.
· GLB people commit suicide at rates from 2 to 13.9 times more often than average.
· GLB people have smoking rates 1.3 to 3 times higher than average.
· GLB people have rates of alcoholism 1.4 to 7 times higher than average.
· GLB people have rates of illicit drug use 1.6 to 19 times higher than average.
· GLB people show rates of depression 1.8 to 3 times higher than average.
· Gay and bisexual men (MSM) comprise 76.1% of AIDS cases.
· Gay and bisexual men (MSM) comprise 54% of new HIV infections each year.
· If one uses Statistics Canada figure of 1.7% of GLB becoming infected, that is 26 times higher than average.
· GLB people are at a higher risk for anal cancers."

 

[Veronica7978]

I don’t think it’s our business. If they want to be Catholic, they would not be engaging in homosexual activity. If they are not Catholic, it is their own business. Just like God gave us the choice to serve him or die, homosexuals have a choice too.

That is not to say homosexuals die, it is to say that any that do not come to the Father through the son will die.

With regards to what the government does and what people of other religions do, I believe Christ was clear on that - “give to Caesar what is his.”

 

[Veronica7978]

“We do nothing active to stop divorcees from remarrying outside the church.”

All parishes require preCana classes & interviews with the priest to avoid divorce.

With all due respect, I did not have counsel with a priest and my pre-Cana classes were not sufficient for me to understand the sacrament fully. The job being done is not good enough.

 

[Veronica7978]

"Now queer community leaders are admitting that gay sex is downright dangerous. But rather than speak about abstinence, they say they require the government to shift public health priorities away from the average population to the **queer **community, even though the statistics they provide demonstrate disproportionately higher spending on the gay community currently.

I don’t know if it’s ok to call people “queer.” I’ve never heard that term being used in a good way. Enlighten me if I’m wrong. If I’m right, this should be removed immediately.

 

[bkayw]

"We should care about gay marriage (from a Spiritual standpoint, I oppose it. From a legal standpoint, I support it),"

Your comment is against the teaching of the Church on homosexual marriage:

Pope Benedict wrote, “In those situations where homosexual unions have been legally recognized or have been given the legal status and rights belonging to marriage, **clear and emphatic opposition is a duty.” **

“One must refrain from any kind of formal cooperation in the enactment or application of such gravely unjust laws and, as far as possible, from material cooperation on the level of their application. In this area, everyone can exercise the right to conscientious objection.”

Pope Benedict’s Doctrinal document Considerations Regarding Proposals to Give Legal Recognition to Unions between Homosexual Persons, July 31, 2003

 

[bkayw]

Homosexuals routinely refer to themselves as queer.

The Catholic author of the news article was at one time involved in homosexual relationships.

 

[Veronica7978]

Homosexuals routinely refer to themselves as queer.

The Catholic author of the news article was at one time involved in homosexual relationships.

I think homosexuals have taken that word on in order to bring it’s negative connotations down; however, I do not think that non-homosexuals using that term is in good faith.

 

[mdgspencer]

According to the Catechism of the Catholic Church, homosexual acts are acts of grave depravity, and they are never to be approved. See
www.catholic.com/thisrock/1994/9407fea1sb1.asp
I am posting this simply to explain why Catholics have reacted to gay marriage as they have.

Why do we care about gay marriage? We do nothing active to stop divorcees from re marrying outside the church so why would we stop homosexual from marrying outside the church. Counterpoints are welcome. Just don’t spew hate about gay people. Thx

 

[bkayw]

When will homosexual marriage concern you ?

Will it concern you when your children, grandchild and great grandchild are taught in public schools that the sexual acts of homosexuals are normal and that bisexuality is normal?

When speech against homosexual sex acts are classified as “hate speech”?

Is it a concern when, " Gay and bisexual men (MSM) comprise 76.1% of AIDS cases"?

Or when your children, grandchild, etc. begin dating within a society that approves of homosexuality and bisexuality?

 

[Veronica7978]

When will homosexual marriage concern you ?

Will it concern you when your children, grandchild and great grandchild are taught in public schools that the sexual acts of homosexuals are normal and that bisexuality is normal?

When speech against homosexual sex acts are classified as “hate speech”?

Is it a concern when, " Gay and bisexual men (MSM) comprise 76.1% of AIDS cases"?

Or when your children, grandchild, etc. begin dating within a society that approves of homosexuality and bisexuality?

It won’t concern me because my kid is Catholic. He has the best foundation and a clear moral compass.

Further, you cannot force people not to sin. They have a choice given to them by God.

In the words of St. Therese - Do not set yourself up as Judge - that is God’s right alone. Your only mission is to be an angel of peace.

 

[bkayw]

You think it’s “judging” homosexuals to protest gay marriage and noncelibate same sex attraction?

Are you saying you wouldn’t judge if your compassionate Catholic son, began dating a bisexual girl?

 

[discovery191]

Lord Jesus through the medium of the holy spirit guide our thoughts words and deeds towards that which we do not understand

 

[mdgspencer]

The question isn’t whether we can force people not to sin, but about legalizing gay marriage, which we can prevent.
I read with interest your words that St. Teresa said to never judge, and no doubt there is some truth in what you say. However, I recall St. Therese praying for a murderer who was going to be executed. She didn’t know him, except from the newspapers. She prayed that he repent–and he did at the very last hour. and she knew that it was because of her prayers. But did she ever think she could not judge that what he did was a sin? Instead she prayed for his repentance.

It won’t concern me because my kid is Catholic. He has the best foundation and a clear moral compass.

Further, you cannot force people not to sin. They have a choice given to them by God.

In the words of St. Therese - Do not set yourself up as Judge - that is God’s right alone. Your only mission is to be an angel of peace.

 

[Veronica7978]

You think it’s “judging” homosexuals to protest gay marriage and noncelibate same sex attraction?

Are you saying you wouldn’t judge if your compassionate Catholic son, began dating a bisexual girl?

The words are not mine, they are the words of Saint Therese, a doctor of the church.

Also, there is a difference between kind/gentle guidance and judgement. One offers peace and opens communication; the other turns people further from God.

 

[Veronica7978]

The question isn’t whether we can force people not to sin, but about legalizing gay marriage, which we can prevent.
I read with interest your words that St. Teresa said to never judge, and no doubt there is some truth in what you say. However, I recall St. Therese praying for a murderer who was going to be executed. She didn’t know him, except from the newspapers. She prayed that he repent–and he did at the very last hour. and she knew that it was because of her prayers. But did she ever think she could not judge that what he did was a sin? Instead she prayed for his repentance.

Thank you Jesus she prayed for a sinner without judging. If she had taking time to judge, she wouldn’t have prayed.

 

[illmatic]

OP makes a salient point about civil weddings being possible for straight couples and not homosexual ones. It doesn’t make sense to be campaigning in particular against gay marriages and not non-church weddings across the board. No wonder there’s such a bad ‘anti-gay’ attitude amongst Catholics.

 

[Touchstone]

When will homosexual marriage concern you ?

Will it concern you when your children, grandchild and great grandchild are taught in public schools that the sexual acts of homosexuals are normal and that bisexuality is normal?

When speech against homosexual sex acts are classified as “hate speech”?

If you are concerned about your liberties, and your free speech, you are doing serious harm to your own liberty interests, along with everyone else’s when you vote for politicians and laws the deny equal rights and liberty protections to homosexuals. If you seriously value your liberty, you will support that liberty, for everyone, as that is the fortress against your rights being infringed in the future.

If you suppose you can vote for the force of law to deny homosexuals equal under the law, and then expect your own equality under the law to be upheld, you’re being hypocritical, and self-defeating, for those you’ve denied freedom and equality to by your actions and votes will have every natural reason to return your evil back upon you, and deny you your rights. Kind of a “wanna play that way, Catholics? Let’s try your injustices out on you!”

Make no mistake. In my view, your free speech and homosexuals’ equality under the law should both be protected, fully and carefully. But a Catholic who votes for denying equality others just begs the system she abuses to abuse her too, one day.

Is it a concern when, " Gay and bisexual men (MSM) comprise 76.1% of AIDS cases"?

Or when your children, grandchild, etc. begin dating within a society that approves of homosexuality and bisexuality?

It’s not a concern for me. Hatred and bigotry against homosexuals, fueled in good part by Catholic teaching, is a much bigger problem than that. And even worse is the Catholic commitment to bigotry, translating their animus into legal injustice. The Catholic Church is an enemy of liberty and equal protection under the law on this, and that is a profound problem that should concern everyone.

(Note that that doesn’t mean you can’t have your immoral opinions about homosexuality, privately. But be decent enough to respect the liberty and rights of your fellow citizens.)

-TS