No I wouldn’t b/c A. It’s up to god, not me to judge ones character and B. Science has proving bisexuality and homosexuality are genetic. I often associate the whole " sinful gay" situation with the " sinful left handedness" situation in medeival timesYou think it’s “judging” homosexuals to protest gay marriage and noncelibate same sex attraction?
Are you saying you wouldn’t judge if your compassionate Catholic son, began dating a bisexual girl?
Agreed.I often associate the whole " sinful gay" situation with the " sinful left handedness" situation in medeival times
I would submit that most of the opposition to gay marriage is based on personal distaste of gays dressed up in theological rationale to look more respectable. The Prop 8 crowd insists, “no, it’s nothing personal against gays, but our faith is very clear on matters of marriage.” Taking them at their word, for the moment, I point out that their faith would also DEMAND equal attention to equal evils - ie marriage of divorcees, which is simply sanctioned adultery in church law, marriages between reproductively able couples who employ birth control, even sterilization.Why do we care about gay marriage? We do nothing active to stop divorcees from re marrying outside the church so why would we stop homosexual from marrying outside the church. Counterpoints are welcome. Just don’t spew hate about gay people. Thx
This post is thought-provoking and I have some more questions for people who are well versed in law.Why do we care about gay marriage? We do nothing active to stop divorcees from re marrying outside the church so why would we stop homosexual from marrying outside the church. Counterpoints are welcome. Just don’t spew hate about gay people. Thx
My answers are in bold. I have a son and I will make sure to teach him that some people are homosexuals and it is normal.When will homosexual marriage concern you ?
Will it concern you when your children, grandchild and great grandchild are taught in public schools that the sexual acts of homosexuals are normal and that bisexuality is normal?
**No
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When speech against homosexual sex acts are classified as “hate speech”?
Definitely not.
Is it a concern when, " Gay and bisexual men (MSM) comprise 76.1% of AIDS cases"?
**Not my concern. And I am sure that is an american statistic because most people in the world with aids are heterosexual.
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Or when your children, grandchild, etc. begin dating within a society that approves of homosexuality and bisexuality?
**No, that wouldn’t bother me at all. And to be honest our society already approves homosexuality and bisexuality. If they aren’t gay, then why would it matter if someone else was? I am pretty sure its not contagious. **
Do you think being Catholic is going to stop someone from being gay or something?It won’t concern me because my kid is Catholic. He has the best foundation and a clear moral compass.
Further, you cannot force people not to sin. They have a choice given to them by God.
In the words of St. Therese - Do not set yourself up as Judge - that is God’s right alone. Your only mission is to be an angel of peace.
lol, why would it matter if a guy dated a bisexual girl? I don’t understand how that would be a bad thing? Do you think she would turn him gay or something.You think it’s “judging” homosexuals to protest gay marriage and noncelibate same sex attraction?
Are you saying you wouldn’t judge if your compassionate Catholic son, began dating a bisexual girl?
You can prevent gay marriage, but you can’t prevent the sin of homosexual sex. And is the marriage even sinful, or just the act of consummating it? And if it is just the act of consummating it, whether the people are married or not doesn’t matter.The question isn’t whether we can force people not to sin, but about legalizing gay marriage, which we can prevent.
I read with interest your words that St. Teresa said to never judge, and no doubt there is some truth in what you say. However, I recall St. Therese praying for a murderer who was going to be executed. She didn’t know him, except from the newspapers. She prayed that he repent–and he did at the very last hour. and she knew that it was because of her prayers. But did she ever think she could not judge that what he did was a sin? Instead she prayed for his repentance.
Science hasn’t proven that bisexuality and homosexuality is genetic.No I wouldn’t b/c A. It’s up to god, not me to judge ones character and B. Science has proving bisexuality and homosexuality are genetic. I often associate the whole " sinful gay" situation with the " sinful left handedness" situation in medeival times
My understanding that it depends on the context. Some universities with “GLBT Studies” programs call them “Queer Studies” programsI don’t know if it’s ok to call people “queer.” I’ve never heard that term being used in a good way. Enlighten me if I’m wrong. If I’m right, this should be removed immediately.
Indeed, there are even some homosexuals social theorists such as Foucault or Paglia that claim the exact opposite.Science hasn’t proven that bisexuality and homosexuality is genetic.
Christ was asked if it was lawful to pay taxes.I don’t think it’s our business. If they want to be Catholic, they would not be engaging in homosexual activity. If they are not Catholic, it is their own business. Just like God gave us the choice to serve him or die, homosexuals have a choice too.
That is not to say homosexuals die, it is to say that any that do not come to the Father through the son will die.
With regards to what the government does and what people of other religions do, I believe Christ was clear on that - “give to Caesar what is his.”
I respectfully urge everyone who has had a similar experience to contact their Bishop. Little will be done just by posting on an internet forum.With all due respect, I did not have counsel with a priest and my pre-Cana classes were not sufficient for me to understand the sacrament fully. The job being done is not good enough.
This is not about judging but about Church teaching. And now, I think people should know what the other side of the coin is: any negative comments about homosexual acts is regarded as hate speech. So how will anyody’s kids give a clear answer about this when they are adults?It won’t concern me because my kid is Catholic. He has the best foundation and a clear moral compass.
Further, you cannot force people not to sin. They have a choice given to them by God.
In the words of St. Therese - Do not set yourself up as Judge - that is God’s right alone. Your only mission is to be an angel of peace.
There is no ‘anti-gay’ attitude among Catholics. It seems some people have no idea what the history of homosexuality is in this country.OP makes a salient point about civil weddings being possible for straight couples and not homosexual ones. It doesn’t make sense to be campaigning in particular against gay marriages and not non-church weddings across the board. No wonder there’s such a bad ‘anti-gay’ attitude amongst Catholics.
Dear Ed,Christ was asked if it was lawful to pay taxes.
There are two groups in this country: One that follows their own beliefs and those who understand the beliefs of their religion.
Everyone has one vote and vote as they see fit.
Have a look at what’s going on in Massachusetts right now:
massresistance.org/
So, Catholics should just say: Hey. What’s the big deal?
God bless,
Ed
Science has proven no such thing.No I wouldn’t b/c A. It’s up to god, not me to judge ones character and B. Science has proving bisexuality and homosexuality are genetic. I often associate the whole " sinful gay" situation with the " sinful left handedness" situation in medeival times
Since many heterosexual relationships are not monogamous, you make no point.The New York Times tells us that many gay couples who commit to each other are not monogamous. I mention this because some gay activists are attempting to portray gay marriage as 100% equal in every way to heterosexual marriage.
nytimes.com/2010/01/29/us/29sfmetro.html
God bless,
Ed
Once again, this type of argument is based on a serious lack of historical knowledge.I would submit that most of the opposition to gay marriage is based on personal distaste of gays dressed up in theological rationale to look more respectable. The Prop 8 crowd insists, “no, it’s nothing personal against gays, but our faith is very clear on matters of marriage.” Taking them at their word, for the moment, I point out that their faith would also DEMAND equal attention to equal evils - ie marriage of divorcees, which is simply sanctioned adultery in church law, marriages between reproductively able couples who employ birth control, even sterilization.
As the Christian conservatives are so fond of saying, you can’t pick and choose your beliefs. If your faith really demands crusades to bend civil law to your beliefs to defend the sanctity of marriage, you sign on for the whole crusade. The threat to “Christian marriage” posed by hetero people is vastly greater than that posed by gay people who would marry. At a minimum, you would expect to see equal attention to pass laws and constitutional amendments forbidding re-marriage, demanding good faith efforts to procreate etc. To my knowledge, not a dime has been raised or spent to “defend marriage” from non-gay assault.
When I point that out to them, then there’s a lot of hemming and hawing. “Well we couldn’t do those things, that would invade people’s privacy.” So some mortal sins don’t warrant government intrusion, only those sins that make us (oops, I mean God), feel really oogie…
How do you know homosexual behavior is normal? Is polyamory - multiple sex partners - normal? That’s been proposed in Canada right now.My answers are in bold. I have a son and I will make sure to teach him that some people are homosexuals and it is normal.
Some people are gay. That’s not the topic of this thread. The topic is gay marriage - a very specific subject.Do you think being Catholic is going to stop someone from being gay or something?