Gay Marriage

[gorillaking37]

The Bible states that marriage is between a man and a woman, but it also states that if a woman is raped, and she doesn’t marry her rapist, she is to be stoned to death. The Bible also states that we shouldn’t wear clothes of mixed fabrics, eat certain seafoods, shave our beards/cut our hair, and sacrifice animals. We no longer do any of these things, because they are old Testament law… so why don’t we allow gay marriage? It makes sense that marriage was to only be between a man and a woman thousands of years ago, when reproduction of humans was key; it was for survival. But so was the banning of eating certain seafoods - eating them could result in food poisoning and death. Now, we know how to better clean those animals, which is why we eat them… And now, we have more than enough people on Earth, so why can’t the Catholic Church recognize love as love, regardless of gender?

You could argue that marriage should only be between man and woman because they must reproduce in order to raise more Catholics, but personally I think that God would be more pleased by seeing the expression of love among humans.

 

[davidv]

The Bible states that marriage is between a man and a woman, but it also states that if a woman is raped, and she doesn’t marry her rapist, she is to be stoned to death. The Bible also states that we shouldn’t wear clothes of mixed fabrics, eat certain seafoods, shave our beards/cut our hair, and sacrifice animals. We no longer do any of these things, because they are old Testament law… so why don’t we allow gay marriage? It makes sense that marriage was to only be between a man and a woman thousands of years ago, when reproduction of humans was key; it was for survival. But so was the banning of eating certain seafoods - eating them could result in food poisoning and death. Now, we know how to better clean those animals, which is why we eat them… And now, we have more than enough people on Earth, so why can’t the Catholic Church recognize love as love, regardless of gender?

You could argue that marriage should only be between man and woman because they must reproduce in order to raise more Catholics, but personally I think that God would be more pleased by seeing the expression of love among humans.

It is clear from Scripture and Church teaching that marriage is intended by God to be the union of one man and one woman for the purpose of child rearing and the unity of spouses.

 

[Rau]

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The Bible states that marriage is between a man and a woman, but it also states that if a woman is raped, and she doesn’t marry her rapist, she is to be stoned to death. The Bible also states that we shouldn’t wear clothes of mixed fabrics, eat certain seafoods, shave our beards/cut our hair, and sacrifice animals. We no longer do any of these things, because they are old Testament law… so why don’t we allow gay marriage? It makes sense that marriage was to only be between a man and a woman thousands of years ago, when reproduction of humans was key; it was for survival. But so was the banning of eating certain seafoods - eating them could result in food poisoning and death. Now, we know how to better clean those animals, which is why we eat them… And now, we have more than enough people on Earth, so why can’t the Catholic Church recognize love as love, regardless of gender?

You could argue that marriage should only be between man and woman because they must reproduce in order to raise more Catholics, but personally I think that God would be more pleased by seeing the expression of love among humans.

What was true about the nature and biology of man thousands of years ago is still true today. Man was made for woman and vice versa.

Do you see any merit or logic in the sexual relationship of 2 men?

 

[edwest2]

We are to follow Church teaching which is based on the reality of our bodies, male and female.

vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_20030731_homosexual-unions_en.html

Ed

 

[Zachary]

The Bible states that marriage is between a man and a woman, but it also states that if a woman is raped, and she doesn’t marry her rapist, she is to be stoned to death. The Bible also states that we shouldn’t wear clothes of mixed fabrics, eat certain seafoods, shave our beards/cut our hair, and sacrifice animals. We no longer do any of these things, because they are old Testament law… so why don’t we allow gay marriage? It makes sense that marriage was to only be between a man and a woman thousands of years ago, when reproduction of humans was key; it was for survival. But so was the banning of eating certain seafoods - eating them could result in food poisoning and death. Now, we know how to better clean those animals, which is why we eat them… And now, we have more than enough people on Earth, so why can’t the Catholic Church recognize love as love, regardless of gender?

You could argue that marriage should only be between man and woman because they must reproduce in order to raise more Catholics, but personally I think that God would be more pleased by seeing the expression of love among humans.

The human race was hardly an endangered species at the time. I would argue that God’s desire for man and woman to procreate is the same as it always has been.

Also, what’s sex got to do with love? Some of the same people who argue that sex is just a thing to do also argue that to love means to have sex.

Sex has an ordered purpose and belongs in a context that doesn’t change on a whim.

 

[JackieO123]

Stop obsessing over it. The Church will teach what it has always taught.

 

[St_Francis]

Many but not all the rules under the Old Covenant with the ancient Israelites were matters of discipline. Some were matters of natural law (the moral law written on our hearts).

Under the New Covenant Christ made, the rules of discipline were abrogated, but those dealing with natural law were not. Thus it is possible for us to now eat bacon, but not allow something which as a matter of its constituents cannot exist like marriage between two individuals whose nature precludes their reproducing.

 

[ignatius777]

The Bible states that marriage is between a man and a woman, but it also states that if a woman is raped, and she doesn’t marry her rapist, she is to be stoned to death. The Bible also states that we shouldn’t wear clothes of mixed fabrics, eat certain seafoods, shave our beards/cut our hair, and sacrifice animals. We no longer do any of these things, because they are old Testament law… so why don’t we allow gay marriage? It makes sense that marriage was to only be between a man and a woman thousands of years ago, when reproduction of humans was key; it was for survival. But so was the banning of eating certain seafoods - eating them could result in food poisoning and death. Now, we know how to better clean those animals, which is why we eat them… And now, we have more than enough people on Earth, so why can’t the Catholic Church recognize love as love, regardless of gender?

You could argue that marriage should only be between man and woman because they must reproduce in order to raise more Catholics, but personally I think that God would be more pleased by seeing the expression of love among humans.

We hope that all marriage is love but we know for certain that not all love is marriage. Dont conflate the 2 ideas.

 

[Zoltan_Cobalt]

You could argue that marriage should only be between man and woman because they must reproduce in order to raise more Catholics, but personally I think that God would be more pleased by seeing the expression of love among humans.

If that is what God really wanted…there would not be opposite sexes.

 

[KendraDZ1902]

Many but not all the rules under the Old Covenant with the ancient Israelites were matters of discipline. Some were matters of natural law (the moral law written on our hearts).

Under the New Covenant Christ made, the rules of discipline were abrogated, but those dealing with natural law were not. Thus it is possible for us to now eat bacon, but not allow something which as a matter of its constituents cannot exist like marriage between two individuals whose nature precludes their reproducing.

:yup:

 

[mommy_k]

We can’t pick and choose random readings in the bible to condone our own attitudes about things.People could do this all day with different results.

That’s why we look to the church for answers to things such as this.

The church teaches that, marriage is not the flippant union of two people. It is a holy sacrament that unites two souls, and there is a spousal covenant with God within the sacrament of marriage. This fortifies the couple to perfect each other’s souls with the goal of leading each other (and children) to heaven.

The church’s teaching is very clear-there are no grounds to consider gay unions to be in any way similar to this sacrament.

Perhaps the op should read some church’s documents on why marriage is a sacrament.

 

[dee_burk]

I think that God would be more pleased by seeing the expression of love among humans.

Dear friend, do not confuse the Churches authority to condemn and correct behaviors (such as SSM and sodomy) with the love the church has for that person and their eternal life. The Catholic church does not preach to hate these but to love and correct them. Its not this life the church is here to save, it is the eternal life after this one passes from us. By objecting to SSM we are trying to help them live by God’s will.

 

[benotagoat]

Dear friend, do not confuse the Churches authority to condemn and correct behaviors (such as SSM and sodomy) with the love the church has for that person and their eternal life. The Catholic church does not preach to hate these but to love and correct them. Its not this life the church is here to save, it is the eternal life after this one passes from us. By objecting to SSM we are trying to help them live by God’s will.

Good answer .Wise answer .

 

[esieffe]

Just when you thought it was safe to go back onto the boards… Not trying to hurt anyone’s feelings, just making light on the fact this thread keeps coming back…

 

[SuperLuigi]

Just when you thought it was safe to go back onto the boards… Not trying to hurt anyone’s feelings, just making light on the fact this thread keeps coming back…

If people are hurt by that, something is wrong. :whacky:

 

[OraLabora]

The Bible states that marriage is between a man and a woman, but it also states that if a woman is raped, and she doesn’t marry her rapist, she is to be stoned to death. The Bible also states that we shouldn’t wear clothes of mixed fabrics, eat certain seafoods, shave our beards/cut our hair, and sacrifice animals. We no longer do any of these things, because they are old Testament law… so why don’t we allow gay marriage? It makes sense that marriage was to only be between a man and a woman thousands of years ago, when reproduction of humans was key; it was for survival. But so was the banning of eating certain seafoods - eating them could result in food poisoning and death. Now, we know how to better clean those animals, which is why we eat them… And now, we have more than enough people on Earth, so why can’t the Catholic Church recognize love as love, regardless of gender?

You could argue that marriage should only be between man and woman because they must reproduce in order to raise more Catholics, but personally I think that God would be more pleased by seeing the expression of love among humans.

St. Paul mentions the immorality of same-sex relationships, so it is also in the New Testament. Then there’s the Natural Law: a marriage is consummated by the conjugal act (intercourse open to procreation), something that is physiologically impossible for a same-sex couple Thus, same-sex marriage is impossible. What is really happening is a pseudo-marriage or rather a “semblance” of a marriage, but not a marriage. Unless one wants to redefine the word “marriage” altogether.

26 For this reason God gave them up to degrading passions. Their women exchanged natural intercourse for unnatural, 27 and in the same way also the men, giving up natural intercourse with women, were consumed with passion for one another. Men committed shameless acts with men and received in their own persons the due penalty for their error.

(Romans 1)

As for your comment about love between humans: love does not always mean “having sex with”. My mother and her sister lived together for many years after my father died. They were not having sex with each other, but loved each other very much, cared for each other and in many other ways resembled a “couple”.

Sometimes, in fact, the way to show your love for someone for whom it is inappropriate to have a sexual relationship, is to not have sex with him or her.

Sexual love is something quite properly reserved for a husband and wife.

 

[katerinah1947]

Hi,

It seems to me the issue is this. The Catholic Church says that you cannot be actively gay, nor transgendered like I am. That seems to be the issue.

Science seems to say being gay is normal and being transgendered is also normal.

Thus to keep us out of the fight, the issues are now between the church and science.

Last year Medicare reviewed it’s decisons about my condition. They decided to change, as thier information was old and incomplete. They now say there is only one treatment for the condition they will now cover, and that treatment works. I am 67 now. The Government tells me, there is only one thing works for that. It is to transition.

In Romans 13 verses 1-5, it says to me, the church is to follow the governments laws. It also says I am to follow the governments laws. Wow!

This fight is between them now, as God is telling me there, I must follow the Government laws also.

LOVE and love,
…Katerina.,

 

[edwest2]

Just when you thought it was safe to go back onto the boards… Not trying to hurt anyone’s feelings, just making light on the fact this thread keeps coming back…

Night, Dawn and Day of the Undying Thread. ™

Ed

Commercial: “Nothing can stop it! It appears everywhere! You can run but there’s no place to hide!”

 

[Rau]

Hi,

It seems to me the issue is this. The Catholic Church says that you cannot be actively gay, nor transgendered like I am. That seems to be the issue.

Science seems to say being gay is normal and being transgendered is also normal.

Thus to keep us out of the fight, the issues are now between the church and science.

Last year Medicare reviewed it’s decisons about my condition. They decided to change, as thier information was old and incomplete. They now say there is only one treatment for the condition they will now cover, and that treatment works. I am 67 now. The Government tells me, there is only one thing works for that. It is to transition.

In Romans 13 verses 1-5, it says to me, the church is to follow the governments laws. It also says I am to follow the governments laws. Wow!

This fight is between them now, as God is telling me there, I must follow the Government laws also.

LOVE and love,
…Katerina.,

What do you understand by the expression “normal”? Were these things to be regarded as “abnormal” - what would that mean??

I suspect all we can glean “normal” - as the scientist use the term - to mean is that “it happens” - that some people “experience” (or “feel”) these conditions without doing anything to cause them, or without anybody else doing something to cause it. Perhaps things tend to be regarded as normal until some cause or trigger is uncovered.

I don’t see any conflict between Science and Church on the above. Science passes no ‘moral’ judgement on whether 2 men, or 2 women, engaging in sexual relations is OK.

I am not aware of any Government law that obliges you to any course of action. Perhaps you can clarify?

 

[katerinah1947]

What do you understand by the expression “normal”? Were these things to be regarded as “abnormal” - what would that mean??

I suspect all we can glean “normal” - as the scientist use the term - to mean is that “it happens” - that some people “experience” (or “feel”) these conditions without doing anything to cause them, or without anybody else doing something to cause it. Perhaps things tend to be regarded as normal until some cause or trigger is uncovered.

I don’t see any conflict between Science and Church on the above. Science passes no ‘moral’ judgement on whether 2 men, or 2 women, engaging in sexual relations is OK.

I am not aware of any Government law that obliges you to any course of action. Perhaps you can clarify?

Medicare in November of 2013, was asked to review it’s policies for my condition. I am transgendered. They did. I went to the doctor in roughly May of 2014. The first one required is for a full, in my case Psychiatric exam. The resuts were many. In short though, I am amazingly free of all mental pathologies, and and very Gender Dysphoric. Amazingly though, I presented my entire history to them. I was very surprised at some of their statements. I was also pleased with their proofs of their words, through corroborations.

The next step was to go to a medical doctor. I did that. They prescribed hormones, for me. I have asked, and it seems somehow hormones relieve Gender Dysphoria rather quickly, and the doctor said no one knows why.
The government is not only paying their share, but so am I, and I am following their rules on how to handle Gender Dysphoria.
LOVE and love,
…Katerina.,