Gay men can be Catholic priests if celibate-report

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*Says who? Quite the contrary has been repeatidly asserted by those in positions of ecclesial authority and who understand and appreciate the espousal relationship and covenantal vows of the of priestly ordination. *
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amarischuk said:
Please provide some evidence of this.
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At your request a sampling of source citations:

“Celibacy, he says, involves a sacrifice of a good for a greater good. But the homosexual person is not making such a sacrifice in taking a vow or promise of celibacy, because he is not attracted to marriage. The second difficulty is that the homosexual candidate cannot relate to the Church as spouse in the same way as a heterosexual candidate does. Even if the homosexual candidate is chaste, he lacks ‘certain important elements due to SSA,’ and this could be another reason for proper authority to have a prudent doubt about him.” (Msgr. Andrew Baker, from the staff of the Congregation for Bishops in Rome). (http://www.couragerc.org/SSA in the Seminary.htm)

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”D’Arcy, now bishop of the Fort Wayne-South Bend Diocese in Indiana, said the church must look for men whom children can respect – ''men who would be good husbands, men who would be good fathers," he said. In an interview after the service, D’Arcy acknowledged that his reference to ''good husbands . . . good fathers" conveyed his belief that only heterosexual men should be allowed to become priests. He said men in the priesthood must embrace celibacy.”
http://www.boston.com/news/local/ma…y_109021340 4/

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Three priests speak on ‘gay priest’ ban
http://www.renewamerica.us/columns/abbott/050922
As the Most Reverend Thomas Grumbleton, Auxiliary Bishop of Detroit wrote: …For this reason, it is absurd to suggest that the ordination of homosexual persons is invalid simply because of their sexual orientation."
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The Most Reverend Thomas Gumbleton (personally your spelling “Grumbleton” is a more apt characterization) is always pulled out of the hat of dissident clergy by the homosexual apologists to substantiate distorted and false claims.
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LOL, you decry my us of the APA and then you quote lifesite, renewamerica and narth? yes, those are unbiased organizations with strict scholarly presses

And your article by Abbot? He seems to have a slight obscession with the topic. But wow, I mean, three priests. When I was in China I met a few missionary priests (Maryknoll and SVDs) who I could quote about contraception. One Maryknoll priest who had spent 45 years in Taiwan even went so far as to say we should get rid of the Old Testament. I think the weight of the clerical population would disagree with those three priests but I think we both know that it isn’t subject to democracy.

The only site that I view as authoritative would be courage and you intentionally left out the BIG BRIGHT RED LETTERED INTRODUCTION to the article which you quoted which reads:
The following article was written by Fr. John Harvey in 2002. We are aware that this topic is currently being examined by the Vatican and the U.S. Bishops, and we will obediently submit to whatever decision is made.
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This is supposed to be honest and open discussion? I am finished arguing with the Catholic Forum’s version of Pravda. I suppose the truth is secondary to your attempts advance your bias.

We’ll just have to wait and see what the Vatican decides.

Adam
 
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amarischuk:
LOL, you decry my us of the APA and then you quote lifesite, renewamerica and narth? yes, those are unbiased organizations with strict scholarly presses

And your article by Abbot? He seems to have a slight obscession with the topic. But wow, I mean, three priests. When I was in China I met a few missionary priests (Maryknoll and SVDs) who I could quote about contraception. One Maryknoll priest who had spent 45 years in Taiwan even went so far as to say we should get rid of the Old Testament. I think the weight of the clerical population would disagree with those three priests but I think we both know that it isn’t subject to democracy.

The only site that I view as authoritative would be courage and you intentionally left out the BIG BRIGHT RED LETTERED INTRODUCTION to the article which you quoted which reads:

This is supposed to be honest and open discussion? I am finished arguing with the Catholic Forum’s version of Pravda. I suppose the truth is secondary to your attempts advance your bias.
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Interesting that your only response/rebuttal is to suggest bias, without any substantive source citation, regarding the authoritative and sound sources (as a “sampling”) that I cited. :hmmm:

Can you offer anything more substantive/credible than your personal opinion and innuendo?
We’ll just have to wait and see what the Vatican decides.
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This we agree on and I commend you on your show of assent to the Magesterium authority for the final say on this matter.
 
Has The Church done much to offer a cure for homosexual bondage ?
Some think it is due to father hunger manifested as seductive behavior towards men for power and comtrol and /anger/envy/unforgiveness for women …manifested as need to compete with them …
The remedy - a program of fasting , Eucharistic adoration, to recieve The Father love in The Eucharistic heart, rosary devotion and even some modifications in diet ( some people can be grain and daory sensitive , a diet low in these , to be relaced with a diet high in legumes can also help …)
Once homosexuality is proven to be reversible/curable , most would not have fear or unneeded pity for such…
 
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Has The Church done much to offer a cure for homosexual bondage ?
Some think it is due to father hunger manifested as seductive behavior towards men for power and control and /anger/envy/unforgiveness for women …manifested as need to compete with them …
The remedy - a program of fasting , Eucharistic adoration, to recieve The Father love in The Eucharistic heart, rosary devotion and even some modifications in diet ( some people can be grain and dairy sensitive , a diet low in these , to be relaced with a diet high in legumes can also help …)
Once homosexuality is proven to be reversible/curable , most would not have fear or unneeded pity for such…
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'If you have seen Me, you have seen The Father…'Me and the Father are One ’
 
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This discussion is beginning to stray from its original topic of Gay Men Can be Catholic Priests if Celibate-**Report. . Please return to the original topic under discussion. Thank you for your understanding and cooperation.
 
The Lord’s words of giving glory to the Father., by modeling true Father Love …as He did
Is St. John the beloved disciple, since as the youngest, he could relate to This Father love the best …

Priests too have to be raised to this supernatural fatherhood at heart …homosexuality , by its very nature is opposed to this God ordained role of the dignity of genders …and image of Fatherhood in men

Hence it has to be dealt with powerfully yet compassionately …
Glad The Church has taken a firm stand …
 
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