Gay Men's Chorus to perform in Catholic parish in San Francisco

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QwertyGirl said:
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Are you guys serious? A gay choir performing in a church sends the signal that the church approves of this lifestyle.
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I don’t know why you think this. I think all it says is it approves of them singing. It is a shame when people read too much into things.
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I suppose if this church sees itself as a secular concert venue, you would be right.
 
The fact that a group of men under the label of Gay will be singing in a Catholic church, I would think that they would see it as gaining ground toward changing the minds of Catholics in the pews. It’s not just a men’s singing group, they are not under a saint’s name, or an apostle name. They want to be unified under the gay banner, and that banner be hoisted within a Catholic church. I find it to be very strategic, especially at this time when Catholics in the pews are hurt, appalled, frustrated, and angry at the sexual abuse scandal in the church regarding homosexual activity of predators. There is indeed a battle going on against the plan of God for human sexuality and married life. Those who have worked against the plan of God have gained a lot of ground in a few short decades. We know there is constant pressure from the outside, and from within, for the church to put aside it’s teachings. Let us keep our wits about us!
 
Suppose there was a men’s choral group called Guardians of Chastity.
Do you think they are proclaiming something by gathering under that title?
Would you wonder why, if men wanted to get together to sing, they would need to have a name like that? Would you find it odd?
 
I did research on this group which is known as the GMCLA (Gay Men’s Chorus Los Angeles) and found their website which explains their mission:
To create musical experiences that strengthen our role as a leader among lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender (LGBT) and performing arts organizations, enrich our member-artists, support LGBT youth, challenge homophobia, and expose new communities to our message of equality.
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It seems my previous question (whether this group was in accordance with Church teaching) is answered.

My question now is. Why are they performing at a Catholic Church? Is it to “expose new communities to our [GMCLA] message of equality”?

What kind of equality are they hoping for?
 
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They got invited by the pastor because he wanted to build bridges.
 
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If I had to guess, I would say they are hoping to put an end to the kind of homophobia that exists because some people don’t understand that a huge part of any gay person is just like everyone else, gay or straight. I am not saying that anyone or everyone at any church is a homophobe, but if I was a betting gay person I would feel it might be a good place to go if I wanted to try to reach out to them and convince them gay people aren’t evil.

I think it is a nice gesture. Sharing a God-given talent is a lovely thing to do. It isn’t an aggressive act, by any means, and those who aren’t interested don’t need to attend.
 
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They got invited by the pastor because he wanted to build bridges.
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I suppose that is one way to build bridges. Though I hope this performance doesnt give anyone an idea that the Church affirms anything that is contrary of her teachings. We are to build bridges of reconciliation, but those bridges of reconciliation are only meant to reconcile a man’s soul with God and provide these people with the tools to live a Christ like life (tools the Church can provide).

In the words of Venerable Fulton Sheen:

Tolerance applies only to persons, but never to principles.
Intolerance applies only to principles, but never to persons.
 
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QwertyGirl said:
am not saying that anyone or everyone at any church is a homophobe, but if I was a betting gay person I would feel it might be a good place to go if I wanted to try to reach out to them and convince them gay people aren’t evil.
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But the idea that Catholics think gay people are evil, especially in our time, is hardly an idea that needs to be addressed. There are ignorant people, but anyone who is a Catholic that understands the Church on this matter should know that like everyone, we are all sinners in need of God, and that we are to help one another live out a Christ-like life
 
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On the one hand, I think it’s probably o.k. to have a gay choir sing in a church. But on the other hand, as much as I want to accept people, I also feel a bit put off because it feels like “Meeting them halfway,” usually ends up with us/me/Catholics going all the way while they maybe budge just a little.
 
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It seems my previous question (whether this group was in accordance with Church teaching) is answered.

My question now is. Why are they performing at a Catholic Church? Is it to “expose new communities to our [GMCLA] message of equality”?

What kind of equality are they hoping for?
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Perhaps the SF area can put together a men’s singing group called Guardians of Chastity and go to gay events. It would be nice to have a big banner too. Actually, this could be a great idea for right across the country.
 
PennyinCanada said:
Perhaps the SF area can put together a men’s singing group called Guardians of Chastity and go to gay events. It would be nice to have a big banner too. Actually, this could be a great idea for right across the country.
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Perhaps. Showing those who experience SSA that chastity is not wrong and that living a Christ-like life in accordance with Church teaching is actually fruitful and beautiful, is a good idea.
 
One should suppose that, say a ‘gay Christian choir group’ would feel equally offended if invited to perform for a " peaceful anti-Christ gathering". Not that they may all together judge these persons as more sinful or less human, but I mean, there must be other groups that could have been invited. No need to convince Catholics everyone is equal, for the Church already states that.
 
Catholic take on homosexuality doesn’t come from popular vote or majority opinion. For their belief’s embedded in the very seed of Catholicism. Apart from praying for the Lord to reveal to the “misunderstanding souls” that He himself ordains this act and sanctifies it, any other means of trying to convince Catholics that this is okay, is really hurtful, especially coming from anyone/ group aware of the degree of importance the church attaches to this, talk-less of the current blows she already faces with all the scandals.
 
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yep, for that the teacher might be the best, doesn’t mean all the students would get all “As”. back to the topic and maybe generally speaking, The LGBT community trying to gain “forceful” entry into the church’s creed is not simply a naive call for acceptance and equality, but something deeper. The Church as countless times stated the equality of everyone, yet a firmness in her beliefs. There are several other churches that could welcome not just a gay choir but a “gay stand” .
 
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We have to be careful in how we talk about these things. A lot of people already think gay people are not welcome in the Catholic Church.

Even if it’s not the most practical decision, I think we have more important things to be worrying about. At least these people are following Christ and sharing their talent in service of him.
 
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There Christian? Where does it say?
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Are they singing Christian songs?

I’m not sure. I’m asking.

But then I wonder what’s the point. Is the church just a physical location for the event?

Maybe it’s less controversial if it’s just an event open to the public more generically.
 
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