Gay Professor has my class convinced that Gay marriage is good!

[perez639]

I will tell you that this is a widespread problem. Many of the Professors and Teachers are not Catholic and many of the ones that are Catholic are very liberal. I don’t think that these Catholic Institutions have the proper guide lines in place for teachers to follow. Teachers from what I’ve been told by my children say pretty much what they want to. It’s shame to say this but don’t expect the truth about this matter or other moral questions to come from their places of learning, it has to come from home.
.Tony

Why don’t private Catholic schools want more professors of the faith? I thought that was the point of a religious school in the first place. I grew up in public schools and chose a Catholic college because I wanted to learn more about my faith. Instead, it has become a daily challenge in many of my classes and w/ my peers who are pretty much all liberal and think, “oh, it doesnt affect me, why should I care what gays do?” Instead, my college seems more concerned about supporting “diversity” even allowing gays to make clubs promoting their lifestyle so that others’ may be more accepting.

Peace be with you all,

Neomi

 

[perez639]

I think I would make him state the obvious… I would raise my hand and ask, “So Prof., do you believe that you know better than the Pope? Are you saying that the Pope is wrong and you are right… and that we should reject the Pope’s views on this issue… and instead, accept yours?”

I like this quote! Should I really be so bold as to say something like this though… I hate to be the one to upset or embarass a professor; it may turn on me and reflect in my grade. As much as I would like to believe that grades are based solely on grades, they aren’t. Then I think about my faith and soul and what’s more important? I love the feedback everyone is giving so keep it a coming!

Peace be with you all,

Neomi

 

[gardenswithkids]

…Not only is the professor stuffing his extremist beliefs down our throats about gay marriage but has 99% of the class convinced that it would do a lot of good for our country.

Well of course happy marriages would be good for our country. Marriage is the building block of society and ideally all marriages should be happy and g–Oh wait, your wrote gay marriage–you must mean homosexual, not gay as in “happy and carefree.”:banghead:

I want the word “gay” restored to it’s old meaning.

 

[yugnok]

I agree, I dont understand how this University can hire such a liberal and immoral professor. The problem is that it is not solely a problem with this one professor. If I report I could see this issue blowing up. My roommate also has a class where they bring in gays who make everyone feel guilty because they simply just “wanna be happy like everyone else and be entitled to the benefits of marriage.” She agrees that they deserve that right as well. Every where i go, it seems like everyone is against me. I would be very afraid to get things started w/ the dean but also know that something needs to be done.

Peace be with you all,

Neomi

It sounds like my experience in college, but I was in a public university. At orientation, they put the new students in a room where a gay guy led a discussion he asked if any of us would be uncomfortable if we ended up being assigned with a gay roommate. Those that raised their hands were told to move to the other side of the room. Then they were grilled by everyone there as to why they were such bigots. I was shocked and just kept my mouth shut and waited for the barrage to subside.

Being at a liberal school. I was pretty much alone where ever I went. Even at the student parish, people were the same way. Again I would say know your stuff. In your free time try to read up on how to respond to someone. I learned a lot of Theology that way and became a better Catholic because of it. Don’t go looking to pick a fight, but if you hear something that is way off the mark, gently say you don’t agree and give the reasons why. But don’t let it get turn into a fight. As soon as voices get raised, its time to stop arguing. There are some people you will know that you don’t even want to respond to because its like banging your head against a wall. Choose your battles. Try and find some like-minded friends. There may be some groups at Church were you can find some people that are on the same page as you. I ended up finding a few.

Thats my advice for being in such an atmosphere.

I wouldn’t worry too much about the Dean. I don’t see how any harm could come from writing a letter informing him/her as to whats going on. The only thing I could thing of is that your prof will find out and decide to lower your grade. Thats a risk.

Another thing if you are not ready get into it right now, you could always put your comments into the class evaluation at the end of the term.

 

[perez639]

Can you give a couple of examples of the rhetoric he uses to justify his moral relativism?

These are all examples that I have kept track in my notes of what my professor has mentioned and from the material we have had to read for homework, so that’s what I am going off of in telling you these things:

One that I will never forget was concerning his little bible study. He came to the conclusion that the bible states in many places that gayism is supported. He took the procreation to mean that anyone who can should!!! He was referring to lesbians here, that they too are called to be fertile and should go to sperm and ova banks to do so. I raised my hand and asked him to site these areas and of course he could not

Another point he brought up was that gays cohabitate anyway, so why not let them be married so children can see them as being married rather that just living together.

It will add stability to the community because gays wont have to make a stink about the simple rights they should be entitled to.

He also had the nerve to say that there really is nothing special of a family consisting of a husband and wife; just look at the divorce rates and the amount of heterosexuals who have premarital sex.

That its infair and unconstitutional that millions of Amaricans have been forbidden to marry.

“By banning same sex marriage would ensure that all same-sex couples with children raise their kids out of wedlock.”

The list goes on of the disturbing things I have heard not including the students responses to these things… Letme know what you all think.

Peace be with you all,

Neomi

 

[Scottgun]

Take a recording device to class. That way he can’t say you misinterpreted. The claim the Bible supports homosexuality is simply outlandish and irresponsible.

Scott

 

[perez639]

It’s the same at my university, supposedly “Catholic”, the profs are unbelievable, always bashing the church, unnecesary sexual comments, approving abortion, contraception, homosexuality, married/female clergy, you name it. This coming from the head of the religious studies department, as well as others.

Exactly my experience as well, Lucky you though, I still have 2 years left

 

[perez639]

As others said, write a note to the dean and/or the Pres. They may not even be aware of it. If they blow you off, you have done well, however I would still be inclined to contact alumni and the bishop.

Scott

I know that they are most certainly aware of what goes on at my institution. Even worse, they support these types of things and professors and clubs. I know of one person who had a similar experience and took it up to the dean and president. It came back to him that HE was discriminating and was going to be expelled for causing trouble. It even got to the Archbishop and Catholic lawyers were about to get involved then all charges were mysteriously dropped against the student. It’s shady stuff going on here.

Peace be with you all,

Neomi

 

[perez639]

I don’t understand why you think its a huge mistake to make the assumption its Catholic in name only. QUOTE]

I agree here, I had no idea that I would have the opposite experience. Perhaps I should have taken more care in differentiating what it means to be Catholic and how different universites regard it first. I wish I did now, but I am a junior and really cant transfer.

Peace be with you all,

Neomi

 

[tonyg]

Why don’t private Catholic schools want more professors of the faith? I thought that was the point of a religious school in the first place. I grew up in public schools and chose a Catholic college because I wanted to learn more about my faith. Instead, it has become a daily challenge in many of my classes and w/ my peers who are pretty much all liberal and think, “oh, it doesnt affect me, why should I care what gays do?” Instead, my college seems more concerned about supporting “diversity” even allowing gays to make clubs promoting their lifestyle so that others’ may be more accepting.

Peace be with you all,

Neomi

Neomi

My son seems to be going through the same thing you are.
I give him credit because he accepts this as a challenge to his Catholic faith that he loves so much. I believe that your generation will be the one to shore up the Catholic faith that my generation has all but turned it back on. God is raising up the new leaders of the Church at this very moment. People like you, my son, and every other young adult who is going through this trial will be given the grace by God to fight this battle on every front. God bless you, keep up the good fight!

Tony

 

[m134e5]

I have a son who is in his second year at a Catholic College in New York State and a daughter who is a junior in a Catholic High School in Connecticut. I will tell you that this is a widespread problem. Many of the Professors and Teachers are not Catholic and many of the ones that are Catholic are very liberal. I don’t think that these Catholic Institutions have the proper guide lines in place for teachers to follow. Teachers from what I’ve been told by my children say pretty much what they want to. It’s shame to say this but don’t expect the truth about this matter or other moral questions to come from their places of learning, it has to come from home.
Don’t give in to your Professors, arm yourself with the word of God. There are absolutes written in God’s word that even the most liberal Professors and Teachers cannot discredit or deny.

Tony

That is one (of three or four) reason I oppose Catholic education. I have known too many people who say that Catholic schools drove them away from the Church. I would rather send my kids to a school that cannot support any particular religion (which includes saying it teaches something it does not) than to a school that claims to be Catholic but teaches heresy.

 

[yugnok]

One that I will never forget was concerning his little bible study. He came to the conclusion that the bible states in many places that gayism is supported. He took the procreation to mean that anyone who can should!!! He was referring to lesbians here, that they too are called to be fertile and should go to sperm and ova banks to do so. I raised my hand and asked him to site these areas and of course he could not

OK wait just a minute. Is this a scripture class? What class is this?

 

[yugnok]

That is one (of three or four) reason I oppose Catholic education. I have known too many people who say that Catholic schools drove them away from the Church. I would rather send my kids to a school that cannot support any particular religion (which includes saying it teaches something it does not) than to a school that claims to be Catholic but teaches heresy.

I hear ya. My sister went to a Catholic school and became a Mormon. My other sister and I went to a very liberal public school and became stronger Catholics. Go figure.

There are a few good ones out there. But the sad state of Catholic education is just an indicator of the status of the Church in America–it is not healthy. Its a hard time to be a faithful Catholic.

Right now, I think we are seeing some positive reforms, especially in the seminaries. I just hope I live to see the day when the reforms come to fruition. I think it will get worse before it gets better, but it will get better.

 

[otjm]

That professor must be fired now. He has no business teaching at a Catholic University

Go to the administration and report him. If there is no results, go to the bishop where the university is located. He has total control of the university’s Catholic idenity.

Dissent must be eliminated from all levels of Catholic education.

You are obviously unaware of the status of Colleges and Universities. In the 1960’s they went to lay boards of directors and effectively became independent institutions. They are not part of the Catholic Church in the sense of any legal ties. Bishops have absolutely no authority over them. Going to the bishop about what a teacher is teaching is one of the most useless exercises one can engage in. If one is upset about that, they should go to the school administration; if they don’t get satisfaction there they can try the Baord of Directors; if they don’t get satisfaction there they can change schools, and that is about the sum of what they can do. Further, if a professor has tenure, there often is not a lot the school can do.

Scools are independent corporations, and the bishop has no control over whether or not they call themselves Catholic.

Further, there can be some excellent professors, true to the Magisterium, at a University wherein there is one or more professors who are not. Judging the entire school by one or even a handful of professors simply shows ignorance of what Universities are.

 

[yugnok]

You are obviously unaware of the status of Colleges and Universities. In the 1960’s they went to lay boards of directors and effectively became independent institutions. They are not part of the Catholic Church in the sense of any legal ties.** Bishops have absolutely no authority over them. ** Going to the bishop about what a teacher is teaching is one of the most useless exercises one can engage in. If one is upset about that, they should go to the school administration; if they don’t get satisfaction there they can try the Baord of Directors; if they don’t get satisfaction there they can change schools, and that is about the sum of what they can do. Further, if a professor has tenure, there often is not a lot the school can do.

Scools are independent corporations, and the bishop has no control over whether or not they call themselves Catholic.

Further, there can be some excellent professors, true to the Magisterium, at a University wherein there is one or more professors who are not. Judging the entire school by one or even a handful of professors simply shows ignorance of what Universities are.

I don’t think that is true based on what I have learned in cannon law.

Canon Law governs all institutions bearing the Catholic name. As I understand it (and I stand to be corrected), the bishop has authority over all Catholic institutions within his competency, or his area jurisdiction or region.

I’m not a canon lawyer but I suspect, that in some cases, the only thing they can do, based on how educational institutions are structured, is remove the Catholic name from institutions that are catholic in name only and refuse to reform. The possibility of removing the Catholic name could be a powerful bartering chip in trying to influence reform. Bishops don’t seem willing to do that. The same goes for hospitals. I don’t envy their (the bishops) position.

Ya know, perhaps there is more they can do, such as make Theology teachers take an oath of fidelity to the Church or appoint certain members to administrate the school. I don’t know.

Informing a bishop may do nothing other than let them know whats going on in their diocese. A Bishop might appreciate such information but feel helpless to do anything about it.

But as far as I know Bishops are the last authority on instituions bearing the Catholic name within their territory.

 

[tonyg]

That is one (of three or four) reason I oppose Catholic education. I have known too many people who say that Catholic schools drove them away from the Church. I would rather send my kids to a school that cannot support any particular religion (which includes saying it teaches something it does not) than to a school that claims to be Catholic but teaches heresy.

Your missing the point. The Catholic Church and the vast majority of the priests, nuns, educators etc. are faithful and dedicated to their respective vocations. The problem is that their are a hand full in every category that insist on pushing their own personal and liberal views. The Public schools are a breeding ground for indoctrination on a much larger scale then the Private and Catholic schools. Again, even in the Public schools their are instructors etc. who are very dedicated and do not use their positions to push personal views. Some of the finest people I know work in the piblic schools.

 

[decn2b]

I am disgusted by one of my classes at a Catholic University.
nogaymarriage.com/tenarguments.asp

Peace be with you all,

Neomi

The sad thing is you are spending so much money for an education that you could get from a Public University. I am not anti-Catholic school at all. But I do think that people are tossing thier money away under the assumption that going to a Catholic univeristy somehow helps a Catholic become a better Catholic. Listening to a professor plug gay marriage is much more dangerous at a Catholic School than that same professor saying the exact same things at a public U. If there moral differences between a Public U and a Catholic U are minimal then the student can at least save considerable money and not be under the assumption that Catholic shcools are represenative of what the church teaches. Many people think that Private Colleges look better on a Resume’. Well I have a brother who tosses the resume’s of ND grads into the shredder the minute one hits his desk. There are some GREAT catholic shcools out there but there are also some very morally corrupt universities as well. When a catholic University does not honor Mandatum then a Catholic in good conscience you consider avoiding that school.

 

[mercygate]

Thank you for your support LittleDeb, I will put it in the Lord’s hands but continue to stand up for our faith.

Peace Be with you all,

Neomi

You are amazing.

Do not grandstand in class. Send a dispassionate (DISPASSIONATE) note to the professor questioning why he does not clearly present a fair and throroughgoing view of the matter from the Catholic point of view.

Mention any deviation from the course description in the catalog.

Close with something like: “Perhaps we have not yet come to the point in the curriculum where you present the Catholic view and my observation is premature.”

cc the department chair and the college President as well as the regional Provincial if this college is run by an order.

Do NOT accuse this guy of anything. Just mention what has been taught and your hope that the rest of the story will soon emerge.

You might express concern that students are being encouraged to embrace uncritically views that directly contradict their faith and that in a Catholic college, the minimum expectation ought to be the presentation of the Catholic position: failing to do so would be false adverstising.

Offer to meet with him and if he takes you up on it, bring a friend to corroborate your witness.

If the letter is more than 1 page: cut it down.

 

[bones_IV]

To this insanity I ask our Lord, “How much longer?”

 

[LindaS]

Know that any Catholic institution ultimately is the responsibility of the local Bishop.

Not quite right. Any Catholic institution that is run by a Religious order is not subject to the Diocese; they are subject to the order.

Peace,
Linda