Gay Professor has my class convinced that Gay marriage is good!

[lizaanne]

This is a tiny little nit - but I am guessing that calling this person “professor” is probably heaping far more qualification on him than is appropriate. My guess is that he is someone who has accepted a teaching position with the college, but I could be totally off base and he truly is a credentialed professor.

Not that I guess it matters, but but it bugs me when people are made to appear to be more than they truly are.

Ok - sorry for the slight high-jack.

~Liza

 

[Rebecca_New]

Being homosexual is not a sin-having sexual relations with the same sex is a sin. I have great compassion for this type of individual because his or her cross is so obvious. Why would God allow someone to be attracted to the same sex if it were a sin. It is not the individuals choice-it is just the way they feel. But it is so obvious, and I have to stop and say that just because a person is obviously gay does not mean that they are giving into their attractions. If someone is handicapped, you can say that this is their cross to bear, but there is no sin involved. Whereas, the person who is SSA could sin unless he/she is willing to be chaste their whole life. What we need is for brave homosexuals to come forth and state, that they are SSA and know that they can still be sanctified Christians if they lead a chaste life. I have never heard of anyone forming a support group for those type of righteous people-and I’m sure there are some-somewhere. All we have heard from is the professor type person who is not righteous in his claims, will not ever be right, no matter how much he wills it to be-IT IS NOT GOD’S WILL. The professor is actually making it more difficult for anyone who is SSA to lead a righteous life.

 

[yugnok]

Not quite right. Any Catholic institution that is run by a Religious order is not subject to the Diocese; they are subject to the order.

Peace,
Linda

Yes but even then because the bishop has some authority over the religious orders in his diocese. He can’t micromanage and intervene in their internal workings, but the religious order needs his permission to even be in his diocese in the first place. And as I understand, he could also remove them from his diocese if they were up to something bad. I don’t have my canon law book in front of me, but I’m pretty sure thats right.

 

[fix]

These are all examples that I have kept track in my notes of what my professor has mentioned and from the material we have had to read for homework, so that’s what I am going off of in telling you these things:

One that I will never forget was concerning his little bible study. He came to the conclusion that the bible states in many places that gayism is supported. He took the procreation to mean that anyone who can should!!! He was referring to lesbians here, that they too are called to be fertile and should go to sperm and ova banks to do so. I raised my hand and asked him to site these areas and of course he could not

Another point he brought up was that gays cohabitate anyway, so why not let them be married so children can see them as being married rather that just living together.

It will add stability to the community because gays wont have to make a stink about the simple rights they should be entitled to.

He also had the nerve to say that there really is nothing special of a family consisting of a husband and wife; just look at the divorce rates and the amount of heterosexuals who have premarital sex.

That its infair and unconstitutional that millions of Amaricans have been forbidden to marry.

“By banning same sex marriage would ensure that all same-sex couples with children raise their kids out of wedlock.”

The list goes on of the disturbing things I have heard not including the students responses to these things… Letme know what you all think.

Peace be with you all,

Neomi

Like all academics he must have citations and authorities to quote? Who is his authority or what philosophical system does he subscribe to? If you want to understand and try to refute these views it would help to discern why he believes as he does.

 

[perez639]

It sounds like my experience in college, but I was in a public university. At orientation, they put the new students in a room where a gay guy led a discussion he asked if any of us would be uncomfortable if we ended up being assigned with a gay roommate. Those that raised their hands were told to move to the other side of the room. Then they were grilled by everyone there as to why they were such bigots. I was shocked and just kept my mouth shut and waited for the barrage to subside.

WOW, yea this is a crazy world we live in! I cant believe this happened to you…

 

[perez639]

Take a recording device to class.

Scott

This is a GREAT idea I had not thought of. Thank you,

Peace be with you all,

Neomi

 

[perez639]

Neomi

My son seems to be going through the same thing you are.
I give him credit because he accepts this as a challenge to his Catholic faith that he loves so much. I believe that your generation will be the one to shore up the Catholic faith that my generation has all but turned it back on. God is raising up the new leaders of the Church at this very moment. People like you, my son, and every other young adult who is going through this trial will be given the grace by God to fight this battle on every front. God bless you, keep up the good fight!

Tony

There aren’t many willing to fight. I ask all to pray for students across the country who still give a darn about their faith in the college environment!!

Peace be with you all,

Neomi

 

[Chancellare]

There is too much focus on academic freedom and liberalism in this country without looking after the moral and spiritual facets of a well-rounded edcuation. The students who manage to stay well balanced and keep their moral compass in place are becoming the minority.

I suggest you seek out like minded Catholics in your school and form a prayer group or study group. If you have a chaplain(as a catholic school you should), you can seek his assistance to organize your group. There is a saying: “It takes a village to raise a child” and it applies to education.

 

[tonyg]

There is too much focus on academic freedom and liberalism in this country without looking after the moral and spiritual facets of a well-rounded edcuation. The students who manage to stay well balanced and keep their moral compass in place are becoming the minority.

I suggest you seek out like minded Catholics in your school and form a prayer group or study group. If you have a chaplain(as a catholic school you should), you can seek his assistance to organize your group. There is a saying: “It takes a village to raise a child” and it applies to education.

My mother and father raised ten children with love and guidance not a village. If my memory serves me correctly it was Hillary who said that. People like Hillary and their twisted way of thinking may be one reason why this is allowed.

 

[cargopilot]

You are amazing.

Do not grandstand in class. Send a dispassionate (DISPASSIONATE) note to the professor questioning why he does not clearly present a fair and throroughgoing view of the matter from the Catholic point of view.

Mention any deviation from the course description in the catalog.

Close with something like: “Perhaps we have not yet come to the point in the curriculum where you present the Catholic view and my observation is premature.”

cc the department chair and the college President as well as the regional Provincial if this college is run by an order.

Do NOT accuse this guy of anything. Just mention what has been taught and your hope that the rest of the story will soon emerge.

You might express concern that students are being encouraged to embrace uncritically views that directly contradict their faith and that in a Catholic college, the minimum expectation ought to be the presentation of the Catholic position: failing to do so would be false adverstising.

Offer to meet with him and if he takes you up on it, bring a friend to corroborate your witness.

If the letter is more than 1 page: cut it down.

I believe this is the best advise yet, but…I might wait.

My concern is timing and your grades. Not that a liberal homosexual would ever consider revenge against a student for taking action to squelch his vocal support of immorality, but there has to be at least a slight possibility that your GPA could suffer by taking this one to task. I believe it’s possible that the problem you describe is widespread and systemic. Protesting now could make your college career much more challenging.

Perhaps, you could offer your suffering up to God. Two years will pass more quickly than you can imagine. It doesn’t sound as though our professor in question is going to shake your faith, so what if you just toughed it out? When you’re clenching your diploma, send the reports.

 

[mercygate]

I believe this is the best advise yet, but…I might wait.

My concern is timing and your grades. Not that a liberal homosexual would ever consider revenge against a student for taking action to squelch his vocal support of immorality, but there has to be at least a slight possibility that your GPA could suffer by taking this one to task. I believe it’s possible that the problem you describe is widespread and systemic. Protesting now could make your college career much more challenging.

Perhaps, you could offer your suffering up to God. Two years will pass more quickly than you can imagine. It doesn’t sound as though our professor in question is going to shake your faith, so what if you just toughed it out? When you’re clenching your diploma, send the reports.

I agree that caution is MANDATORY. But it would be critical to get the professor’s response to “when are we going to hear the rest of the story?” – and get it in writing if possible. If that is not possible, after a private meeting with the professor, send him an e-mail: “Just to be sure I understood you this morning, this is a summary of our conversation . . .”

Use as few words as possible. No emotions. Once more for the record: No emotions – just the facts. The case will be stronger if the advertised course content in the bulletin/catalog of the college does not match the syllabus or if the syllabus DOES match the catalog, if the classroom content does not match the syllabus.

Point: be sure your case holds water. Get some serious guidance before walking into this in ANY way. Anything you write or say can and will be used against you in evidence.

 

[cargopilot]

I’ve got to admit…you’re good. Clearly, you’ve flown the pattern a few times. I do like the idea of keeping it low-key, one-on-one and leaving the emotion at the door. My guess is our gay professor won’t.

Perhaps I presume too much. I presume that there ain’t no rest of the story. This professor’s adjenda is clear. He is diametrically opposed to the teachings to the Church and wishes to change them by ‘teaching’ these kids. I may be wrong, but I’m assuming this class is one of those 2000-level, basket-weaving courses that aren’t crucial to the major, so why bother.

I agree that caution is MANDATORY. But it would be critical to get the professor’s response to “when are we going to hear the rest of the story?” – and get it in writing if possible. If that is not possible, after a private meeting with the professor, send him an e-mail: “Just to be sure I understood you this morning, this is a summary of our conversation . . .”

Use as few words as possible. No emotions. Once more for the record: No emotions – just the facts. The case will be stronger if the advertised course content in the bulletin/catalog of the college does not match the syllabus or if the syllabus DOES match the catalog, if the classroom content does not match the syllabus.

Point: be sure your case holds water. Get some serious guidance before walking into this in ANY way. Anything you write or say can and will be used against you in evidence.

 

[Chancellare]

My mother and father raised ten children with love and guidance not a village. If my memory serves me correctly it was Hillary who said that. People like Hillary and their twisted way of thinking may be one reason why this is allowed.

You probably need to understand more what that means. And you should know Hillary did not invent it.

 

[tonyg]

You probably need to understand more what that means. And you should know Hillary did not invent it.

Hillary may not have invented it but she has said it. Maybe you should explain what you mean because I have a pretty good idea of what it means.

 

[perez639]

Judging the entire school by one or even a handful of professors simply shows ignorance of what Universities are.

My experience has not simply been with one professor…Myself and many of my close friends are aware of many teaching anti-Catholic material or have professors who hate the religion!!! I wish it were only a few, but it most certainly is a widespread problem across the board at my institution. The story I have have shared w/ everyone on this forum is only one example. It disturbs me more than others’ because of how the class is reacting. The majority are Catholic and disagree w/ the church on its view on gay marriage! In my opinion, this should not be happening!!

Peace be with you,

Neomi

 

[perez639]

OK wait just a minute. Is this a scripture class? What class is this?

The class is social problems.

 

[perez639]

Listening to a professor plug gay marriage is much more dangerous at a Catholic School than that same professor saying the exact same things at a public U.

I agree that it is extremely damaging especially to Catholics who are questioning their faith.

Many people think that Private Colleges look better on a Resume’. Well I have a brother who tosses the resume’s of ND grads into the shredder the minute one hits his desk.

Hmm, I have a sister currently attending Notre Dame and her experience has been much better than mine thus far. I don’t think its fair to throw out a resume based on the school attended rather than the person’s resume itself.

Peace be with you all,

Neomi

 

[perez639]

The professor is actually making it more difficult for anyone who is SSA to lead a righteous life.

Your post adds an excellent point I too had not even thought of. The influence of professors is going to be grave if there are any individuals living with SSA sitting in a class like mine. I for one am not aware of any…

Peace be with you all,

Neomi

 

[perez639]

Like all academics he must have citations and authorities to quote? Who is his authority or what philosophical system does he subscribe to? If you want to understand and try to refute these views it would help to discern why he believes as he does.

He goes off of his personal experiences and never quotes. Honestly, his information 99% of te time is a bunch of balony. The problem is that the students can’t get enough of what he has to say so no one questions him. I have asked during class before where he gets all his information from and he gives wishy-washy answers like “I don’t have my references on me” etc.

Peace be with you all,

Neomi

 

[perez639]

I believe this is the best advise yet, but…I might wait.

Protesting now could make your college career much more challenging.

Perhaps, you could offer your suffering up to God. Two years will pass more quickly than you can imagine. It doesn’t sound as though our professor in question is going to shake your faith, so what if you just toughed it out? When you’re clenching your diploma, send the reports.

This has all been a concern as well, I worry that protesting and going to the president or dean will greatly affect my studies. This is only an elective class, but it still pains me to see what we are being taught. I feel like I should do smtg more and have thought about fighting the syetem when I graduate, but who will belive me. I would be accused of discriminating or lying or I can’t begin to imagine what else…

Peacebe with you all,

Neomi