Gay sibling hurt by my choice to join the Catholic Church

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What should I do? I feel like I’m hurting my sibling who is gay. He has made mention of same sex marriage not being allowed in the RC church and although he is trying to get a laugh I can tell that he is upset about the church’s teaching on this issue. I have no desire to protest gay marriage or gay adoption anywhere in public or on Facebook by “liking” any obvious cause. I still love my brother and would love any of his gay friends or boyfriends. On Easter I made sure to ask him about a friend of his’ upcoming same-sex wedding and told him to have a good time. I think he was upset greatly last year when Chick FA the restaurant ended up having a record day in sales and lines (my other hetero brother posted photos of the himself in line on FB, and I chose not to support CFA that day, although we do continue to eat there and I love shopping and eating at other Christian places, I’m not anti-Islam or anti-anything else). I think the CEO had made mention of same sex marriage not being “right” and my gay brother takes that to mean that the CEO is homophobic. Now I’m certainly not homophobic but I do believe in traditional marriage.

How do I support trad marriage without offending my brother? Can I say congrats or looks like a fun party on photos from a same-sex wedding on FB? How can I explain the reasons behind the Church’s position if he puts me on the spot?

Please excuse the run-on sentences: it’s a bad habit.
 
I have been going with the easy route. I look but don’t comment. I think eventually he may force me into a comment or question me in person which is so difficult for me. I’m new to Catholicism and don’t debate well.
 
What should I do? I feel like I’m hurting my sibling who is gay. He has made mention of same sex marriage not being allowed in the RC church and although he is trying to get a laugh I can tell that he is upset about the church’s teaching on this issue. I have no desire to protest gay marriage or gay adoption anywhere in public or on Facebook by “liking” any obvious cause. I still love my brother and would love any of his gay friends or boyfriends. On Easter I made sure to ask him about a friend of his’ upcoming same-sex wedding and told him to have a good time. I think he was upset greatly last year when Chick FA the restaurant ended up having a record day in sales and lines (my other hetero brother posted photos of the himself in line on FB, and I chose not to support CFA that day, although we do continue to eat there and I love shopping and eating at other Christian places, I’m not anti-Islam or anti-anything else). I think the CEO had made mention of same sex marriage not being “right” and my gay brother takes that to mean that the CEO is homophobic. Now I’m certainly not homophobic but I do believe in traditional marriage.

How do I support trad marriage without offending my brother? Can I say congrats or looks like a fun party on photos from a same-sex wedding on FB? How can I explain the reasons behind the Church’s position if he puts me on the spot?

Please excuse the run-on sentences: it’s a bad habit.
You could just relax and focus on being a good and admirable source of well being. There would be a difference in encouraging and promoting something and being mature about an idea, for a mating connection with the same gender. Even apart from all religion it would not be something to do with well being, the anti-science mating understanding is something which is known to be a difficult thing . For myself and I have a few brothers as well, I would not be cruel at all, but there is no way I would listen to any of the content in the relationship at all. It really is only connected to religion in religions reflecting attributes in the sanctity for life and the important well being. I have a neighbor and he is a bit strange, he tried introducing this topic a few times, I replied usually, well that is another world which I know nothing about, have no understandings of it whatsoever and therefore you’ll need to talk to someone else about it because it has nothing to do with me or anything in the world I know. About oh 9-10 times he has tried to bring it up and I just repeat , sorry I can’t comment, its another world. Maybe a few times would comment on how beautiful some girl is …he has pretty much stopped that commenting and put a picture on his big screen of a good looking redhead. I heard him even once say…watching TV or something I’m not gay. I think he had a problem with it and I was a good example of the well being and boundaries. The more something is talked about the more the suggestion, suggests it has a solid concrete and real value for consideration. So I would for myself and opinion only take on a mature under the wing big brother type of thing and put the self socializing acceptence thing back a bit for the well being in mind. It would be difficult no matter what, so its important the charity has the base in well being.
 
How do I support trad marriage without offending my brother? Can I say congrats or looks like a fun party on photos from a same-sex wedding on FB? How can I explain the reasons behind the Church’s position if he puts me on the spot?
From what you describe, your brother is going to be ‘offended’ by anything that is not in agreement with what he wants to believe. You can pray for him. You can show him love.

But I’m curious if he’s on a forum somewhere right now worrying if he can support redefining marriage without offending you. I’m betting not.

As to explaining the reasons behind the Church’s position, consider doing some reading in Theology of the Body and the Catechism. I hope someone will be along to give a good summation of the position, but essentially, the reason is that we are created in God’s image, and everything in this world, including the marital embrace, should teach us something about God and bring us closer to God.

A man and a woman’s love together can bring forth new life, as the love of God Himself can. The sexual act is designed to be unitive and potentially procreative, not merely to scratch an itch, and two men (or two women together) cannot create another life.
 
What should I do? I feel like I’m hurting my sibling who is gay. He has made mention of same sex marriage not being allowed in the RC church and although he is trying to get a laugh I can tell that he is upset about the church’s teaching on this issue. I have no desire to protest gay marriage or gay adoption anywhere in public or on Facebook by “liking” any obvious cause. I still love my brother and would love any of his gay friends or boyfriends. On Easter I made sure to ask him about a friend of his’ upcoming same-sex wedding and told him to have a good time. I think he was upset greatly last year when Chick FA the restaurant ended up having a record day in sales and lines (my other hetero brother posted photos of the himself in line on FB, and I chose not to support CFA that day, although we do continue to eat there and I love shopping and eating at other Christian places, I’m not anti-Islam or anti-anything else). I think the CEO had made mention of same sex marriage not being “right” and my gay brother takes that to mean that the CEO is homophobic. Now I’m certainly not homophobic but I do believe in traditional marriage.

How do I support trad marriage without offending my brother? Can I say congrats or looks like a fun party on photos from a same-sex wedding on FB? How can I explain the reasons behind the Church’s position if he puts me on the spot?

Please excuse the run-on sentences: it’s a bad habit.
I wouldn’t congratulate someone on a same-sex wedding, because it is an endorsement, condoning it.

The reasons behind the Church’s position are numerous Bible passages, Sodom and Gomorrah and others.

1 Corinthians, 6:9-10
  • Do you not know that the unjust will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators nor idolaters nor adulterers nor boy prostitutes* nor sodomites
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    nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor robbers will inherit the kingdom of God.
There are other verses.

It says in Genesis that God created them male and female, that the two would become one.

When homosexuality is mentioned in the Bible, it is always to condemn it, and marriage is worse.

The Catechism says:

Scroll down to 2357-2359 on homosexuality in the Catechism.

Before Christ ascended to heaven, he gave authority to Peter and the disciples. Christ told Peter that he would be given the “keys to the kingdom” to bind and loose. Christ said what Peter loosed on Earth would be loosed in heaven, what he bound on Earth would be bound in heaven.

He gave the apostles similar power and authority. Since then, the descendents of Peter and the apostles have told us homosexuality is sinful. As the divinely appointed representatives of Christ, we additionally adhere to their words.

Further, homosexuality is unnatural. Yes, there is homosexuality in nature, but it’s relatively rare. It’s sort of like an aberration.

We know Sodom and Gomorrah was destroyed, in part, due to the rampant homosexuality. Homosexuality is a worse sin than some others. Well, it is one of only 4 sins that cry out to heaven for vengeance.

There are many arguments against homosexuality. Here are just some of the statistics on this life style.
carm.org/statistics-homosexual-promiscuity and there are more.

You have a right to your opinion.

If he’s hurt by your joining the Church, then he’s hurt. You don’t sound like the type to genuinely be cruel. However, your religious beliefs should be your concern.

Good luck.
 
There was a thread that posted this video earlier today. I don’t have the thread up here, but I do have the page open in another tab. You can give it a watch and see if it might help you relate to your brother, and help him relate to your faith. I personally found it very compelling and it opened my eyes to a lot of the internal struggle that some people experience.

vimeo.com/93079367
 
I understand your dilemma - I have close friends (many years standing) who are a gay couple, they’ve been together for about 15 years and with the recent change in the law in the UK, I’m sure they’ll want to arrange their civil wedding soon.

They are very kind, decent people, who have been loyal friends to me and a great support in the past, when I had troubles in my life. One of them is a lapsed Catholic, as it happens. We will definitely be on their wedding invitation list and I will have to speak to my priest about it all when the time comes, as I care about my friends very much.
 
Unfortunately, a lot of good people have been duped into thinking that their tendencies and sexual activities are natural and healthy and should be respected and endorsed. They have been taught that they are the victims of bigotry if anyone disagrees with that assertion.

Furthermore, they have been drawn into a story where their struggle for “equality” is equated to other righteous civil rights struggles and in which they believe that one day society will see the light, one way or the other, and their plight will be successful as others were before. This creates a sense of entitlement, moral righteousness and solidarity. Unfortunately, it’s all bunk.

But what would you rather hear if you were gay: That your tendencies and sexual activities are disordered, and you need to live a life of celibacy or obvious sin, or that your tendencies are perfectly normal, no matter what biology, common sense and moral law says and one day soon society should and will endorse your sexual activities as natural and in fact, equal to that of most of society? The answer is clear, the lure is too great for most to withstand.

What if, as a Catholic, you were presented with a situation in which your brother and his friends were very promiscuous and this was accepted and even celebrated? As a Catholic, to join in this popular opinion is to go against your faith. It’s the same with homosexual activities and “marriages”. Does he voice support for gay marriage? If so, why would it be wrong for you to voice your support for traditional marriage? As long as its said and shown in a positive way, and not in a hateful way, then you should feel as entitled to your views as he does.

What’s happening is that we Christians are facing huge social pressure with the media turning against moral law, and we have become afraid of the social repercussions for speaking out. Witness what happened to the Mozilla CEO not too long ago for contributing to a completely legal and non-violent moral political cause for traditional marriage. But the more we are afraid, the less we speak up, the more the immoral opposition wins and the more responsible we are for the moral decay ans the loss of otherwise salvageable souls. This is a great tragedy.

You obviously care about your brother a great deal and don’t want to hurt him. But to endorse his sin for the sake of not hurting him is not love. Sometimes we have to say things people don’t want to hear if we truly love them. I don’t think you need to push the point. Catholics should lead by example, not be Bible-thumpers or finger-pointers.

But if HE pushes the point, or if you find yourself in a situation where you have to decide whether to show love or to show permissiveness, then your duty is clear, not only as a Catholic, but as a moral person who is able to discern wrong from right in spite of society’s current rapidly morally declining state. That doesn’t mean you stop seeing or loving your brother. In fact, it would be a great Christian example to stand your moral ground while showing your brother great love. What your brother does with that is up to him. But if he loves you, he needs to respect you and respect your views. You’re not against HIM. You’re against a sin, which he happens to be prone to.
 
When you do have the conversation reassure your brother that ALL Catholics are bound by the Church to show respect and compassion to homosexual people. No ifs, no buts.

It is entirely possible to disagree with someone’s lifestyle/opinion/partner and still love them and treat them with respect and compassion. All siblings/friends/families have issues that they disagree upon e.g. gay marriage/friends/drugs/alcohol/political party etc. They still love and respect each other.

It’s not any different to say disagreeing on the issue of ‘sex before marriage’. People will have debates and disagree however that doesn’t mean that they are passing judgement on each other. Someone arguing pros on this issue doesn’t necessarily think any less of the person that is arguing cons on the issue. They can still maintain respect for each other.

It’s just that at this point in time you disagree on a topic. I don’t buy into the “you don’t support my partying/choice of partner/reckless/spending money like no tomorrow/irresponsible lifestyle therefore you don’t love/respect me” act, college students use that on their parents. Besides it appears you and your brother are solid. I don’t think he would think like that.

From what I have read you are sensitive to his feelings and show him respect.

It is awkward in social situations because what do you say when they are all talking about the latest gay wedding or discussing the latest State or country to legalise gay marriage?

I have one close gay friend. He knows the Catholic stance and we accept each other regardless of our differing viewpoints on ‘gay marriage’. He knows I would not attend his wedding if he married a man. He respects my decision.
 
There was a thread that posted this video earlier today. I don’t have the thread up here, but I do have the page open in another tab. You can give it a watch and see if it might help you relate to your brother, and help him relate to your faith. I personally found it very compelling and it opened my eyes to a lot of the internal struggle that some people experience.

vimeo.com/93079367
vimeo.com/93079367

Show him this video. “The Third Way”
Great video!
 
The Catholic Church cannot compromise with sin. There are 41,000 Christian denominations that gaffed themselves off from the Apostolic Successorship of the Holy Roman Catholic Church over this. The Catholic Church is not a reed blowing in the wind, catering to whatever happens to be the “in” thing. It’s the only Church that has remained pure, one drop of bad milk will spoil an entire vat.
 
What should I do? I feel like I’m hurting my sibling who is gay. He has made mention of same sex marriage not being allowed in the RC church and although he is trying to get a laugh I can tell that he is upset about the church’s teaching on this issue. I have no desire to protest gay marriage or gay adoption anywhere in public or on Facebook by “liking” any obvious cause. I still love my brother and would love any of his gay friends or boyfriends. On Easter I made sure to ask him about a friend of his’ upcoming same-sex wedding and told him to have a good time. I think he was upset greatly last year when Chick FA the restaurant ended up having a record day in sales and lines (my other hetero brother posted photos of the himself in line on FB, and I chose not to support CFA that day, although we do continue to eat there and I love shopping and eating at other Christian places, I’m not anti-Islam or anti-anything else). I think the CEO had made mention of same sex marriage not being “right” and my gay brother takes that to mean that the CEO is homophobic. Now I’m certainly not homophobic but I do believe in traditional marriage.

How do I support trad marriage without offending my brother? Can I say congrats or looks like a fun party on photos from a same-sex wedding on FB? How can I explain the reasons behind the Church’s position if he puts me on the spot?

Please excuse the run-on sentences: it’s a bad habit.
I have a tricky time with this as well. I evangelize a lot to my gay friends, but that means a much different thing with each one. Some I can talk to for hours about Church teaching and the meaning behind it and natural law and have pleasant conversation. Others know and respect my views but wish to not discuss it because neither of us would convince the other; these I just live a Catholic life around, while being a good friend to them. None so far have been upset about my conversion to the Church, but again, it requires a different approach for each individual.

You know your brother best, so you know how to approach him best. If he’s confrontational, it’s better to just leave the issue alone, provided he knows your position on marriage. If he doesn’t, then explain natural law to him in a peaceful manner, explain that the Church loves all people, gay or straight, and in no way denies their attractions, and explain that the Church has nothing to do with the “gays caused 9/11!!!” crazy crowd.

You cannot take part in the service (bridesmaid/maid of honor/etc.) in a gay wedding, and it is very ill-advised to even attend a gay wedding. However, if he’s discussing his time at a gay wedding with you, it’s not a sin to discuss his weekend. You won’t be able to provide any aid to him, spiritual or material, if you avoid learning about his life.

For example, I have a very, very good friend who just got into a relationship with another woman. She and I, like many of my lesbian friends, had a talk a long time ago about my conversion to the Church *. So she knows my position, even though she doesn’t understand it even a little bit. We’ve agreed to disagree on the issue. I talk to her about how she’s doing, how her girlfriend’s doing, etc. I stay involved with her life, because I want to be there for her in the future whenever she needs me, whether that’s materially or spiritually. If she powers through life to the end denying Catholicism, I can’t do anything about that, unfortunately. But I can show her that the Church would never suggest for someone to treat a sinner as a lesser human for their sins, as we are all sinners. Hopefully you can do that for your brother.

Unfortunately, many religious people give religion a bad name, with homophobic remarks and language all over broadcast networks, violence and bullying against gay people at high levels (though this can also be due to secular homophobia, not just religious homophobia), etc. You have to realize that he’s had to put up with hearing religious person after religious person after religious person call him a “f****t” and suggest he’s all sorts of horrible things, “justifying” it by the Bible. He might have had to endure a lot of really awful abuse in high school and/or college over his sexuality. Keep in mind about that when you discuss the issue with him. If you can show him the “other side” (aka the actual and only side) of Christianity, as in the charity and love found within Catholicism, he will be much less antagonistic towards you than he is others.

I might add that the boycott of Chick Fil A was not done over the owner’s views on same-sex marriage. It was done because the owner of Chick Fil A had been found to donate money to the Family Research Council (a hate group that has suggested gay people idolize pedophiles), Exodus International (a group that performed ‘conversion therapies’ consisting of electrocution, among other things, which it has since apologized and closed shop for), and other such groups from his non-profit “charity” that used Chick Fil A profits as the donation material. Cathy has since apologized, and Chick Fil A no longer supports any of those groups, at least not with charity funds.

With the exception of Mozilla’s scandal, most of these large-scale boycotts have stronger underlying issues behind them besides same-sex marriage (although Mozilla’s CEO was forced out by the tech industry, not by the LGBT community).*
 
Is your brother religious? Does he care about religion?

The thing is that Catholics believe that marriage is a Holy Sacrament; others don’t. It’s just a civil procedure. That makes us different.

Love your brother. Agree to disagree.

I’ve lost a couple of friends because I refused to go along with their crazy rhetoric and ideas on gay marriage. I don’t think I did anything wrong by pointing out the truth, but it is their right to disagree.

It’s okay that he’s hurt by your choice, but it is your choice to be Catholic.
 
I think that the below says it nicely:
But if HE pushes the point, or if you find yourself in a situation where you have to decide whether to show love or to show permissiveness, then your duty is clear, not only as a Catholic, but as a moral person who is able to discern wrong from right in spite of society’s current rapidly morally declining state. That doesn’t mean you stop seeing or loving your brother. In fact, it would be a great Christian example to stand your moral ground while showing your brother great love. What your brother does with that is up to him. But if he loves you, he needs to respect you and respect your views. You’re not against HIM. You’re against a sin, which he happens to be prone to.
You don’t have to start conversations about this topic, but it sounds like he will. Whatever he says always be kind but always say the truth. You must accept that he will be hurt and offended by your beliefs because they are different from his. Which brings us to this:
From what you describe, your brother is going to be ‘offended’ by anything that is not in agreement with what he wants to believe.
But I’m curious if he’s on a forum somewhere right now worrying if he can support redefining marriage without offending you. I’m betting not.
I immediately thought the same thing. Is he worried that his beliefs on SSM are offensive and hurtful to you, and that believing differently AND pushing for these beliefs he is causing you some pain? My guess is that not. The way things are now, SSM supporters seem to believe that tolerance and respect only go one way. Please don’t be sucked into their rhetoric of victimhood and dance to this tune. It is perfectly fine to point out to people that tolerance and respect must go both ways and that you expect that from family members, no matter what the point of disagreement is. That is how mature people behave.
 
I would like to voice an opinion and am really liking all the posts. They are really good and agree fully.

I have experienced some success with concerning two men I have known who had what I would call somewhat of a problem in this area, because women were also of interest to them…

Before I begin I read a few of the posts and entries and understand the OP is a women and from reading everything including the comment, a little worried I’m not a good debtor… I have a hunch OP is a very sensitive and caring person and the brother is a bit of a bully.

The two guy’s I know showed signs in convo and very subtle 'other…that I put two and two together. Here is how I handled it over time and both are and agree to be completely different people agreeing to be a good deal to do with my stable friendship.

First my opinion on this topic is very deep in its reduction understandings.

To be gay and distracted by a suggestion of a mating connection with the same gender is in fact another world. It is not the given world, it is another which can only arrive out of what would be a suggestion from the outset. That initial suggestion has been followed into what would be another world , not this world , in the world of the mind.

Suggestions are very powerful things and so is example. Both example and suggestion work alongside each other forming up who we are and who we represent , or encourage and support in the understood world in which the mind exits.

With both these individuals I explained when the topic came up, listen a little , and patiently finally say…well to be honest I don’t know anything about that world and can’t really find any thing I can say about it, it is another world which I don’t know about, never will and the intricacies and these details are from a perspective I just don’t know anything about, its not a subject in my life, thats all.

After a few times of this , here is what the suggestion says…

it says NO…the original suggestion is not going to drag me into that other world as it has you.

Example and suggestion must be more powerful then the original …not to just help, no…to save your own mind from considering a construction of another world which is all together anti-science, nothing to do with well being, and wrong regardless of any society interested in progress. Further a terrible example to the youth. It conflicts with their science education in every way. Contrast and consequence is the how the world works…an apple does not fall back into its own tree, but in to the contrasting ground allowing for the setting and so on.

The issue in my opinion is decency. A decent example is a good example. Showing boundaries and a greater conviction for the real world, which is being lived in by all…
So I guess the opinion would be NO…hey that is your world in all the details, socializing and partner details…as soon as the subject gets in the door, identify the other world and show no interest. If that doesn’t work all that will be is a run on convo forever trying to get the other to 'consider…the other world…thats the deal, TWO Worlds in competition as represented by two people.

For the comments about the social and the chicken place and Bob Barker and I guess all these new things coming up in the media, my opinion is this.

The buisness marketing is a very cunning and crafty business…one of the ways it survives is being on the social’s perceived fence in ethic.
Marketing in of itself has no ethic in principal, marketing will entice ethic, that is how it works…the marketing guys could not care less about any of these issues, all they care about is as much fuss -per client or initiative they can make for $…the more noise a market venture creates the more in general they can get the phone to ring and make money…( if within guidlines and not too over the top) that is why all these gay things and so on are surfacing…not because of the issue…it is a hot button …hot button in the social means attention…attention means $…so the less the more…iow the more the communities flat out ignore , the less…not much dif then the strategy mentioned above in opinion …the real world and its integrity…plus in almost everything…watch out for bullies.
 
I might add that the boycott of Chick Fil A was not done over the owner’s views on same-sex marriage. It was done because the owner of Chick Fil A had been found to donate money to the Family Research Council (a hate group that has suggested gay people idolize pedophiles), Exodus International (a group that performed ‘conversion therapies’ consisting of electrocution, among other things, which it has since apologized and closed shop for), and other such groups from his non-profit “charity” that used Chick Fil A profits as the donation material. Cathy has since apologized, and Chick Fil A no longer supports any of those groups, at least not with charity funds.

With the exception of Mozilla’s scandal, most of these large-scale boycotts have stronger underlying issues behind them besides same-sex marriage (although Mozilla’s CEO was forced out by the tech industry, not by the LGBT community).
Thanks for reminding me what the whole CFA thing was about. I had forgotten. I do believe we should be able to financially support causes that protect traditional marriage, unborn babies, etc without recourse. We should be able to have free speech and thought, but it doesn’t seem like we do. Bakeries and photographers are ostrasized for their decisions and personal beliefs and billionaires have to be careful all the way down the line.

Why does society treat those who believe in traditional marriage and the protection of unborn babies the same way as those who are racist? I love my brother and I hate that he’s hurting. He and many other believe the RCC is out to get them and I’m no apologetic. I haven’t been put on the spot yet but surely I will one day. I will be praying about this and waiting for God’s answer. I suspect He will want to practice the act of mercy more often. There are plenty of people who need it. Maybe one day I will get a degree in theology.

I’ll be watching that video too. Thanks everyone.
 
…the Family Research Council (a hate group…)
I appreciate the rest of your post, but no, the Family Research Council is not a ‘hate group.’ Not unless they’re out in peaked robes burning crosses on people’s lawns or something that is actually based on ‘hate.’
 
Why does society treat those who believe in traditional marriage and the protection of unborn babies the same way as those who are racist? I love my brother and I hate that he’s hurting. He and many other believe the RCC is out to get them and I’m no apologetic.
I’ll be watching that video too. Thanks everyone.
That’s because mainstream media shows only radical and extreme examples of this.

They do not report widely about the right to life march either-too peaceful and boring for them. They would rather report about some crazy person blowing up an abortion clinic and paint all right to life people with the same brush.

The church is a loving example of giving acceptance to all to come and follow Christ’s teachings-but the media picks a contoversial sin, and makes it a personal divisive issue, perhaps to fuel hate.

In answer to your post, keep your relationship on an individual level with your sibling, and ask him to return the respect. You both do not have to agree, and you can pray and by your actions be a testimony to the Catholic faith. Your brother will understand more. About the Church this way.
 
I have been going with the easy route. I look but don’t comment. I think eventually he may force me into a comment or question me in person which is so difficult for me. I’m new to Catholicism and don’t debate well.
No. You don’t allow people to “force” you to comment. If you don’t feel competent to debate, then don’t debate. If you know the teaching of the Church is going to be rejected out of hand before you even open your mouth, then don’t open your mouth!

Do not give what is holy to dogs, or throw your pearls before swine, lest they trample them underfoot, and turn and tear you to pieces.” (Matt. 7:6)

To refuse to debate with someone who is not going to debate in good faith is not the “easy” route. It is the wise route:

*When he had come into the temple area, the chief priests and the elders of the people approached him as he was teaching and said, “By what authority are you doing these things? And who gave you this authority?”

Jesus said to them in reply, “I shall ask you one question, and if you answer it for me, then I shall tell you by what authority I do these things. Where was John’s baptism from? Was it of heavenly or of human origin?”

They discussed this among themselves and said, “If we say ‘Of heavenly origin,’ he will say to us, ‘Then why did you not believe him?’ But if we say, ‘Of human origin,’ we fear the crowd, for they all regard John as a prophet.”

So they said to Jesus in reply, “We do not know.”

He himself said to them, “Neither shall I tell you by what authority I do these things."*

(Matt. 21:23-27)

You will find that if you teach that homosexual acts are wrong, you will be speaking from an authority they will not accept, because they reject all authorities that tell them that they must not do what they are doing. Simply to say “this is wrong” makes the authority incompetent! You can’t get anywhere with someone like that. Do not be drawn in to such pointless arguments, then. Save your testimony for those who have not decided to reject you before you start. If they say “why not”, then just say, “There is no point in stirring up strife with someone who is stuck in his ways. You have made your decision, and you are not coming to me in order to re-examine your position. You are going to either change me, or else have a fight. I’ll have none of it.” If the person says, “no, I’m am really re-thinking this, and I want to know why the Church refuses to change,” then have a discussion. Otherwise, do not be drawn into one. It will only get someone hurt.
 
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