Gay wedding cakes

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I just don’t get what is so hard to understand this.

I don’t think I should force a Jewish ship to sell ham.
I don’t think I should force a Muslim to decorate a cake with crosses and crusaders.
Some things are just not on the menu. There is no discrimination against the person. It is simply unavailability of a particular service.
 
Correct. You’re spot on!!! Such a simple concept. As long as the service is the same there is no discrimination.
 
Its almost as though some are equating a cake with a sacramental…a cake may have the ability of impacting my waistline, but not the faith of the Church, and thinking otherwise might detract from the sanctity of the Sacrament of Holy Matrimony by reducing the significance of the covenant while advancing the importance of the reception…which seems to be a sad reality.
 
It must be very difficult to get a cake from these bakers, since they must wait for a “freedom to marry” packet be returned from the Diocese.

For other events, birthdays, anniversaries, baby showers etc will a letter from the pastor of the honoree suffice or do you have to get one for every party attendee?
 
The Article:
“Right now I don’t think we have a balance that is protecting people of faith,” Humphrey told the committee.
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I am not confident there will ever be a set of laws that can protect everyone’s interest. There is likely to be someone on the losing end.
 
ThinkingSapien said:
The Article:
“Right now I don’t think we have a balance that is protecting people of faith,” Humphrey told the committee.
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I am not confident there will ever be a set of laws that can protect everyone’s interest. There is likely to be someone on the losing end.
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And that’s really what it boils down to. Balancing liberties is never easy, and no matter how a legislature or a court tries to create protections that don’t intrude too far, there will be winners and losers. Personally, I don’t think it’s right to force any cake baker or sign maker to write a message that they fundamentally disagree with; I think that intrudes a little too far into one’s personal morals and conscience. At the same time, I don’t think society can really afford to create new forms of segregation; in other words, yes, a cake decorator should be protected from writing a message on a gay couple’s cake (or, say, a swastika on a Neo-Nazi’s cake), but he should not be allowed to refuse service to someone because they are gay.

But that’s an awfully fine line, and there are always going to be cases that don’t quite fit that clean cut narrative.
 
No, that’s a step too far. That is out and out discrimination.
 
If a gay couple asks for a generic wedding cake I don’t think that should be refused.
If they start asking for messages on the cake like “Adam and Steve wedding” then it can.
 
No, I’m afraid store owners cannot just make their own rules. In a myriad ways and through multiple levels of government, businesses have any number of regulations. Businesses, unlike private individuals, can and are regulated by government.
 
margaret42 said:
Store owners can make their own rules.
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No they can’t. The job of the government is to protect minorities from oppression. If shop owners can make their own rules then they are free to discriminate. We must protect the rights of minorities not to be discriminated against.

At the same time we also must protect individuals rights not to be forced to do something against their conscience.

I think the balance can be achieved.
 
ThinkingSapien said:
The Article:
“Right now I don’t think we have a balance that is protecting people of faith,” Humphrey told the committee.
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I am not confident there will ever be a set of laws that can protect everyone’s interest. There is likely to be someone on the losing end. Niceatheist said it well. Balancing liberties is not easy.
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I’m rather confident everyone’s interest can not be satisfied. Even just looking at various faith beliefs on the various hot button issues of our times tells me that. Someone won’t be satisfied. Niceatheist said it well. Balancing liberties is never easy.
 
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Sy_Noe said:
The Jewish shop wouldn’t be selling ham to anyone, right?
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Well…unless the customers are a “protected class” and therefore “more equals than others”, then they can force the Jewish shop to buy a ham, prepare it to their individual desires, and sell it to them at a rate set by the all-powerful government.

Only THEN should the Jewish shop be selling a ham.
 
ratio1 said:
As long as the service is the same there is no discrimination.
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Anyone could come in and buy any cake already made/prepared and displayed. I don’t care if you are gay, jewish, mohameddist, buddhist, Christian, atheist, homosexual, homophobic, nazi, or sadistic. If it’s on the shelf, you can buy it.

Oh, you want me to specifically create a work of MY ART? Yeah…I should get a say in what I am forced to CREATE.
 
niceatheist said:
but he should not be allowed to refuse service to someone because they are gay.
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Big difference between refusing “service” and refusing to creating artwork which you disagree with.

Gay couple wants to buy a cake? No problem. Gay couple wants to force me to put “Bob & Tom, April 17 2018” on a cake? Problem…
 
The poster I was responding to seemed to think it was fine to outright refuse service to a homosexual, not merely to refuse to decorate a cake in a certain way.
 
Ahhh, whatever happened to the beautiful word we used to know as gay in the 40s or 50s.

Weddings are gay occasions. Of course the wedding cake should also be gay.
 
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