GAYS and masterbation are mortal sins

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This is very clear in scripture genesis 19;5-7 levtiticus 18;22
1corinthians6;9 deuteronomy 23;17 job 36;14 joel 3;3 levititicus20;13
gen 19;4,5 also read romans 13;13 galatians 5;19 Theres much
more in both old and new testement casting false images,self pleaseures,dont let you lifes seed hit the ground ,there are also
violations with todays married there is a conduct code in scripture.
I countiue to see the same old questions over and over.I pray
more people read the scriptures,pray seek wisdom and find.For
catholics its also in catechism. BOTH GAYS AND MASTERBATION IS A MORTAL VERY SERIOUS ACT…
It is my hope this will shed some light,I understand its an embarrasing subject and many parents clergy tend to avoid pointing it.Which is why so many keep asking.So above is only
a few places.but should get you going.GOD BLESS
 
Do you mean homosexual ACTS are the mortal sins? Or are you saying being gay is a mortal sin? If you are then you’re 100% wrong. The acts are the mortal sins not being homosexual because the person cannot control their attraction.
 
“Gays” is not an act; homosexual sex is an act. Glory to God, too, that most people on this board do indeed know that sex which cannot properly image God’s love is n abuse of human sexuality.

That aside, your post is very hard to read and doesn’t seem to invite discussion or bring up anything controversial. Could you clean up your post a bit and fix the spacing and capitalization, please?

God bless.
 
“Gays” is not an act; homosexual sex is an act. Glory to God, too, that most people on this board do indeed know that sex which cannot properly image God’s love is n abuse of human sexuality.

That aside, your post is very hard to read and doesn’t seem to invite discussion or bring up anything controversial. Could you clean up your post a bit and fix the spacing and capitalization, please?

God bless.
My English is always in layman’s terms could write it in Hebrew or Greek or Latin which AM better versed.
It would then be closer to correct word Gay according to modern layman’s dictionary does mean homosexual’s far as most people on this board your right maybe.But there is repeat
questions on this subject .From some who are on this subject youre 1st to say you are already aware, am glad you are.But You cant speak for everyone can you?
GOD BLESS:thumbsup:
 
Do you mean homosexual ACTS are the mortal sins? Or are you saying being gay is a mortal sin? If you are then you’re 100% wrong. The acts are the mortal sins not being homosexual because the person cannot control their attraction.
I think you get the picture.If you read the scripture.👍 GOD BLESS
 
Why would God create humans to have homosexual desires if those desires are innately sinful? He didn’t. Homosexuality is a mechanism of society is a self perpetuating cycle. If God wanted it that way, it would have been Adam and Evan.
 
Why would God create humans to have homosexual desires if those desires are innately sinful? He didn’t. Homosexuality is a mechanism of society is a self perpetuating cycle. If God wanted it that way, it would have been Adam and Evan.
Or Adam and Steve, or Andrea and Eve…

I don’t think God creates anyone with SSA. SSA is a product of the fall of man (see Romans 1) It could manifest itself in anyone who inherits Adam’s nature, just as some people are vulnerable to alcoholism while others are not.
 
Good point Johnny…

If science ever proves beyond a doubt that it’s a genetic trait, then that would be my next line of reasoning. But with a quick yahoo and google search, it seems like it’s only a theory with no real backing. Maybe i’m mistaken?

It just seems to me, with countless stories of “lost sheep” and God’s protecting nature, he wouldn’t allow Man to deviate from his original creation “in His image”.

I don’t presume to know His Will, in fact it gets me nervous when my Protestant friends do. I can only trust that His Will will be done through the faithful and His Church, whomever that may include.
 
Luke 6:37 says - Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned!

Anyways, now in terms of homosexuality…

For those who still think it is a choice… My goodness, get out of lolly land and face it… Homosexuality is NOT a choice!! Science has proven it over and over.

I mean come on now… Do you guys honestly think someone would choose to be gay, and to have their entire family hate them now, have half their friends hate them, and be made fun of? I mean come on now… Whoever honestly thinks that is a choice… G-d help you, because you have serious problems if you think someone would choose such.

Sex outside of marriage is a sin…

But two loving guys, who just go out, and have no sex… Not a problem, IMO.

If someone is gay, that is fine with me. It is between them and G-d… Not my place to condemn them or judge.
 
“______________ is NOT a choice”

I don’t like that excuse because a person could use it to rationalize every other sin.

:rolleyes:
 
“______________ is NOT a choice”

I don’t like that excuse because a person could use it to rationalize every other sin.

:rolleyes:
But it is the truth…

You are lying to yourself if you deny such. Just remember that.

Let me ask you this…

So, you “choose” to be gay.

You tell your family, after much hesitation. (Why would you hesitate to tell them though if you choose it and can always change!!)

Your family disowns you. (Why don’t you just change back to being straight again!!)

You tell your friends. And they disown you. (Why can’t you just change back!!)

So you are depressed. (Why choose to be depressed. Why not change to being straight again!!!)

It becomes such a hard life for you, even though you can change.

And then you commit suicide. (The homosexual suicide rate is SEVENTY PERCENT higher then hetero.)

Oh, but this was all a choice huh? Yeah, people chose for their families to disown them… The family that they love to death. People choose for their mothers to never speak to them again, even though before they got along greatly.

People choose to loose their best friend.

Some of them loose all they have… They may even get kicked out of their home!!

Oh, but it was all a choice wasn’t it?

Why don’t you tell that to the parents of a homosexual kid who committed suicide? Go ahead… I promise you would never be able to do such.

Perhaps you should actually talk to a homosexual some time. Ask them about their life experience… Trust me, EVERY one will have gone through persecution, will have lost at least 1 very special person in their life, and will have gone through depression.
 
For those who still think it is a choice… My goodness, get out of lolly land and face it… Homosexuality is NOT a choice!! Science has proven it over and over.

I mean come on now… Do you guys honestly think someone would choose to be gay, and to have their entire family hate them now, have half their friends hate them, and be made fun of? I mean come on now… Whoever honestly thinks that is a choice… G-d help you, because you have serious problems if you think someone would choose such.
Well, I guess I have serious problems, or at least I did before God restored my soul and brought me out of the homosexual community.

Look, French, I’ve been there – and you’re right. It’s hard to lose friends (and I did), to be afraid of losing my job, to be afraid of being beaten up, to lose my dearest friend to suicide. You’re right about the suicide rate being high, and about the pain and despair, and sometimes even depression.

So why would I have chosen such a lifestyle? Perhaps it was because of the support and encouragement to “come out” I received from members of my Catholic parish. Perhaps it was because my father was an alcoholic addicted to pornography. Perhaps it was because I was molested by a neighbor when I was a child. Perhaps it was because I was afraid of men, but still desperately wanted to be in a relationship.

Whatever the reason I chose the hell I lived through (and almost chose for eternity), I will tell you something that no one currently in that community (homosexual) will tell you: I desperately wanted to be in a heterosexual relationship. I desperately wanted to return to my Catholic faith in its fullness. I desperately wanted what I had deliberately spurned.

And why did I make such a painful choice, a choice that seemed to go against everything I knew in my heart of hearts that I wanted? Because no matter how awful it was at the time (dealing with the prejudice and the fear and even the suicide), I felt safe around these women who loved me and supported me. And for whatever reason, I feared men far too much to be willing to even consider trying for that sort of relationship. In other words, I chose the hell I knew over the hell I didn’t know.

I left that community (I don’t call it a “lifestyle” because my day-to-day routine is pretty much the same) years ago, thanks be to God and His grace. It was several more years before I returned to the Church, but that’s a different story.

Look, I don’t know how God created me or anyone else. But I do know that I lived in the lesbian community for nearly ten years, and it was 100% a choice! I would never tell that to any of my friends from that community (a couple of them are still very dear friends), but I will tell you. And before you go off and encourage someone who is “questioning” to come out of the closet, consider for one brief moment, that their “questioning” may in fact be a cry for help of a completely different kind. They may be asking for help and courage in facing the fear of being the man or woman God actually created them to be.

As for the suicide rate – my heart still aches for the dear and precious friend I lost. This cannot be said enough – when one is dealing with someone with SSA or who is actually engaging in homosexual acts, BE KIND, BE COMPASSIONATE. And if you can’t say something nice, shut up and walk away and let your ministry to them be through prayer only.

Gertie
 
Look, I don’t know how God created me or anyone else. But I do know that I lived in the lesbian community for nearly ten years, and it was 100% a choice! I would never tell that to any of my friends from that community (a couple of them are still very dear friends), but I will tell you. And before you go off and encourage someone who is “questioning” to come out of the closet, consider for one brief moment, that their “questioning” may in fact be a cry for help of a completely different kind. They may be asking for help and courage in facing the fear of being the man or woman God actually created them to be.

Gertie
God bless you!

I too left that community over 20 years ago. It was a choice for me as well. I chose to ACT on my attraction which was born out of frustration, anger, radical feminism, and extreme anti-male feelings. I left the lifestyle because it was empty and unfulfilling, driven by selfishness and resentment. Praise God I was rescued from the darkness.

My sister remains firmly committed to her choice to participate in homosexual acts. She made a personal and political choice to eschew men and choose women. I pray for her every day for I know God can rescue her as well.
 
Honestly, i have a hard time finding any scientific reports about homosexuality being genetic. There are a lot of theories that are expounded, but no scientific proof. If you provide a link to proof, i’ll gladly read it.

I will argue that our current society promotes an indifference towards a homosexual orientation. All it takes is some confusion with gender roles while a child is developing their sense of self. Whether that be from an overbearing parent or outside stimuli, it doesn’t matter. The age old debate of Nature vs. Nurture is still raging on. And since i find no evidence supporting nature, it’s easy to choose nurture.
 
I did not want to do this at all… G-d willing, I guess I have to, in order to prove my point. Ugh… Now like half the members on this board will put me on block…

I myself am gay. I grew up a very “normal” lifestyle if that is what you want to call it. Pretty religious Catholic, everything.

I had always liked other guys from when I was a kid. But I would always read that it was just a typical phase, and it would go away. So I never worried about it.

Then, high school started. And my friend had gotten a girlfriend. All was well. I was happy for him! However, then I started questioning why I had never had a girlfriend… Many girls had asked me out… I turned them all down. I was like “why?”

Then, I thought about it and realized I was gay. It was horrible. I did everything I could to change myself. I mean I did EVERYTHING. You name it, I probably tried.

I contacted Priests from all over, I prayed and prayed and prayed for literally hours at a time, I did everything.

I did not “act” gay whatever that is supposed to mean. I just… Liked guys.

And I spent about 4 years in depression, just trying and wanting to become straight. I tried committing suicide once because ti was so hard.

I was not “scared” to become straight. Heck no. I wanted to be straight. And I did not want to come out.

Then, finally I came out… I did not want to, nor did I plan to… But, my family found out I was gay buy a note I had written to a friend.

I was not literally, but nevertheless one could say I was disowned. Total silence in my house. No one wanted to talk to me about it, and I was seriously hated. It was the worse time of my life.

Don’t freaking tell me that I chose all I have had to go through.

And you say that you were molested as a child by a men, and you were afraid to be with men…

Ok, well most BOYS who are molested by MEN become gay. What, why do they not fear men? After all, it was a guy that raped them… So why do they wish to have a relationship with guys? If it is so fearful.

Perhaps you thought you were a lesbian, but you were really just scared to be with men. Perhaps you felt safe with a woman, but never really loved women. You just were too scared of men.

Which is why in your case, you may have very well chosen such.

But most do not choose. Most truly love the same sex, and just can not fall in love with the opposite.

So if I am choosing being gay… Tell me… How do I “get out” of this “lifestyle?” Please tell me how, and G-d willing we will see if I can mysteriously “become” straight all of a sudden.

My goodness…
 
Honestly, i have a hard time finding any scientific reports about homosexuality being genetic. There are a lot of theories that are expounded, but no scientific proof. If you provide a link to proof, i’ll gladly read it.

I will argue that our current society promotes an indifference towards a homosexual orientation. All it takes is some confusion with gender roles while a child is developing their sense of self. Whether that be from an overbearing parent or outside stimuli, it doesn’t matter. The age old debate of Nature vs. Nurture is still raging on. And since i find no evidence supporting nature, it’s easy to choose nurture.
Honestly, I have a hard time finding any scientific evidence that being homosexuality is a CHOICE.

About the nature vs. nurture thing - You don’t have to be born something, for it not to be a choice. I think that people make themselves look so stupid if they think that if you are not born with this or that, that it is then HAS to be a choice.

Even if homosexuality was a “nature” thing … That does not make it a choice.
 
I am gay, and I can assure you that it is not a choice. I wholly believe that God made me this way, and I actually take it as a blessing that He did. It seems strange, but this is why:

First of all, my orientation was a major reason that I left the Church as a young teen, but the more I learned about what the CCC actually said and what the Church’s teachings were, the more I realized that the Church was far kinder and accepting than I thought. Now that I have matured a bit and taken responsibility for my actions, I have gotten so much closer to the Church.

Secondly, were I not gay, I don’t think I would be so accepting/tolerant of diveristies not only in sexual orientations but also in gender identity, race, religion, and other things. I used to be very mean and closed-minded, but when the tables were turned I could see just how hurtful a closed mind can be, and I really worked to curb my hateful ways. I now know that it is important to love the sinner and hate the sin.
 
I am gay, and I can assure you that it is not a choice. I wholly believe that God made me this way, and I actually take it as a blessing that He did. It seems strange, but this is why:

First of all, my orientation was a major reason that I left the Church as a young teen, but the more I learned about what the CCC actually said and what the Church’s teachings were, the more I realized that the Church was far kinder and accepting than I thought. Now that I have matured a bit and taken responsibility for my actions, I have gotten so much closer to the Church.

Secondly, were I not gay, I don’t think I would be so accepting/tolerant of diveristies not only in sexual orientations but also in gender identity, race, religion, and other things. I used to be very mean and closed-minded, but when the tables were turned I could see just how hurtful a closed mind can be, and I really worked to curb my hateful ways. I now know that it is important to love the sinner and hate the sin.
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I think I was blessed in a way, as you were.

Before I realized I was gay, I was totally close minded… Neo conservative. Ew. Everything would make me mad. I hated any little thing out of the norm. I would judge like crazy.

Then, once I realized I was gay, I became a LOT more tolerant… I no longer judge people like I used to. I think I live a lot more Christ like then I used to. I have become such a more loving person. I am a neo liberal now!! Total 180!!

So in a way, I have been blessed, because I am so much more Christlike.

As much as homophobes hate to admit it, homosexuals are the least judgmental people… Which is really Christlike lol!!

May G-d Bless you. I know how hard it is to be gay, and not choose… And then to have such rude members come on here and tell us it is a choice… They obviously have no clue what we have had to go through.
 
I am gay, and I can assure you that it is not a choice. I wholly believe that God made me this way, and I actually take it as a blessing that He did. It seems strange, but this is why:

First of all, my orientation was a major reason that I left the Church as a young teen, but the more I learned about what the CCC actually said and what the Church’s teachings were, the more I realized that the Church was far kinder and accepting than I thought. Now that I have matured a bit and taken responsibility for my actions, I have gotten so much closer to the Church.

Secondly, were I not gay, I don’t think I would be so accepting/tolerant of diveristies not only in sexual orientations but also in gender identity, race, religion, and other things. I used to be very mean and closed-minded, but when the tables were turned I could see just how hurtful a closed mind can be, and I really worked to curb my hateful ways. I now know that it is important to love the sinner and hate the sin.
Does this mean you have seen that sexual relations between those of the same sex, are mortal sin? Have you abandoned your “homosexual lifestyle”? Or do you continue to live in sin, keep having “sexual relations” with those of the same sex, kissing passionately those of the same sex, expressing feelings toward a person of the same sex that is only naturally for a man and woman?

Being a “Eunich”, as the Lord refers to people such as yourself, is not at all sinful. But go and establish a “gay” relationship with another of the same sex and then you cross the line. It is then that you place yourself outside the Church- excommunicated ipso facto- you cannot even go to confession until you GIVE UP the HOMOSEXUAL LIFESTYLE.

Amazing you find your orientation a blessing. Those who are the way you are and remain celibate find it a huge cross to carry, yet they do it. They do not feel it to be a blessing at all, the average person that is. The more spiritual ones however do. They suffer much and offer it up for the poor souls in purgatory- remaining celibate their entire lives.

Ken
 
But it is the truth…
Silly. It is a theory. It is unproven. It is asserted to attempt to normalize homosexual behavior. Try doing research on sites that do not have a pro-homosexual bias.
You are lying to yourself if you deny such. Just remember that.
You have bought the propaganda, the party line. Good luck with that!
So, you “choose” to be gay.
Let’s clarify the Catholic position. It doesn’t matter why or how a person is afflicted with homosexual inclinations. It is irrelevent. What matters is how they CHOOSE to behave in response to their inclination. That, my friend, is 100% choice.
You tell your family, after much hesitation. (Why would you hesitate to tell them though if you choose it and can always change!!)
You hesitate because you know, in the place of your heart where God has written His law, that you are embarking on a life of sin if you choose to engage in homosexual behavior. You KNOW it is unacceptable but you’ve been propagandized and indoctrinated into believing it’s just okey dokey by the extremely effective pro-gay lobby.
Your family disowns you. (Why don’t you just change back to being straight again!!)
While it may be true that in the early years of the homosexual movement (60’s and 70’s) families still had a collective conscience and would speak out in opposition to a child “coming out”, today is would be a rare thing to find a family who would disown a gay child.
You tell your friends. And they disown you. (Why can’t you just change back!!)
Sorry. Doesn’t wash. There is tremendous support in the public school systems for children who think they many be gay (IMO confused). One need only watch MTV to see what teens are being fed about how “cool” it is to be gay, or to have a gay friend. My goodness, it’s like a badge of honor for some kids!
So you are depressed. (Why choose to be depressed. Why not change to being straight again!!!)
Sure you’re depressed. You are defying the natural law. You are choosing to indugle your disordered desires over the stability of your family, friends, Church, etc.
It becomes such a hard life for you, even though you can change.
It is a hard life because it is a lifestyle at complete odds with natural law, God’s law, biology, tradition, culture, etc.
And then you commit suicide. (The homosexual suicide rate is SEVENTY PERCENT higher then hetero.)
By the way, this is one of the most popular myths the gay activists put forth. Educate yourself.
The myth of a gay teen suicide epidemic is built upon a flimsy statistical foundation. Gibson, a homosexual social worker in San Francisco, uses statistics from mainly homosexual sources and then extrapolates them to the general youth population using the discredited Kinsey estimate of a 10 percent gay population.
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