GAYS and masterbation are mortal sins

[french]

Does this mean you have seen that sexual relations between those of the same sex, are mortal sin? Have you abandoned your “homosexual lifestyle”? Or do you continue to live in sin, keep having “sexual relations” with those of the same sex, kissing passionately those of the same sex, expressing feelings toward a person of the same sex that is only naturally for a man and woman?

Being a “Eunich”, as the Lord refers to people such as yourself, is not at all sinful. But go and establish a “gay” relationship with another of the same sex and then you cross the line. It is then that you place yourself outside the Church- excommunicated ipso facto- you cannot even go to confession until you GIVE UP the HOMOSEXUAL LIFESTYLE.

Gosh, I pray that G-d will open your mind and change your ultra materialistic ways.

You know, if you want to talk about sin… Then let’s talk about something that Jesus made VERY clear… Divorce.

Matthew 5 says that whoever divorces his wife, has caused her to commit adultery.

So, divorce = Adultery.

Adultery = Grave sin. Includes sex before marriage.

So, how many people do you know who have had sex before marriage? I would say at least 70% of my friends.

Sometimes, we have to leave things between the person and G-d. And, we also need to be open to how one interprets Scripture. Have you even bothered to ask what he thought on the “anti gay” verses in the Bible?

Amazing you find your orientation a blessing.

“Something good always comes out of something bad.”

Ever heard that quote before?

Perhaps maybe when someone realizes they are gay, they stop judging. Judging is a disgusting sin (Luke 6:37) They stop condemning so much, which is also a sin (same verse.)

They usually care more about others, and give more to the poor, which is a necessity (Romans 13:9; Luke 6:38 ; Mark 12:31; Psalms 82:3, among many others.)

Or, it could have done something like it did to me… I have studied the Bible so much, to try and see what the Bible says on homosexuality, that I have a lot of the Bible memorized!!

Those who are the way you are and remain celibate find it a huge cross to carry, yet they do it. They do not feel it to be a blessing at all, the average person that is. The more spiritual ones however do. They suffer much and offer it up for the poor souls in purgatory- remaining celibate their entire lives.

Ken

And may G-d be with all of those who are Celibate!

And have you ever even asked this member if he participated in homosexual sex, or just love?

 

[kleary]

IT IS A CHOICE.

You make a choice to establish relationships with others. You make a choice to pull your pants down. You make a choice to do every single action you do.

Jesus told Mary Magdalene “GO AND SIN NO MORE”.

He says none the less to you. You must abandon your homosexual lifestyle, stop your homosexual acts, abandon them- regret them- promise God Almighty you will never return to them. See them as depraved, immoral, against natural law, against moral law, injust, perverted and disgusting.

Committing homosexual actions is indeed a choice. Stay away from those who make that choice to commit homosexual acts easier for they are accomplices of Satan- they are near occasion of sin.

Ken

 

[blessedtoo]

As much as **homophobes **hate to admit it, homosexuals are the least judgmental people… Which is really Christlike lol!!

Nothing judgemental in that statement, right?

 

[Dancelittleewok]

Gosh, I pray that G-d will open your mind and change your ultra materialistic ways.

You know, if you want to talk about sin… Then let’s talk about something that Jesus made VERY clear… Divorce.

Matthew 5 says that whoever divorces his wife, has caused her to commit adultery.

So, divorce = Adultery.

Adultery = Grave sin. Includes sex before marriage.

So, how many people do you know who have had sex before marriage? I would say at least 70% of my friends.

Sometimes, we have to leave things between the person and G-d. And, we also need to be open to how one interprets Scripture. Have you even bothered to ask what he thought on the “anti gay” verses in the Bible?

“Something good always comes out of something bad.”

Ever heard that quote before?

Perhaps maybe when someone realizes they are gay, they stop judging. Judging is a disgusting sin (Luke 6:37) They stop condemning so much, which is also a sin (same verse.)

They usually care more about others, and give more to the poor, which is a necessity (Romans 13:9; Luke 6:38 ; Mark 12:31; Psalms 82:3, among many others.)

Or, it could have done something like it did to me… I have studied the Bible so much, to try and see what the Bible says on homosexuality, that I have a lot of the Bible memorized!!

And may G-d be with all of those who are Celibate!

And have you ever even asked this member if he participated in homosexual sex, or just love?

Think about this: a heterosexual couple whom is not married that has sex i.e. commit fornication, do they have a choice in doing so?

 

[french]

Silly. It is a theory. It is unproven. It is asserted to attempt to normalize homosexual behavior. Try doing research on sites that do not have a pro-homosexual bias.

I have a degree in Biology, and have done plenty of research on the issue.

But perhaps the best way to research, is to speak to people who are gay themselves, and see what they say.

You have bought the propaganda, the party line. Good luck with that!

Thanks!

Let’s clarify the Catholic position. It doesn’t matter why or how a person is afflicted with homosexual inclinations. It is irrelevent. What matters is how they CHOOSE to behave in response to their inclination. That, my friend, is 100% choice.

Every heard of a group called “Dignity?” It is a Catholic homosexual group, that has groups at MANY Churches. This group has not been like ex communicated or anything.

"We believe that gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgendered persons can express their sexuality in a manner that is consonant with Christ's teaching. We believe that we can express our sexuality physically, in a unitive manner that is loving, life-giving, and life-affirming. We believe that all sexuality should be exercised in an ethically responsible and unselfish way.

DIGNITY is organized to unite gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgendered Catholics, as well as our families, friends and loved ones in order to develop leadership, and be an instrument through which we may be heard by and promote reform in the Church."

You hesitate because you know, in the place of your heart where God has written His law, that you are embarking on a life of sin if you choose to engage in homosexual behavior. You KNOW it is unacceptable but you’ve been propagandized and indoctrinated into believing it’s just okey dokey by the extremely effective pro-gay lobby.

I have been “propagandized & indoctrinated” by my interpretation of the Bible.

While it may be true that in the early years of the homosexual movement (60’s and 70’s) families still had a collective conscience and would speak out in opposition to a child “coming out”, today is would be a rare thing to find a family who would disown a gay child.

Perhaps not disown, but SEVERELY hurt the relationship a homosexual has with the family.

Sorry. Doesn’t wash. There is tremendous support in the public school systems for children who think they many be gay (IMO confused). One need only watch MTV to see what teens are being fed about how “cool” it is to be gay, or to have a gay friend. My goodness, it’s like a badge of honor for some kids!

People are not afraid to speak out against bigotry, and they are willing to standby for tolerance. It is not “cool” to be gay… But homosexuals have support groups and such because it is HARD for one to live being gay.

You see all these support groups and such… But do you ever see about people getting beat up, teachers personally discriminating, etc?

Sure you’re depressed. You are defying the natural law. You are choosing to indugle your disordered desires over the stability of your family, friends, Church, etc.

If it’s a choice, then why wouldn’t I just choose to change?

It is a hard life because it is a lifestyle at complete odds with natural law, God’s law, biology, tradition, culture, etc.

So why would one choose it?

By the way, this is one of the most popular myths the gay activists put forth. Educate yourself.

I have. Perhaps you should.

leaderu.com/jhs/labarbera.html

Oh G-d help you.

It is one thing to be prejudice. It is another thing to trust such biased sources.

 

[french]

IT IS A CHOICE.

You make a choice to establish relationships with others. You make a choice to pull your pants down. You make a choice to do every single action you do.

It is not a choice with who you fall in love with though, now is it?

Jesus told Mary Magdalene “GO AND SIN NO MORE”.

Perhaps you should listen to such advice.

He says none the less to you. You must abandon your homosexual lifestyle, stop your homosexual acts, abandon them- regret them- promise God Almighty you will never return to them. See them as depraved, immoral, against natural law, against moral law, injust, perverted and disgusting.

Perverted and disgusting, I will never agree with such hateful and judgmental words.

If one wants to be celibate, great for them. I am truly happy for them.

However, they are still gay… They still have homosexual inclinations. They may not act on it, but they still have such inclinations. Hence, they are still gay.

Committing homosexual actions is indeed a choice. Stay away from those who make that choice to commit homosexual acts easier for they are accomplices of Satan- they are near occasion of sin.

But having such temptations is not a choice.

 

[french]

Nothing judgemental in that statement, right?

Think about this: a heterosexual couple whom is not married that has sex i.e. commit fornication, do they have a choice in doing so?

I am not debating whether or not one has the choice to have sex or not… LOL that would be ridiculous to debate such!

I am debating whether or not I think homosexuality is a choice or not. And I do not think it is.

The person may choose whether or not they have sex. Ok, that’s all good and fine.

But they still do not choose whom they are attracted to. They do not choose who they love.

And, as long as they still have same sex attractions (whether or not they act on them), they are still homosexual!

 

[howdytest]

Lets try to keep this civil guys, no need to flame anyone…

I’m going to stick with my original statement: I can only trust that His Will will be done through the faithful and His Church, whomever that may include.

Whether you believe it to be choice or not, we must maintain the balance between our beliefs and people’s rights. Let us let God do the judging…

 

[blessedtoo]

Let’s clarify the Catholic position. It doesn’t matter why or how a person is afflicted with homosexual inclinations. It is irrelevent. What matters is how they CHOOSE to behave in response to their inclination. That, my friend, is 100% choice.

"On October 30, 1986, the Vatican issued a “Letter to the Bishops of the Catholic Church on the Pastoral Care of Homosexual Persons.” This document instructed the bishops to withdraw all support, or even the semblance of support, from any group vague on the immorality of homogenital acts. Surely the Vatican had Dignity in mind.
From Dignity Website

dignityusa.org/faq.html

 

[sonoflife1]

Silly. It is a theory. It is unproven. It is asserted to attempt to normalize homosexual behavior. Try doing research on sites that do not have a pro-homosexual bias.

You have bought the propaganda, the party line. Good luck with that!

Let’s clarify the Catholic position. It doesn’t matter why or how a person is afflicted with homosexual inclinations. It is irrelevent. What matters is how they CHOOSE to behave in response to their inclination. That, my friend, is 100% choice.

You hesitate because you know, in the place of your heart where God has written His law, that you are embarking on a life of sin if you choose to engage in homosexual behavior. You KNOW it is unacceptable but you’ve been propagandized and indoctrinated into believing it’s just okey dokey by the extremely effective pro-gay lobby.

While it may be true that in the early years of the homosexual movement (60’s and 70’s) families still had a collective conscience and would speak out in opposition to a child “coming out”, today is would be a rare thing to find a family who would disown a gay child.

Sorry. Doesn’t wash. There is tremendous support in the public school systems for children who think they many be gay (IMO confused). One need only watch MTV to see what teens are being fed about how “cool” it is to be gay, or to have a gay friend. My goodness, it’s like a badge of honor for some kids!

Sure you’re depressed. You are defying the natural law. You are choosing to indugle your disordered desires over the stability of your family, friends, Church, etc.

It is a hard life because it is a lifestyle at complete odds with natural law, God’s law, biology, tradition, culture, etc.

By the way, this is one of the most popular myths the gay activists put forth. Educate yourself.

leaderu.com/jhs/labarbera.html

Children,Children God in divine power wrote the LAWS GAY is breaking HIS LAW If you break his LAW your wrong PERIOD.
rich, poor,young,old,clergy,worshiper,begger.anyone…Iam not gay
never had any tendency,Iam no expert on the subject.But Iam an expert on scripture and studied many religions around the world don’t care which law you brake the bottom line is you broke it.The law is by GOD.The penalty is Hell but while we are breakers and have time, grace we can overcome our sins and do our best.One Day grace will end.Going to Church praying,doing all you can,has brought change to many in the law breaking area of Gods Law.But the first step is confession to God or admit you broke His Law tell Him.Incloset or out if its stealing,cheating,homosexual,lies,whatever the sin.Ive visited prisons talked to murderers one told me the same line God made me this way?After several years prayer,study,this mean,hard man
burst into tears,He changed 360 degrees.God woke him up,broke his delusion’s you talk about in community didn’t you.His community prison among many Iam sure are worse than yours
God answered.Oh his prior life was terrible,born from a hooker on drugs,dad was who ever knocked on the door at night.Seen his mom OD and die while a man robbed his innocents at age 9.GOD answered HIM!!!woke him up, destroyed his guilt!! Forgave him!!
saved him!!!Fixed the wounds of yesterday!!!He answered him,I cried ,the correction officer cried,other inmates watching cried.20years later he still preaches in folsom,prison.So your defense of wrong is nothing new your GOD MADE ME THIS WAY Ive heard from the best of them.Just like pot heads heyman God made the weed ant nothing wrong with it.Its like talking to the same demon
all over again.Its the same thing over the years.samelines.And the same stages.Gods LAW never changed,niether has the breakers lines.Ill Pray for you and your community freedom.
I LOVE THE SINNER BUT HATE THE SIN:thumbsup: GOD BLESS YOU

 

[blackstrad2]

Alright Alright Alright
So this is a very touchy subject. Is it a choice, is it not a choice…ok so.
I honestly do believe that some people are born that way. People that have never had such inclination toward the opposite sex and thought they were normal until they found out that a boy and a girl are ‘supposed’ to be together. I know some people like that, so I mean, i dunno, I think it would be near impossible to make them unfeel something theyve had their entire lives. So gay dudes on here, is this you?
I also do think that homosexuality is also A CHOICE!!!
Why you may ask when I just kinda said it wasnt above?
Because I am living with a SSA. It sucks. A lot. The most depressing thing thats ever happened to me. BUT!!! What throws a twist into this is that it only started…about 3 months ago. About the last week of high school ( I just graduated). I had been completely heterosexual for the better part of 17 years of my life. I mean I had never had an inclination or thoughts or tendency or anything for my entire life. I had looked at a guy and seen the attractiveness of him, and how a girl could find him attractive, but I myself had never actually been attracted to a dude. I had even talked to gay people about their experiences and spent the night in the same place as them and had never thought anything of it because I couldnt relate to anything they had been through. Even though I had never been in a serious relationship with a girl, and had contstantly been turning down girls, i had legitimate reasons and stilll fantasized and was completely attracted to girls.
But
Something clicked. I dont know what it was. Maybe cuz i was working out a lot and eventually looking at so many guys and myself made something happen…? Maybe its just spontaneous? Maybe it was just subconcious my entire life…? I have no idea. But it happened. I mean im still attracted to girls, but I also have a SSA now. Its weird how something like that can just happen upon you like nothing. But with this happening to me, I can sometimes feel and completely understand what ‘gay’ people describe in their experiences in life. Its very strange for me, I had a totally normal life, never molested or anything, never been through anything physically tramautic like that, completely hetero for over 17 years. Been in close corners with dudes, never felt a twinge of gayness. Then boom. Outta nowhere it happens.
So my point is this. I could very easily choose to be gay right now. The attraction is there (i think), but what keeps me going is still an attraction to girls, as well as remembering those nights where I had always imagined myself with a woman. And, of course, God.
So I have made my choice. No matter how real this is to me (I’m still young and going to UCLA so idk what or how my feelings will change), I CHOOSE to NEVER act upon these feelings. Im content being alone with God.
So yea. There are homosexual priests you know. Someone as holy as a priest, can still be homosexual. IT HAPPENS!!!
So some people are born that way. And others SSA occurs for another reason later in their lives.
So people who never have had a SSA in their entire lives, seriously, go pray to God for that never happening to you. It is such a blessing. But I must take my SSA as a blessing and use it to make me a better person for a bigger reason I will hopefully find out soon enough. Maybe im supposed to be chaste and single. Or even a priest. I dont know.
So yea. Unless you were born this way, or never had any inclination or intimate thoughts of the opposite sex, IT IS DEFINITELY A CHOICE!!!
And please pray for my situation. And that I’ll pull out of it. Thank you very much.

 

[StandUp4Truth]

Choose to or not, what does it really matter? We’re all in agreement about the Church’s teachings against acting on homosexual feelings, so why can’t we all just get along?

My wife and I knew many homosexuals in college, and I truly believe that they did not choose to be attracted to their own sex(just my opinion). The only real choice involved in homesexuality is the choice to act on it or not. God bless all of you who are struggling with SSA, because you truly have a heavy cross to bear.

As someone who is very active in psychological research, I can assure you that there are no definitive findings either way. Almost all of the studies claiming to prove anything about the origins of homosexual behavior are too flawed to be widely accepted within the academic community. Either way, what does it matter?

We’re all God’s children and He taught us to love one another.

 

[sonoflife1]

Luke 6:37 says - Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned!

Anyways, now in terms of homosexuality…

For those who still think it is a choice… My goodness, get out of lolly land and face it… Homosexuality is NOT a choice!! Science has proven it over and over.

I mean come on now… Do you guys honestly think someone would choose to be gay, and to have their entire family hate them now, have half their friends hate them, and be made fun of? I mean come on now… Whoever honestly thinks that is a choice… G-d help you, because you have serious problems if you think someone would choose such.

Sex outside of marriage is a sin…

But two loving guys, who just go out, and have no sex… Not a problem, IMO.

If someone is gay, that is fine with me. It is between them and G-d… Not my place to condemn them or judge.

CONCERNING JUDGEING OTHERS:THE LORD SAID,dont share sup with who?How do we tell a faults profit from a real one?and if his fruit is not what I have told u or the angels have told you you are to what?flee So dont be fooled.God did teach us to judge others and first remove the beem out of your own eye before you what?judge who?How do we find a church, friends,haung with the right crowd?or enforce Gods written Laws?What is lukes whole story?HIS message is how can a sinner tell anther sinner not to do something when he does the sin himself.Like if we both smoke
but I tell you Ill help u quit and how messed up you are for smoking.
The lesson is you must be wise,you must be saved,you must not judge from your own heart but from Gods.If two people have same problem then you must get help from someone who dont.confussed yet??Two unsaved people that never read the Bible heard about getting saved.One thinks hes better than the other vise versa.well to settle the problem they go to church because there both blind to the word of God Thus its impossible
for them to save one anther THE BLIND LEADING THE BLIND
So when you learn right from wrong,Gods people are taught to judge the way God perscibed,with concern,love,compassion,understanding,THUS LOVE THE SINNER HATE THE SIN.Often churches grab a paragrah here or there and fail to explain the whole messege.Yes you can judge others by what fruit they bare or the good thats in them but first know whats just,whats within GODS WRITTEN LAW and be a rock of strenghth be wise be a bearer of good fruit. GOD BLESS

 

[sonoflife1]

Choose to or not, what does it really matter? We’re all in agreement about the Church’s teachings against acting on homosexual feelings, so why can’t we all just get along?

My wife and I knew many homosexuals in college, and I truly believe that they did not choose to be attracted to their own sex(just my opinion). The only real choice involved in homesexuality is the choice to act on it or not. God bless all of you who are struggling with SSA, because you truly have a heavy cross to bear.

As someone who is very active in psychological research, I can assure you that there are no definitive findings either way. Almost all of the studies claiming to prove anything about the origins of homosexual behavior are too flawed to be widely accepted within the academic community. Either way, what does it matter?

We’re all God’s children and He taught us to love one another.

Thats right no proof also theres no physical brain abnormalitys,no gene disorders,no chemical imbalances.I agree
mostly with you.All you Id like you to see (because I noticed Your
a study-er)is look at the qualifications for partial possession.And talk to a couple exorcists.Tell me what you find out.I think youll come to conclude The samething Iam thinking.That is if homosexals are honest in stating no control ,strong urge,but I dont want to be this way.Or God made me??ARDMORE GOD BLESS

 

[sonoflife1]

Alright Alright Alright
So this is a very touchy subject. Is it a choice, is it not a choice…ok so.
I honestly do believe that some people are born that way. People that have never had such inclination toward the opposite sex and thought they were normal until they found out that a boy and a girl are ‘supposed’ to be together. I know some people like that, so I mean, i dunno, I think it would be near impossible to make them unfeel something theyve had their entire lives. So gay dudes on here, is this you?
I also do think that homosexuality is also A CHOICE!!!
Why you may ask when I just kinda said it wasnt above?
Because I am living with a SSA. It sucks. A lot. The most depressing thing thats ever happened to me. BUT!!! What throws a twist into this is that it only started…about 3 months ago. About the last week of high school ( I just graduated). I had been completely heterosexual for the better part of 17 years of my life. I mean I had never had an inclination or thoughts or tendency or anything for my entire life. I had looked at a guy and seen the attractiveness of him, and how a girl could find him attractive, but I myself had never actually been attracted to a dude. I had even talked to gay people about their experiences and spent the night in the same place as them and had never thought anything of it because I couldnt relate to anything they had been through. Even though I had never been in a serious relationship with a girl, and had contstantly been turning down girls, i had legitimate reasons and stilll fantasized and was completely attracted to girls.
But
Something clicked. I dont know what it was. Maybe cuz i was working out a lot and eventually looking at so many guys and myself made something happen…? Maybe its just spontaneous? Maybe it was just subconcious my entire life…? I have no idea. But it happened. I mean im still attracted to girls, but I also have a SSA now. Its weird how something like that can just happen upon you like nothing. But with this happening to me, I can sometimes feel and completely understand what ‘gay’ people describe in their experiences in life. Its very strange for me, I had a totally normal life, never molested or anything, never been through anything physically tramautic like that, completely hetero for over 17 years. Been in close corners with dudes, never felt a twinge of gayness. Then boom. Outta nowhere it happens.
So my point is this. I could very easily choose to be gay right now. The attraction is there (i think), but what keeps me going is still an attraction to girls, as well as remembering those nights where I had always imagined myself with a woman. And, of course, God.
So I have made my choice. No matter how real this is to me (I’m still young and going to UCLA so idk what or how my feelings will change), I CHOOSE to NEVER act upon these feelings. Im content being alone with God.
So yea. There are homosexual priests you know. Someone as holy as a priest, can still be homosexual. IT HAPPENS!!!
So some people are born that way. And others SSA occurs for another reason later in their lives.
So people who never have had a SSA in their entire lives, seriously, go pray to God for that never happening to you. It is such a blessing. But I must take my SSA as a blessing and use it to make me a better person for a bigger reason I will hopefully find out soon enough. Maybe im supposed to be chaste and single. Or even a priest. I dont know.
So yea. Unless you were born this way, or never had any inclination or intimate thoughts of the opposite sex, IT IS DEFINITELY A CHOICE!!!
And please pray for my situation. And that I’ll pull out of it. Thank you very much.

THANK YOU,ILL PRAY FOR YOU
ILL PRAY FOR YOUR FREEDOM FROM SATANS BONDAGE
YOULL WIN NEVER GIVE UP! GOD BLESS YOU:thumbsup:

 

[Miserissima]

The acts are the mortal sins not being homosexual because the person cannot control their attraction.

Huzzah! Methinks sonoflife1 isn’t familiar with the CCC. Who cares if “cannot control” in this context is either by nature or nurture? Also, there are enough heterosexual folks who “cannot control” their desires, as well. Good on you, Jart, for a succinct answer.

My English is always in layman’s terms could write it in Hebrew or Greek or Latin which AM better versed.

You remind me of another erudite scholar names Charles Taze Russell. He, too, was fluent in ancient languages. How are you coming along in Aramaic?

judge who?How do we find a church, friends,haung with the right crowd?or enforce Gods written Laws?
…Often churches grab a paragrah here or there and fail to explain the whole messege.Yes you can judge others by what fruit they bare or the good thats in them but first know whats just,whats within GODS WRITTEN LAW and be a rock of strenghth be wise be a bearer of good fruit. GOD BLESS

You have a lot of good questions in your last post, sonoflife1. All of which are already answered in the online archives of This Rock as well as here in these forums, so I won’t waste your time.

But, thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God’s Law. I try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. I am inferring that you do not believe literally in the Eucharist as in John 6. So I will ask a few more questions and hopefully elicit some thoughtful answers from you.

When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination. That settles the argument.

I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some other elements of God’s Laws and how to follow them:

1. Leviticus 25:44 states that I may possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can’t I own Canadians? Or, why can’t Mexicans or Canadians own Americans?
2. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21: 7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?
3. I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her menstrual cycle (Lev.15: 19-24). The problem is how do I tell? I have tried asking, but my wife takes offense.
4. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord (Lev.1: 9). The problem is with my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them? And does this apply to barbecuing on an outdoor grill?
5. I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself, or should I ask the police to do it?
6. A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination (Lev. 11:10), it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don’t agree. Can you settle this? Are there ‘degrees’ of abomination?
7. Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear glasses for astigmatism. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle-room here?
8. Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev. 19:27. How should they die?
9. I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?
10. My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev. 19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them (Lev. 24:10-16)? Couldn’t we just burn them to death at a private family affair, like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws (Lev. 20:14)?

I know you have studied these things extensively and thus enjoy considerable expertise in such matters, being well versed in Greek and Hebrew, so I am confident you can help. Thank you again for reminding us that God’s word is eternal and unchanging.

blackstrad2, On a less jocular note, I’ll be praying for your situation…I’ll pray for your personal peace, your acceptance of self and others, and perseverance in your path to holiness. Your struggles definitely put you closer to the Lord. Please, also, pray for us.

 

[mike_sieber]

I wonder if those who think their SSA is a blessing would also say that those who are attracted to children are equally blessed.

I’d bet that pedophiles would say they were ‘born’ that way, but most people would say it’s a disorder, which is what homosexuality used to be. Now it’s celebrated as being normal and just another way people can love each other. I just wonder how long it’s going to be before adult/child ‘love’ is accepted as being normal.

I think that it’s important to understand that having a SSA is not a sin. You are not going to hell for being gay. However, the line is crossed when you act on it.

And it’s not just sex either. Some people claim they were born killers. Maybe they were. Maybe they were made that way by abuse. Maybe it’s a little of both. But having the temptation to do wrong isn’t a sin. We’re all tempted, but it’s our choice whether we give in or not.

And I’d be wary of anyone who interprets scripture for themselves. We can read into scripture virtually anything we want. That’s why our Lord left us a teaching Church.

 

[mike_sieber]

Oh, and as far as masturbation goes, if you read the Catechism you’ll find that masturbation is a sin that’s not always mortal. A child who engages in the practice might not be aware that he/she is doing wrong. Therefore it’s not mortal.

It’s best to speak to your confessor on this. He should be able to better determine your culpability.

 

[Scottgun]

Oh, and as far as masturbation goes, if you read the Catechism you’ll find that masturbation is a sin that’s not always mortal. A child who engages in the practice might not be aware that he/she is doing wrong. Therefore it’s not mortal.

It’s best to speak to your confessor on this. He should be able to better determine your culpability.

You are right in the sense that whether we lose sanctifying grace (mortal sin) depends on our culpability, I’ll emphasize that masturbation is always a grave wrong.

For the it’s-a-choice crowd, I’ll point out that I’ve had sexual desire for a woman. I have yet to experience my hand involuntarily unzipping my pants and touching her inappropriately.

 

[Scottgun]

To those who attempt the Leviticus-against-itself ploy, I say they ought to stop because this has been thouroughly refuted and frankly displays a colossal ignorance of Scripture and how OT law works. See : tektonics.org/lp/lev18.html