GAYS and masterbation are mortal sins

[guanophore]

Every heard of a group called “Dignity?” It is a Catholic homosexual group, that has groups at MANY Churches. This group has not been like ex communicated or anything.

The Church does not excommunicate “groups” but people. I have heard of Dignity,and in one local parish, am aware that the priests and deacons welcome active homosexual couples at communion both privately at Dignity masses, and during the regular parish masses.

I have been “propagandized & indoctrinated” by my interpretation of the Bible.

Then you are on very thin ice, french. If you are willing, you would benefit by submitting yourself to the interpretation of the bible according to the magesterium of the church, rather than your own private interpretation. It is the magesterium that has been promised with infallibility, not private interpreters.

But homosexuals have support groups and such because it is HARD for one to live being gay.

We all have our crosses to bear, and of course they are hard. Your cross is no worse than the one Jesus had to carry. Of course you need support, but you need it from a source that espouses what the Church teaches, rather than a source that promotes a sinful lifestyle.

You see all these support groups and such… But do you ever see about people getting beat up, teachers personally discriminating, etc?

Actually I do.

If it’s a choice, then why wouldn’t I just choose to change?

Your orientation may not be a choice. There is a possibility that you were born this way. However, you have a choice about how you will conduct yourself.

 

[Koru]

I believe the Church stated at one point (I can’t recall where) that if you are homosexual, then you are called to a life of celibacy.

Don’t quote me on this, because I’m not 100% sure where I read this.

 

[Transformer]

My my my Transformer, a bit judgemental aren’t we?

Belittling wording doesn’t add anything constructive to a discussion; posting as if talking to a young kid won’t help anyone with seeking truth.

A mortal sin has to meet three criteria, it must be of a serious nature, and granted, same gender sex meets that criteria, the sinner must have FULL KNOWLEDGE of the nature of the sin and assent to the sin freely…and there in mitigation of sin might begin.

This is right, and unless I misspoke in my earlier post, it’s exactly what I said.

Masturbation…well, the sin in masturbation is not “spilling your seend on the ground”…you’re refering there to the sin of Onan found in Genesis 38:8…Onan’s sin was not that he “spilled his seed on the ground” it was that he disobeyed God by not giving children to his brother’s widow because he wanted to inherit his brother’s property. The same standard of the three rules for mortal sin apply here as with all sin.

No, I am not talking about the sin of Onan; I am talking about masturbation. To be honest, while the New Advent article seems to prove unequivocally that Onan’s sin is not merely disobedience, I don’t really care what Onan’s sin was. The idea that masturbation is not immoral if it isn’t explicitly condemned somewhere in scripture in nonsense.

Recommendation, STOP being so judgemental…remember what Christ told us…the story about trying to remember a speck of dust from our brother’s eye while all the time we have a great log in our own…if you approach people gently and humbly (humility was spoken of in last Sunday’s gospel) you might win over your brother and help them find Christ.

I do not claim to know other people’s hearts or their culpability for their sins. I do claim that masturbation is objectively and always evil.

Keep in mind, too, that if a person isn’t fully responsible for his sin of masturbation, it still isn’t any less evil. Other than the fact that the act wouldn’t cut the man off from totally from sanctifying grace, it is still just as destructive. I have heard individuals claim before that if a person’s responisbility for his sin is lessened by lack of full knowledge or consent, the act is “Ok.” It is never Ok. It is still just as evil and destructive as if he were fully culpable. It’s just less his fault in this particular case.

God bless.

 

[redbird444]

lol

Are you seriously saying that you can be “Gay” (homosexual) without performing homosexual acts? I believe the term for that is closet-homosexual. To be “Gay” means sexual relations with those of the same sex.

I’m not sure how you can even make this a question. Gays are mortal sinners.

To answer your question, lol, YES, I AM seriously saying a person can be gay without performing homosexual acts!!!

Many are chaste.

What is so unbelievable about that? I suppose you can’t be heterosexual without committing heterosexual acts?

Come on, theist. Why the disbelief in such a simple concept?

How many active priests do you know have SSA? A lot more than you think. BUT, they choose not to act on it. ( most don’t … but we won’t go there)

To further illustrate the point, how many married couples are there who love each other and are devoted to each other who do not have sex with each other anymore? Doesn’t the church state sex is for procreation only? Well, that leaves the senior citizens to playing bingo on saturday night, eh?

To be gay means to have same sex attraction.

It sounds like another argument over terminology. Love is not confined to “insert tab A into slot B”. And it’s not a sin until a person willingly gives in to temptation.

Why do you end your post with "GAYS are mortal sinners. I have news for you. Heterosexuals are mortal sinners too.

 

[guanophore]

lol

Are you seriously saying that you can be “Gay” (homosexual) without performing homosexual acts? I believe the term for that is closet-homosexual. To be “Gay” means sexual relations with those of the same sex.

I’m not sure how you can even make this a question. Gays are mortal sinners.

Clearly you are misinformed about the nature of human sexuality, Theist. Being homosexual just means that a person has attractions to persons of the same gender. Not all homosexual persons act out on their attractions. Some choose a “straight” lifestyle, and get married and have children in spite of their desires (or in addition to giving in to them, in some cases). Some answer the Church’s call to the celibate life.

Having attraction is not a mortal sin, any more than it might be for a young man to be attracted to an unmarried young lady. What he does with his attraction is another matter.

 

[guanophore]

The way I see it, if you refer to yourself as “gay” or “homosexual”… you are not, by existing and by calling yourself as such, a sinner; it is by the acts done BY those who call themselves as such that bring judgement from God who sees one as a person who commits the sins that defines the defining noun.

Unfortunately your personal opinion does not agree with the teaching of the Church in this matter.

Murderer = defines that you have murdered and/or do murder
Homosexual = defines that you have had homosexual relations and/or do commit the acts therein (or desire homosexual relations)

Scripture often does not make a distinction between behavior and inner experience. However, we know a lot more about psychology now than the writers of the Bible. We know that human beings have a very broad range of sexual inclinations, desires, attractions, and dreams. none of these, in and of itself, constitutes a mortal sin.

Homosexuality and masturbation are sins due to the LUST that defines them. Both, lustful acts that are against what the Lord God wants from us.

The quotes will come or has come from others participating in this issue already… It is too late for me to search for exact quotes and teachings.

God Bless,
~Cole

Both of these activities can occur without lust.

 

[RichP]

To further illustrate the point, how many married couples are there who love each other and are devoted to each other who do not have sex with each other anymore? Doesn’t the church state sex is for procreation only? Well, that leaves the senior citizens to playing bingo on saturday night, eh?

Where do you get the idea that the Church states that sex is for procreation ONLY? It is so much more than that, even for senior citizens! Sex within marriage is a true image of God’s free, total, faithful, and fruitful love for us. I recommend you read The Theology of the Body for a better understanding of marriage and sex.

Also, just as persons with SSA are called to chastity, married people are called to chastity within their vocation as well. If for some reason a spouse does not want sexual relations or can not perform sexually, a dispensation is not granted to the other spouse to obtain sexual relief through masturbation, prostitution, or adultery. They are called to remain chaste.

I hope this helps!

Peace!