So you want people to be gay? Don’t want to give another theory a try? So one twin was heterosuxual and the other a bit off key? Even identical twins have different emotional takes on relationships, environment etc. Apparently the twins weren’t identical if you are saying genes cause homosexuality.I grew up with two guys, identical twins. Both had the same father.
One is gay, the other heterosexual.
Your priests opinion is nothing but massive fail.
Friends along with the Mennonites and Brethren believe in non-resistance when faced with violence (turn to him the other also…if any compels you to carry…go the second mile…love your enemies…do good to those who dispitefully use you…)
Good points…at least to learn by…It seems to me that when natural law is ignored, life becomes worth less…chances are we slide farther into the devaluation of life, morals and decay.
I am just commenting that the way you pose your values, you make it seem like they are not strong enough to stand on their own merits.
If that day comes, please just get out of the way.
And who is going to pay you to save your own life?
The way I pose my values? Values, you either have them or you don’t. Some things cannot be compromised or at least should not be. If you think that our society can continue to retreat on Christian values in places such as church and school and in our neighborhoods I really wonder. Our Children are constantly being dipped in the type of filth that some seem to think we should just shrug our shoulders and say “Well they are just going to have to live with it”… Why? Why do we have to allow their values to be superior to Catholic ethics and morals? What if we refuse to allow our values to be silent? What I think will happen is that Priest and Parents will be charged with some type of biased based law or regulation… laugh if you want but I think the time is coming where Christians will be told to conform to secular beliefs and NOT to teach their children any biased ideas against homosexuals or face charges. These calls for acceptance will come from all the “Lovely people” not recognizing the damage that this acceptance will have with our kids…vary sad. Which side will you take? A secular side or a Catholic side. Should we be forced to Accept this behavior?
Good for you…my marriage will also not be impacted by the conduct of a gay couple at least not on the level of my wife and I. However if my children are required by law or regulation to live next to, associate with, and are forced to witness that lifestyle that could affect my family and therefore my marriage. It may not directly impact my marriage accept through the changes it will have on my children and the children of others or the community at large.
I don’t think I said anything that would even hint at this…twisting…always twisting. Sometimes I wonder at the jumps people on these forums make. I can say “when I stand outside in the rain, without an umbrella I get wet”, and someone will make a comment about how what I said could not possibly be true with regards to the living conditions of Japanese living in Yokosuka? Yes…got it right, roger, wilco… really funny.
What ever…you are truly not thinking of the general degradation of values. The constant attack and pounding that Catholic morals and ethics are facing. The new world religions of TOTAL acceptance of all sin as personal choice is NOT in accordance with the catholic church that I attend. The CCC is pretty clear. You can say what you want, but I personally believe that if you take all the morals and values that the Catholic Church teaches out of your daily life it is really hard to say that you are Catholic. How can people that practice or accept all these other non catholic beliefs be catholic. It would be as if a Catholic did hourly prayers, did not accept Jesus, said “Their is no other God but Allah and Mohamed was his prophet” believe in Jihad, reject the Eucharist, but stridently claim they are Catholics.
And, like so many others, you are blind to the reality that one of your kids could be the very homosexual you want nothing to do with. I know you don’t believe that’s possible, but my parents didn’t believe so either.
What about the homosexuals who aren’t sinning? What should we do about them?
I would never be so naive. It is possible that this could happen and if it does I will love my child. However just because I love my child would not make me want to force their lifestyle onto other families. It would be against the natural law and as such should not be accepted behavior. Tolerated yes, celebrated no.
They may have same sex attraction but if they are not sinning, which would be hard in thought as well as deed, then they are not yet homosexual. I believe that we should pray for all people because we are all sinners. My whole point of view is that open acceptance of this behavior is wrong. That to openly accept it forces everybody to accept the behavior. It teaches youth that it is an acceptable lifestyle, which it is not an acceptable lifestyle for most people. That being said nobody should be mean or contemptuous of another. Compassion should be shown, but rejection of the sin should be allowed.
Well, they are everywhere else. But, have you considered that you are ignorant of most of the gays you encounter? They are gay, interacting with you, and you don’t even know it. How do you know who is gay and who is not? Same with your kids. They will probably grow up not caring about gays.
This is a semi valid point. When gays are in an environment that does not allow for open expression it can be true that you would never know and this arrangement is tolerable. They can live their life the way they chose without pushing it onto society as something that should be acceptable.
I am not a gay basher. I live in Key West and frankly have interactions with many gay professionals. That being said their is a percentage of the gay community that I would not want to be around and I prefer NOT to give legal protections to influence my children. I do not push my Catholic agenda onto them, why should we have to accept behavior? The whole argument about equal rights for gays to live openly practicing their religion is no different then forcing the general population to accept sharia law or any other sexual behavior. This is behavior that we are being forced to accept. This is not skin color, or age. As a society we can legislate the acceptance of behavior the question is should we. As I think about all the “Equal” protection laws I am having a really hard time understanding this. Why should Mormons not be allowed to have two wives? It is a behavior and MORE natural then homosexual behavior? I think the special laws for this behavior is wrong.
Well you do not necessarily know. Under DADT you don’t know and those that wish to practice this behavior need to make sure that they do not push it on the community.
That is the issue. I prefer to teach my children that this is disordered behavior. The new laws and schools will be teaching them that it is an acceptable life style. The government will be intruding into my families religious beliefs. At some point in time I believe that the schools and other agencies will punish parents and churches for teaching that this behavior is wrong.
Yes they are. Sinners are everywhere, thieves, liars, murderer’s and rapist. All deserve our prayers and all are children of God, but allowing open expression of these behaviors and forcing society to accept them is simply wrong to me.
Well, that is a good thing.
I don’t know how old your child/children are but I’m curious as to what lifestlye a middle school or high school child dealing with a homosexual orientation is living that is being forced upon others. For some reason, many seem to believe that one is only homosexual after they’ve acted out sexually. Is a person only heterosexual after they’ve had sex?
Let me get this straight (no pun intended), a person with same sex attraction who has a sinful sexual thought has now graduated to homosexuality? Once again, words are being redifined on this forum. When I came to this forum I was told that a “homosexual” was someone who hasn’t acted out sexually and a “gay” person was someone who had. Others like to use the term “same sex attracted”, which is a term I have never heard anywhere other than these forums. Everyone on this forum seems to define these words differently, which makes a logical discussion nearly impossible.
I couldn’t agree with you more.
And I respect your point of view. My question is why allowing gays in the military (which is quite funny considering how many of them are already serving) amounts to an acceptance of “behavior”. Those who have sex outside of marriage are allowed in the military. Those who practice birth control are allowed in the military. Does that mean that we, as Catholics, must openly accept this behavior? Are we so inept at catechising our children that they are incapable of knowing what is right and wrong? Are secular norms more powerful than the spirit of truth within us? Homosexuals just like any other persons, should be allowed to serve in the military if for no other reason than the fact that they ALREADY DO. Not all gay/homosexual/SSA people are practicing homosexual acts. I’m amazed at the fear people have when it comes to this subject. “Keep homosexuals away from my child!”, we scream. Then we pat our kids on the heads and send them off with their friends, most of whom will be having sex outside of marriage and using birth control when they do. Why do we believe our children are strong enough to face those sins and not others, especially when those sinse are so unbelievably more prevalent?
What does it mean to accept behavior? What does it mean to accept Catholic behavior? Exactly what does one do if he does not accept Catholic behavior?
I was an NCO. I’d suggest the NCO would lose the respect of his troops. They would think he was an idiot. The troops would lose confidence in the NCO and he would become a danger to the unit. They would put him in the same category as an NCO who said Blacks were monkeys.
This whole repeal-of-DADT will be a logistical nightmare. In addition to what you’ve mentioned:
Unfortunately, I think you are right there.
Has the military forced chaplains to violate they’re particular religious views in the past? I ask that question honestly, I really don’t know. I’m curious if that is a common thing chaplains have to deal with.
I totally agree with you. Sexual practice does not equal racial identity. It is true, however, that many homosexual men and women do feel that their sexual orientation isn’t something they’ve chosen. In that sense, I see the point they are trying to make. Should a celibate gay person not be allowed to serve in the military? I don’t think so. Should a non-celibate gay person not be allowed to serve in the military? I still don’t think so.
Are they proposing to change that fact? I was under the impression that bedroom behaviors, gay or straight, would still need to stay in the bedroom.
Would that have to change? I just don’t see how allowing gays to serve in the military means we, as Catholics, must condone or accept sexual acts of any kind.
What about when we ask the ones serving in the military to hide their sexuality?
My point is that once this is the LAW of the land the bases, to include the chapel and the school will have to accept open displays of this lifestyle. From the clubs to the pier. When the Navy Ball happens we will have same sex couples attending. When an orthodox couple moves on base they could be living in a home next to a same sex couple.
Accepting gay behavior (For Me) would mean that you teach your children that this is an acceptable life style choice. That society accepts and approves of it.
Nope…it is what it is…
I think you may not have read my post all the way through…Some NCO’s are currently required to live their faith, but this change may make that dedication impossible.
Our chaplains walk a fine line right now. For example, if a Catholic priest/chaplain is approached by a Wiccan, and the Wiccan asks him to help with finding a Wiccan coven, the chaplain is bound to do that. Now, the priest/chaplain doesn’t have to perform Wiccan rites, but he cannot speak against them.
No one said they cannot serve. In fact, my husband serves with people he knows are gay. No one talks about it; we don’t ask, and they don’t tell. They are good soldiers, and they do their jobs well. And they leave their sexual practices at home. And it works.
If this were true, then DADT wouldn’t need to change. Currently, they can be gay. They can have partners. They can live off-post with their partners, if they want. This isn’t about that. This is about them having acceptance like married heterosexual people. They have failed to get general acceptance of gay marriage in the civilian world (most states don’t recognize gay marriage), so now they are pushing it in the military.
It will be a problem if they make it an EO violation to say that homosexuality is wrong. What will our Catholic priests do? Or even the Protestant chaplains who don’t condone this? Will they be forbidden to tell their faithful that homosexuality is disordered? Will they be muzzled by “equal opportunity”? We don’t know…that’s the problem. No one knows how this will play out.
Where is it a right to trumpet your sexuality? Is that in the Bill of Rights, and I missed it? Why do they have to let EVERYONE know they are gay? Why can’t they just be what they are and not push it on the rest of us? No one said they can’t love someone of the same sex. No one said they can’t live with them (off-post). But that’s not enough. They want to push for marriage and being able to tell everyone, “I’m gay!”
On this, we definitely agree.
