Gays In The Military

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I wish public society in general would go back to “don’t ask, don’t tell.” People should not talk about their sex life at work. The military is work. What ever happened to the idea that a person should not kiss and tell?
 
Yep the conservative mindset is all reality and no agenda. If you believe that I’ve got a bridge for sell.
I don’t believe that either, both sides of the aisle are crooked. It seems democrats are power hungry and republicans are money hungry, not always the case but pretty consistent theme as it would seem.
 
I think it’s wrong to put sexuality at the forefront in any respect. Why is it that we can’t as a society discuss politics and religion in a public forum but it is socially acceptable to discuss private matters (such as sex and sexuality) in public.

As for gays, I respect them as people but don’t expect me to condone their sexual preference or get offended if I say they are wrong. I feel that any form of promiscuity is wrong, homosexuality is just another form of it that placates primarily to lust.
So I guess you are in favor of Gay marriage since it would decrease promiscuity.

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Its all out there and most people have experienced it in their lives, no need to beat a dead horse.

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You made an awful lot of claims that you presented as being facts. I asked you to back up all of those ’ facts’ with evidence and this is your response? :rolleyes:
 
I am VERY well aware of the impact of this on one foreign military have you seen it too? In the Royal Marines on Diego Garcia they sometimes can be found wearing dresses after 2:00am or nothing at all at the BRIT Club. They also have the habit of soliciting, in a very STRONG manner, American servicemen for sexual favors and since they are the civil authorities on the island American servicemen just need to stay away from the place, or else accept the fact that they may possibly be abused because the gays that are there are “IN THEIR FACES” since being gay is open in their service and they run the island.
Are you able to source this claim?
Those Royal Marines that find this behavior appalling, and there are many, are silenced because any word against it brands them as homophobes. It is not the nice arrangement that you suggest it is. It has empowered VERY aggressive and ugly behavior.
Ahem, source please?
Can you imagine if my four year old came to family night at the Fleet and family services center and sees two men kissing what will I be able to say to him?
Son, that’s two men kissing. They’re here with their family and they love each other, just like your mom and I love each other. 🤷
 
You made an awful lot of claims that you presented as being facts. I asked you to back up all of those ’ facts’ with evidence and this is your response? :rolleyes:
Go to into a Catholic church and pray, your answer will be there.

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I think it’s wrong to put sexuality at the forefront in any respect. Why is it that we can’t as a society discuss politics and religion in a public forum but it is socially acceptable to discuss private matters (such as sex and sexuality) in public.
If it’s against SOP to talk about your sexuality, and you do so, then you should be reprimanded. However, as per DADT, if the military finds out that you’re gay then you’re out, regardless of conduct. Does that sound fair?
As for gays, I respect them as people but don’t expect me to condone their sexual preference or get offended if I say they are wrong. I feel that any form of promiscuity is wrong, homosexuality is just another form of it that placates primarily to lust.
Did you just equate homosexuality to promiscuity? LOL 😃
Discrimination? Of course it’s discrimination. So what? The military has discriminated since day 1. They don’t allow people with all manner of medical afflictions. They don’t allow people that are too short or too tall. They don’t allow people that are too heavy or too lean. They don’t allow people with gang tattoos and gang ties. They don’t allow felons. They don’t allow people who can’t run fast enough. It’s the nature of the military to discriminate because not everyone should serve.
Right, people shouldn’t serve if they can’t perform the function of the job. In the case of gays, they can perform the function of the job. It is the weakness of others that forces these men and women out of the military, not their performance. We in the US find that kind of discrimination generally unjust. Lets pretend we’re talking about blacks in the military, then apply the quote above. In both cases, either race or sexuality, you have no control over the outcome, so why be punished for it?
Gays are about 2% of the entire population. Why should the remaining 98% have to feel uncomfortable in the place where they not only work, but must also live?
You could use that same argument for slavery, and end up in about the same place. But here’s the rebuttal, if you live in a nation that guarantees the freedom and equal rights for all under the law then you can’t discriminate unjustly, and feeling uncomfortable isn’t a good enough reason. If these soldiers are so weak as to crumble when a gay man looks at them then those people will crumble when they see a dead body or a friend get shot. These are not the people I want in the military.
I do not believe that Christians should be unkind to gays or treat them in ugly ways.
But, institutionalized discrimination is ok?
Also notice how the liberal mindset is to take away the rights of all (freedom of speech) to cater to one small segment of society.
LOL wut? First, who speaks for all liberals? Second, what free speech is being taken away, or are you making things up to be angry? No one is telling you not to hate gays, or accept gays, but I am personally saying you have to tolerate them in a work place, regardless of where that place is.
You want a look at violence and hatred, look at the gay community during the Proposition 8 rallies in California, but that never got much air time on the shame-stream media. Christians merely wanted to uphold the term marriage for a man and a woman, if a man and a man or woman and woman want to enter a civil union they can but don’t trample on marriage as it is a God-given privilege. I would make the point that all “marriage” outside of any religious community should be a civil union, especially those done by the Justice of the Peace since we are this “secular nation” that just-so-happens to be based on Christian principles and was founded with documents using language such as Creator, God and Divine Providence.
This is completely off topic and nonconstructive. Please try and stay on topic.
Because that is the liberal mindset, agendas supersede reality.
I would have thought with the recent priest pedophile scandals you would learn not to make ugly generalizations. Please try to stay on topic.
I wish public society in general would go back to “don’t ask, don’t tell.” People should not talk about their sex life at work. The military is work. What ever happened to the idea that a person should not kiss and tell?
Lets assume the kissed someone off base, off duty, but another co-worker happened to see it, and report the incident. Should that person be fired from their job?
 
STUDY FINDS GAYS DO NOT UNDERMINE CANADIAN MILITARY PERFORMANCE

palmcenter.org/press/dadt/releases/study_finds_gays_do_not_undermine_canadian_military_performance

'A new 44-page study of gays and lesbians in the Canadian military has found that after Canada’s 1992 decision to allow homosexuals to serve openly in its armed forces, military performance did not decline.

Lifting of restrictions on gay and lesbian service in the Canadian Forces has not led to any change in military performance, unit cohesion, or discipline.

Before Canada lifted its gay ban, a 1985 survey of 6,500 male soldiers found that 62% said that they would refuse to share showers, undress or sleep in the same room as a gay soldier. After the ban was lifted, follow-up studies found no increase in disciplinary, performance, recruitment, sexual misconduct, or resignation problems.’

:D:D:D:thumbsup:
 
Go to into a Catholic church and pray, your answer will be there.

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Now I know why you didn’t cite any sources! I owe you a public apology, I attributed a post to you, one that you didn’t even write. You quoted a poster and I mistakingly thought you’d written it. Sorry for the mix up.

My request is meant for the poster AliciaCL. She is author of the post in which many factual claims were made and I would really appreciate it if AliciaCL would post the source her many factual assertions.
 
Replying to Zatzat. I don’t know what you want me to reference for what you refere to as "factual assertions… My posting is about my opinion and my observations serving in the military and working with gay people as a civilian. I’m not going to cite individual courts-martial cases to you. I recall them. I read thousands of court-martial records when working as an appellate attorney. I have seen where and how men live on ships. I know the legal hair-spitting silly issues that arise in sexual harassment cases. You’ll have to me more specific. Clearly, you object or contest something I said. But I am not sure what you want me to clarify.
 
Are you able to source this claim?
Yes…me… Please go look at the photos “Around the world on my profile” I am standing with a group of officers on the Deck of the Officers Club looking out over the Indian Ocean. Another Photo is of the Barracks that are on the Island. Maybe things have changed since last year, but I doubt it. I was there for 13 months.
Ahem, source please?
Son, that’s two men kissing. They’re here with their family and they love each other, just like your mom and I love each other. 🤷

That would mean that I would have to change my moral values to agree with yours. Is this fair and compassionate for those families that do not want to accept or condone this as an acceptable lifestyle.
 
That would mean that I would have to change my moral values to agree with yours. Is this fair and compassionate for those families that do not want to accept or condone this as an acceptable lifestyle.
Why not just tell them it’s sinful and done with it :confused:
 
Lets assume the kissed someone off base, off duty, but another co-worker happened to see it, and report the incident. Should that person be fired from their job?
I think you forget people in the military are thinking human beings. People are scolded for being a tattle tale when they are kids, and they generally understand that as they become adults. More often than not, a person in that situation would not ask or tell on the co-worker if the person does not make his sexuality an issue at work.

I think the crass sense of humor shared by many in the military gives people the false impression that they hate particular groups when that is simply not the case. Those in the military are more free thinking than many citizens give them credit for.

A person is at work to work, not to be recognized as part of a particular sexual group.
 
Once DADT goes away if I were to say the above I would be reprimanded for hate speech…
If you told to a gay soldier to his face, then I would argue that’s true. If you say it to your son in a private moment I would argue it is not. Do you know what the exact army policy is regarding acceptable speech?
 
If those stories are reported accurately and they truly never spoke out about their sexuality then yes they should get their jobs back.
If you think so, then you have to do away with gays not being allowed in the military. The DADT is just policy to make sure people never hear that you’re gay, because the bigger elephant in the room is that gays aren’t allowed in the military period. That policy and DADT are two separate things. So, if you think she deserves her job back then both policies need to disappear.
 
No she wasn’t. She was officially “married” to another woman while in a job in which she is not to make her sexuality a public issue. Her “marriage” is an official part of her public record. Completing a background check, which many in the military must undergo, would have revealed the same information. It is not the same thing as someone seeing her kiss a girl at a bar. Why was she not willing to assist the police in their investigation? There is quite a bit more to that story than simply DADT.
 
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