Gays May Be Prosecuted at 2014 Olympics

[LisaA]

How many gay people are members of these groups, or have even heard of them, compared to the number of gay people who are not? More gay people are just not that concerned with politics.

True but the problem is that the minority has become the tail that wags the dog. We have a TINY minority and of that a minority that is politically active and vocal. Yet what has this tiny minority done? They have managed to redefine a public institution that has been a part of every society for millenia. Not insignificant.

They do so with the help of the Leftists who live in ivory towers and pontificate to us the great unwashed that we are bigots and H8ers because we believe in traditional marriage. This tiny minority has sued bakeries for not baking wedding cakes, B&Bs that do not want to rent a room to a same sex couple, photographers who don’t want to photograph a same sex “wedding” and I believe not long in this country (already in others) where churches will be sued for refusing to “marry” same sex couples.

Sorry meltzerboy the “tiny minority” dog don’t hunt. That dog howls at the moon until he gets what he wants. As for my gay and Lesbian friends, they are the kind that do have the live and let live approach to life. But they aren’t the problem. It appears to me the Russians have seen what’s happening in other parts of the world and are trying to stem the tide of removing gender identification from society thus normalizing abormal behavior and forcing everyone to accommodate them

Lisa

 

[Slavonic]

I expect that that’s actually the whole point.

They don’t want homosexuals forming a “community”, or to be going around demanding privileges beyond the ordinary rights of citizens that they already have. They don’t want to redefine marriage…

And that’s truly upsetting. I am also so sorry that you misunderstand LGBT people. It makes me sad.

 

[LisaA]

Population decline is a ridiculous reason. It simply rests on the silly idea that pro-gay means anti-straight. Nothing could be farther from the truth. It’s a lazy pseudo-argument for for those who hold anti-gay sentiments.

This law effectively shuts down the mechanism by which LGBT Russians could bring about positive-change in their society. It muzzles their ability to counter long-held ‘traditional’ misconceptions of LGBT people. You are correct that such social movements cannot be easily exported. The fight is one that must be fought by LGBT Russians themselves. They should be allowed to fight it. And I hope they continue to fight it despite the government’s attempt to stop them.

The "Think of the children’ sentiment is also bogus. If a child can handle knowing straight people exist, they can handle knowing LGBT people exist. The child I’d be concerned for is the child that one day, between the ages of 13-18, realizes he or she is LGBT and they are stuck in a Russia where there was no LGBT movement to make a better world for him or her.

The concern for Olympians is a minor concern, but some may wish to do something for their LGBT brethren in Russia. I, and I assume many others, are concerned not so much for visitors, but for LGBT people in Russia. Russia is there country too. They need to have the ability to stand up for themselves. To relate to your story, imagine a Christian in Saudi Arabia who had to spend his or her entire life there. Being a visitor and being a native are two different things.

A) I’m a heckua lot more concerned about women having acid thrown in their face than whether Bob and Jim can hold hands in public…this is a blip on the human rights radar.

B) Do tell us what positive change homosexuals are prevented from imparting on society? I suspect nothing more than the selfish and seemingly endless desire to make disordered behavior a publically acclaimed achievement.

Lisa

 

[holyrood]

b) None of that stuff is actually a threat to children.
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There’s plenty of evidence to suggest that being exposed to sexual ideas and concepts too early is harmful to children. Once again–feel free to talk to your own 3 or 5 year old about homosexuality. But NOBODY has a right to be exposing anyone else’s children to such things. It is simply not their decision to make.

 

[Slavonic]

A) I’m a heckua lot more concerned about women having acid thrown in their face than whether Bob and Jim can hold hands in public…this is a blip on the human rights radar.

B) Do tell us what positive change homosexuals are prevented from imparting on society? I suspect nothing more than the selfish and seemingly endless desire to make disordered behavior a publically acclaimed achievement.

A) Don’t trivialize.

B) Self-interest, not selfishness, you misunderstand. It’s not disordered.

There’s plenty of evidence to suggest that being exposed to sexual ideas and concepts too early is harmful to children. Once again–feel free to talk to your own 3 or 5 year old about homosexuality. But NOBODY has a right to be exposing anyone else’s children to such things. It is simply not their decision to make.

I’ll clarify my previous comments by saying that anything a child knows at and age appropriate level about straight people, a child can know at and age appropriate level about gay people.

 

[holyrood]

A) Don’t trivialize.

Presumably that refers to the comment about acid being thrown in women’s faces? I hardly call that trivial.

B) Self-interest, not selfishness, you misunderstand. It’s not disordered.

To simply state your opinion does not make it so.

I’ll clarify my previous comments by saying that anything a child knows at and age appropriate level about straight people, a child can know at and age appropriate level about gay people.

Thank you for the clarification. It helps a little. But the fact remains, the law addressed talking to minors about homosexuality. Please explain to me why anyone should be talking to my child about homosexuality. Why is it their place? Why is it their business? Why is it their right?

Here’s another explanation of the bill:

“the dissemination of information that aims to induce minors to develop non-traditional sexual attitudes, to see non-traditional sexual relationships as attractive, to develop the distorted notion that traditional and non-traditional sexual relationships possess the same value, or the dissemination of information on non-traditional sexual relationships that arouses interest in such relationships

Just a thought, even apart from the fact that every major world religion has taken exception to homosexual behavior, apart from the fact that it was called disordered by psychologists until they were pressured to change that stance…we discourage kids from smoking and drinking and eating too many potato chips, due to the health benefits.

Why would anyone in their right mind encourage someone to engage in behavior that clearly has some severe health risks?

 

[edwest2]

True but the problem is that the minority has become the tail that wags the dog. We have a TINY minority and of that a minority that is politically active and vocal. Yet what has this tiny minority done? They have managed to redefine a public institution that has been a part of every society for millenia. Not insignificant.

They do so with the help of the Leftists who live in ivory towers and pontificate to us the great unwashed that we are bigots and H8ers because we believe in traditional marriage. This tiny minority has sued bakeries for not baking wedding cakes, B&Bs that do not want to rent a room to a same sex couple, photographers who don’t want to photograph a same sex “wedding” and I believe not long in this country (already in others) where churches will be sued for refusing to “marry” same sex couples.

Sorry meltzerboy the “tiny minority” dog don’t hunt. That dog howls at the moon until he gets what he wants. As for my gay and Lesbian friends, they are the kind that do have the live and let live approach to life. But they aren’t the problem. It appears to me the Russians have seen what’s happening in other parts of the world and are trying to stem the tide of removing gender identification from society thus normalizing abormal behavior and forcing everyone to accommodate them

Lisa

Well said, Lisa. They have gotten the President of the United States to wag his tail and tell the country, “I think homosexuals should have the right to marry,” and politicians and corporate executives singing the same tune, and celebrities outing themselves and other self-important people saying gay sex as marriage is A-OK. The Russians are rightly horrified at what they see happening in France, England and the rest of Western Europe. You want to join the European Union then you must say, “Gay sex is OK.” Gay Marriage for the world! And then what? Just go home and live quietly? No way! We want gay adult mentors in the Boy Scouts! We want Transgenders to get their rights! We want all other sexual orientations normalized, including minor attracted persons - correctly known as pedophiles. And lots and lots and lots of sex, sex, sex. In the movies, on TV, etc.

And while we’re at it, legalize gay marriage in your state and 5 year old Jimmy gets a gay marriage storybook in his public school!! And the school is not required to tell his parents!

All the gay, lesbian and bisexual people I worked with in the past did not have the howling dog syndrome of today.

Peace,
Ed

 

[LisaA]

A) Don’t trivialize.

B) Self-interest, not selfishness, you misunderstand. It’s not disordered.

I’ll clarify my previous comments by saying that anything a child knows at and age appropriate level about straight people, a child can know at and age appropriate level about gay people.

Don’t trivialize what? That if Joe and Bob grope each other in public they may be fined? Do I think this is a significant human rights breach? No. It’s so ironic that because we have so few REAL attacks on our rights that we react in high dudgeon when some trivial activity may be restricted. There was just a report on a huge sex trafficking case with over 150 sex slaves rescued. Women in many countries, even occasionally in our own, are tortured, beaten, or even killed for minor or even trumped up infractions against Islam. Christians are being slaughtered all over the middle east, including a Syrian Priest who was beheaded recently.

And you think we should be worried that a couple of gay guys will have to leave the rainbow tee shirts in the suitcase? PUH-LEASE…

As to same sex attraction being disordered, from a strictly biological basis, it is. From a theological basis it has been deemed so and from a historical basis as well. That the attraction and more importantly the activity is disordered seems to also manifest itself in the disordered desire to make one’s sexual activity the basis for identity as well as demanding public acceptance if not congratulations. I mean truly President Obama thought it important to call and congratulate the first openly homosexual basketball player in the NBA…pathetic. How much do we know (or care) about NBA players sex lives? Why should we? Yet there seems to be this burning desire for public acclaim by announcing that we like boys instead of girls. What other sexual activity produces this crowing and self congratulation?

As to telling children about homosexual activity, this should be on a need to know. The vast majority of children are going to be normally oriented toward opposite sex relationships. There is simply no reason that all children should be told about homosexual activity on the off chance that child might have an inclination to SSA. This is not a characteristic to be nurtured and promoted as if the child showed early artistic or musical talent. Again it is the selfish and disordered approach that the homosexualist activist group insists that all should be a part of this would be private part of life.

Lisa

 

[Darryl1958]

You’ll have to prove that and explain the 24/7 gay propaganda machine.

Peace,
Ed

The 24/7 advocates of normalizing this behavior are much larger than the actual number of homosexuals.
Gay is a convenient wedge issue for a much larger drive to fundamentally change human sexuality and human sexual relations.

 

[LisaA]

The 24/7 advocates of normalizing this behavior are much larger than the actual number of homosexuals.
Gay is a convenient wedge issue for a much larger drive to fundamentally change human sexuality and human sexual relations.

exactly.

 

[Tarpeian]

How funny! It’s amazing how our MSM picks and chooses what they cover. You can have 1000000 at a Pro Life March and it barely gets a mention. But three gay activists pour vodka down the drain and every alphabet soup channel is on the spot.

Russia/Putin are clearly enjoying their ability to tweak the amatuer in the White House. This is just another way of slaughtering another of Obama’s sacred cows. They are laughing at us…

Lisa

You hit it out of the park!

God Bless,
Tarpeian

 

[meltzerboy]

True but the problem is that the minority has become the tail that wags the dog. We have a TINY minority and of that a minority that is politically active and vocal. Yet what has this tiny minority done? They have managed to redefine a public institution that has been a part of every society for millenia. Not insignificant.

They do so with the help of the Leftists who live in ivory towers and pontificate to us the great unwashed that we are bigots and H8ers because we believe in traditional marriage. This tiny minority has sued bakeries for not baking wedding cakes, B&Bs that do not want to rent a room to a same sex couple, photographers who don’t want to photograph a same sex “wedding” and I believe not long in this country (already in others) where churches will be sued for refusing to “marry” same sex couples.

Sorry meltzerboy the “tiny minority” dog don’t hunt. That dog howls at the moon until he gets what he wants. As for my gay and Lesbian friends, they are the kind that do have the live and let live approach to life. But they aren’t the problem. It appears to me the Russians have seen what’s happening in other parts of the world and are trying to stem the tide of removing gender identification from society thus normalizing abormal behavior and forcing everyone to accommodate them

Lisa

For the record, I do side with the bakers, B&Bs, photographers, and adoption agencies. In this litigation, I’m curious whether gay activists and liberals are winning many of their cases? I’ll grant you that, like herbal supplements, the tiny minority can at times pack a punch, or, as you say, lapsing into Clintonese, ‘that dog don’t hunt.’ I suppose you would include the repeal of the “don’t ask, don’t tell” military policy and the BSA changes as backward steps as well, whereas I see these changes as steps forward. In any case, you don’t have to be a prophet to realize it’s going to be a rocky road in the years to come as different group interests clash, in this case those of religious and gay advocates. This kind of confrontation is generally the case when social norms begin to shift due to activists’ demands. It’s nothing new in our country, and perhaps we never fully recover from all the changes, but we do eventually adapt as best we can. It seems to me there’s no turning the clock back on a whole host of social changes, which are not limited to gay issues.

 

[Tarpeian]

For starters let’s, look at the whole paragraph.

See, it’s about ‘protecting children’ in name only because: a) It actually criminalizes any public identification of LGBT identity or action any that lead anyone to conclude a person is of LGBT identity and, b) None of that stuff is actually a threat to children.

Yes it does because it shuts down the mechanism by which LGBT have achieved rights in the rest of the world. They’ve done though coming out, through protests, through organizing, through banding together, through pride parades and through lobbying and legislative action. All of that is now severely hindered in Russia.

 

[Tarpeian]

For starters let’s, look at the whole paragraph.

See, it’s about ‘protecting children’ in name only because: a) It actually criminalizes any public identification of LGBT identity or action any that lead anyone to conclude a person is of LGBT identity and, b) None of that stuff is actually a threat to children.

Yes it does because it shuts down the mechanism by which LGBT have achieved rights in the rest of the world. They’ve done though coming out, through protests, through organizing, through banding together, through pride parades and through lobbying and legislative action. All of that is now severely hindered in Russia.

The “mechanism” was mass deceptive marketing by the homosexual movement using the media to advance its goals. It encouraged acceptance of homosexuality based on intimidation, lies and half truths. Do the people who advocate this in the name of “gay” rights really believe that the ends justify the means, even if the means are evil and abusive? If it is impossible to convince people of the “goodness” of homosexuality without lying about it, have you really convinced them? Why must they engage in this type of deception if homosexual behavior can stand on it’s own merits?

It’s simply because it can’t. Homosexual behavior causes the practitioners of it to live vastly shorter lives, facilitates the spread of STDs through the rampant promiscuity amongst male homosexuals, causes horrible illnesses, and leads to higher rates of suicide, drug abuse, and alcohol abuse. I’m wondering what’s so “gay” about that? The rainbow mafia wants to redefine sexual morality and browbeat everyone into submission to accept their deviant acts. There is nothing “gay” about two guys sodomizing each other. It’s a sick behavior that should not be encouraged by society. People like that need help, not promotion and acceptance.

And just as predicted, pedophiles are now using the same deception to have God’s little ones!

lifesitenews.com/news/pedophile-support-group-seeks-truth-and-dignity-want-same-rights-as-homosex/

The only “bigots” are the homosexual activists and their cronies in the media who constantly hurl out terms like “homophobia”, “bigot”, just because someone finds their behavior repugnant. And the moment you demonstrate this Truth with nothing but Love, you are no longer considered “NICE”.

Pax Christi,
Tarpeian

 

[spartan_cop]

Honestly, I am glad Russia is doing this. At least one country has the cojones to stand up against these bullies wanting to brainwash us into accepting their natural lifestyle as something normal. Don’t let them deceive you these people will attack like a pit-bull if you even hint that you disagree with their lifestyle.

 

[holyrood]

And just as predicted, pedophiles are now using the same deception to have God’s little ones!

lifesitenews.com/news/pedophile-support-group-seeks-truth-and-dignity-want-same-rights-as-homosex/

So much gold in your post I’d like to respond to, Tarpeian, but I’m going to stick with the link and quote here from that page, because it’s so vitally important that people SEE this:

The following was taken from the Principles and Practices page of a group called B4U-ACT. This ought to be chilling, and I find it particularly appalling when held up against a person here who keeps insisting there’s no ‘logical’ connection.

… We see minor-attracted people as whole human beings, not as dangerous criminals or “deviants.”

… We recognize the severe** stigma directed against minor-attracted people by the media, politicians, law enforcement officials, and some mental health professionals. We oppose the perpetuation of false stereotypes and the use of language that instills fear **in the public, fails to promote understanding, and ignores the humanity of minor-attracted people.

… Providers have an obligation to offer and engage in **continuing education **and professional growth activities on an ongoing basis in order to promote and develop a more accurate understanding of individuals who are sexually attracted to minors and to improve services for them. Such activities should **challenge popular stereotypes **rather than reinforce them, and portray the full humanity of minor-attracted people.

And will we one day have businesses and vacation plans catering toward child moles…excuse me ‘minor-attracted people?’

The scary thing is, this is all STRAIGHT OUT OF THE PLAY BOOK. Word for word. This is exactly where we’re headed, if something doesn’t change.

 

[jmcrae]

I’ll clarify my previous comments by saying that anything a child knows at and age appropriate level about straight people, a child can know at and age appropriate level about gay people.

And it should never be made to seem “normal” or “an equal but alternate lifestyle.”

As children come to understand what homosexuality is, it should be reinforced that this is abnormal behavior; that loving Christian people do not abuse one another in this manner - that it is a selfish, hedonistic activity that produces nothing of value to the family or to society, and indeed can often be a source of public disease.

 

[Trigonometric]

Self-interest, not selfishness, you misunderstand. It’s not disordered.

Really? Catechism of the Catholic Church 2357 states (bolding mine)

Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity, tradition has always declared that **“homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered.” **They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved.

I understand where you’re coming from, and I understand that you feel if we come across as too unfriendly to homosexuals we may not be able to evangelize them. However, while we may need to present the Gospel message to homosexuals in a way different than how we ordinarily present it, we cannot compromise on basic truths, especially when it risks the spiritual well-being of children.

 

[Corki]

See, it’s about ‘protecting children’ in name only because: a) It actually criminalizes any public identification of LGBT identity or action any that lead anyone to conclude a person is of LGBT identity and, b) None of that stuff is actually a threat to children.

Shielding children from public expressions of disordered attraction IS protecting children. Physical abuse is not the only danger to children.

Yes it does because it shuts down the mechanism by which LGBT have achieved rights in the rest of the world. They’ve done though coming out, through protests, through organizing, through banding together, through pride parades and through lobbying and legislative action. All of that is now severely hindered in Russia.

Good!! Perhaps Russia has noticed that so-called calls for tolerance soon lead to demands for total acceptance and the destruction of public morals. They seem to want to take a “nip it in the bud” approach and that’s a valid one. The methods used in those other countries certainly didn’t work. Why not try the Russian way?

 

[Corki]

I’ll clarify my previous comments by saying that anything a child knows at and age appropriate level about straight people, a child can know at and age appropriate level about gay people.

Absolutely not. Children should always learn about the good in any situation before the twisted or evil variations. You don’t teach kids about parents who beat their kids at the same time you teach them about loving parents. You don’t teach them about injecting heroine at the same time you teach them that it’s good to take medicine your doctor prescribes. And you don’t teach them about disordered sexuality at the same time you introduce them to the beauty of God’s plan for human sexuality.

Not only is it immoral but it makes no sense from a psychological or child development perspective. Children must understand what makes something right before they can truly understand why the other versions are wrong. Otherwise it all gets lumped together.